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Hi !

So, here's the feedback :

I had my bike back 2 weeks ago. Battery check was ok and the bike had been set up to date.
I rode it smoothly (usually in a city, and a couple of miles at 65-70 mph).
I put 75 miles on it that way, 28 % left on the dash.

Yesterday, it was a day off, so I decided to drive it till it reaches 0 %. As 28 % were left, I decided to begin my ride on a speedway at 70 mph for 8 miles. The dash went wrong because it was stuck at 28 % for 5-6 miles. I decided to exit the highway, and then, the SOC began to rise down (25% to 0% for 5 or 6 miles !). I decided to park it safely because I was 10 miles away from home.

To day, I got it back. I rode around my block 6 more miles untill it was dead ( I had a 2 % recovery at a stop, by the way).

Conclusion :

good :

- No battery injury (from what the dealer said), wich seems to be confirmed by the 94 miles I put on it with a single charge (similar to what I was able to ride when I got the bike, three years ago).
- The bike is usable at low SOC. Best improvement ever ! There is enough torque to ride it safely. I guess that the speed is limited (can't test it, because i was in a city).

bad :

- Even if there's no SOC drop anymore (directly 13 % to 0 % as I experienced before). The last 25 % shown are not reliable... Maybe the bike has to complete several charge/discharge cycles to get some kind of calibration ?...

By the way, I've changed the clock battery in the dash and the "EEE" error at startup disapeared


Thanks for your help/support !

Djihatch
 

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My bike is at the dealer's. Maybe some news tomorrow.
My bike showed EEE on the dash on "key on" for a few seconds.
I remember reading somewhere that it was only the dash clock battery that has failed... Ans the clock still shows 00:00 from this first happen.
The dealer tells me that this happens when there is a BMS problem.

As a clock battery costs a couple of bucks and a BMS costs... A lot more ! I'd be more than happy to have your opinion about that !

Thanks a lot !

Djihatch

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Hello,

@Manzanita : I've never experienced a recovery on the display when I was parked. You re bike being dead at 11 % before firmware upgrade seems similar to my situation.
My firmware is not up to date. At the time, I choose it that way because, according to what was written on this forum, it was not reliable. Someone here told that he wouldn't put a firmware that may contain bugs on a bike that you can ride at 90 mph... I agreed ! Now it may be the right time to make that upgrade.
Yes, the 0-20 % battery capacity may or may have not never existed as I never go under 20 % and that the dash is not reliable...

@ESokoloff,Richard230,Shadow : Yes, I think that upgrading firmware is now mandatory. If the cost of a battery check at the dealer's is fair, I'll do it, if not, I'll upgrade, and use a wattmeter for a first check.

Thanks to you all.

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Yes, I know...
On the 2015 SR manual, they claim that the battery could lasts 300 000 miles or so. I only put 10 000 on mine (3 % of what Zero claims in their manual...).
I really hope that it's only a software issue, but the facts are that I can't ride as long as I use to... So I really worry about it.

If the dealer's battery check says that I've only lost, let's say, 15 % of the capacity, I'm ok with that. We all know that capacity decreases with years. I was aware of that. But If I'm told that my battery begins to fail, I will consider that I've been fooled (300 000 miles advertise + the fact that the SOC shown on the dash was wrong, preventing me to detect that my battery was failing while it was always under warranty).

Well, as we say here "Don't cry before you get hurt", maybe my dealer will announce me that's nothing at all (hope is free for now ;-) ).

Thank you !

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Sorry for the misunderstanding : When I say that "I never let the battery at 100 %", I mean that, once the battery is charged at 100 % and balanced, I ride it the day after and I never store it, more than one day or two, at 100%.

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Hi,

Thank you,

I never fast charge. And never let the battery at 100 %. Usually, I charge it when SOC is around 30 %. I let it plugged all night long so, and ride the day after. I guess that it has enough time to have the cells well balanced.
On the logs, the cut off appeared when the battery pack was at 93-94 V wich is (if I'm right) the lower value that can be used. So I guess this is not a balance problem, but a capacity one.

Thanks for your post.

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Thanks to you both.

Yes, I hope I'll get more info after the "real" battery check.

The use of a wattmeter is a good idea also. Even if it's not as accurate as dealer's test, I think it'll give me a good idea of my battery capacity.


Thanks for the advice.

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Hi everybody,
First of all, thanks to everyone here. It's always a pleasure to read posts, very interesting.

I have a 2015 SR (great bike, very happy with it). I got the charger replaced a few years ago.

I use it to commute (a couple of miles a day) and, once a month, I go see my parents (75 miles trip at 40-70 mph). Depending on the weather (winter/summer/rain...). I usually adjust the speed to keep 20 % battery left at arrival.

