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Messages - keith burton

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Coming to the end of a property refurb so if the funds allow treat myself to a new DS and ride it and enjoy it. You guys know the market better. 18kwh with pan Diginow chargers, panniers, topbox, drop bars, extra lights, better seat, fairing if available in the UK. I will get onto it.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: October 31, 2018, 03:10:38 AM »
I would strongly advise you not to use the 2012 battery as they were recalled due to the potential to catch fire. Vibration caused wear to the cell pouches allowing in moisture. Newer batteries are set in Epoxy resin to combat this. Many of us would be tempted to create a cheap bike/cart ? but it is not worth the risk.

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Seller got back to me eventually to say it is sold. My funds a bit tight at the moment. Really can only hope on comes up for sale in the UK. I do not think I am willing to pay for a new 2019 18kwh with 3 diginows in a new pan at a cost of £20,000 with uncertainty of the quality, back up, dealer network. Heck of a price compared to a Tesla! No seats, bodywork, windows etc. battery a fraction of a Tesla's capacity yet car costs £30,000. I loved my brief Zero ownership and know if I ride a new 11kw DS that I can ride on my CBT beginners licence I will very much want one. I am just so concerned of the forums tales of bad customer care, Zeros attitude to customers, dealers quitting, sudden power losses, temperature sensitivity, not liking the hot days or cold days, use of a known useless built in charger, really odd manufacture system of making a years run then shutting down production, very high insurance costs in the UK, I do not know who is going to come into the market from the big manufacturers but it is going to very soon. 11kw DS with 18kwh and diginows £10,000 buy all day long, they could sell 10000 plus a year in the UK alone. £13,000 a considered buy but very realistic, £20,000 you really have to want one, commute everyday on one, spare cash for a great toy/ plaything.

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Advertised on Autotrader for sale in the UK. I am interested to know what you think, I am unsure of its spoked wheels, came up as a DSPZ 11.4 but now has 12.5 battery,saying registered 2016 just wonder how old it could be. I understand battery having been replaced as may have been faulty. If 2015 or newer motor/frame are they a good bike ? Very rare for used Zeros to come up for sale in the UK. They are dearer in the UK than the states. 3500 miles on the clock. Your opinions/ knowledge would be appreciated as I am a potential buyer. Briefly owned a 2012ZF9 before their recall. Saving on a new bike is very good for me as really a commuter bike during the week.

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My local dealer tells me there is a DS 11kw available for £9190 at the moment with the 7.2kwh battery and a few with the 14.4kwh batteries. There was recently a DS 11kw on Ebay on a 2017 plate but only six months old at the time with the 6.5kwh battery with 150 miles on it for £5000. I keep thinking I need the full 18kwh batteries but that makes a bike £18000 or so. I