3 days ago, I had to be fast (by fast, I mean legal top speed, but not EV friendly), and I reached 23 % SOC while I was at 12 miles from my goal. Then problems began : My top speed had been reduced to 55 mph,  At 18 %, 30 mph with praticaly no torque. and then the SOC dropped suddenly from 13% to 0 and the bike stopped.

I was 5 miles from home and someone had to pick me up. Fortunately kind people let me charge during the night and I get the bike fully charged the day after.

I asked Zero and they told me that it was really disturbing. They also told me that logs from the app wouldn't be enough and that I have to send the bike to my dealer to get usable logs. I'll do it (the specialized Zero bike mechanic will be back on thuesday, I'll call him to get an appointement).
I also asked Zero about the warranty (the bike is from 06/2015, less than a year out of warranty, I know...) : They just answered me "you re bike and the battery pack are out of warranty". OK... I get it...
I answered that my bike had only 10 K miles wich is far from the 300 k miles lifetime advertised. No answer from them.

I've seen second hand deals around 7000 $ for a 2015 SR. Considering a battery replacement (6000 $, if I'm not wrong), that means that, if I want to sell my bike with a new battery, I can only expect do get like 1500-2000 $ back at the end of the process...

I'm really disapointed and scared because if the battery is dead My bike value had been decreased of 9000 - 9500 $ in three years (I bought it 11 000 $ in 2018).

I was aware that battery capacity would decrease slowly, and I was ok with that (I got an electric car too). But, this is not a game : I feel like Zero tells me "Too bad for you... Only 10 monthes too late. Bad luck ! Good bye, have an ice day" like I've been playing some kind of Win or Miss game.

I've watched the logs and It appears that, at 13% SOC, the battery was at its lower voltage limit. I feel fooled, because, as I never reach SOC lower than 20-25 %, I've never seen that the SOC was wrong (20 % displayed means that the "real" SOC is around 5 %). If the SOC displayed was accurate, I would have noticed sooner (when warranty was not over !), and I would have dropped it to my dealer for abattery check...


I really hope that my battery is fine, and I'll let you know, but physics law are what they are and if I suddenly can't reach the end of a trip that I made regularly, I think there is something really wrong...


I live in Europe (France). Any help or advice will be very appreciated.

Thank you !



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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR 2015 Showa fork ring seal
« on: June 10, 2020, 12:04:33 PM »
OK, I'll give this a try.

Thank you again !

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR 2015 Showa fork ring seal
« on: June 10, 2020, 05:16:07 AM »
Thank you,

I can read that there is only wipers without seals in the package... Am I reading it wrong ?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: SR 2015 Showa fork ring seal
« on: June 10, 2020, 12:43:16 AM »
Thanks !

I already read it but I thought thath it was only for FX bikes. Great to know that the process is the same... So thank you again.

If anybody is kind enough to give me ring seal dimensions...

Have a nice day.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / SR 2015 Showa fork ring seal
« on: June 09, 2020, 02:54:09 AM »
Hello !

I have an oil leak on my left fork part. To make it short, I usually service this kind of things myself but, this time I really don't want to do it...
I've searched a lot to find ring seal size for that fork, but no way to find it (and Zero didn't answered me at all).
I want my local dealer (wich is not zero) to repair it but as the SR is not in database, he can't order the ring seals.
I guess that those parts are common so someone would be kind enough to give me the inner and outer diameter and also the height of this seal ?

And, if you don't mind, I have another question : If I have to refill the fork, if it takes too long to get my bike repaired, do I have to unscrew directly the caps on the top of the fork or do I have to release the "Pre-Strain" bolts (red ones on the top of the fork) and then remove the caps ?

Thanks I lot for your help. I'm stuck with this leaking problem...

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Hi everyone,

I promised to come back for fresh news, so...

Ignition lock disassemled and cleaned (there was a bit of moisture in it, less than I expected in fact). I cleaned it with a soft metal brush. The small metal pads sealed in the white plastic case (where the contact is made when the copper part slides on it) where moving (so not really sealed in fact). they are allowed to turn, maybe to avoid stress in wires ???
Anyway, everythings ok now...

The bad news is that I had a traction loss today and a fall (rainy weather)... It hurted but nothings broken (on me ;-) ), a few hundreds dollars for the bike. That's life (and a good warning for secure riding).

Thanks to you all and take care.

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The bike has a nice cover (with metal frame, very usefull). But I think I really need to check DC-DC converter and ignition lock before a total breakdown. I'll let you know.

Thanks !

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You're right but I ain't got a garage... My wife really loves me, but she isn't ready yet to get a motorbike in the middle of her living room  ;D ;D ;D

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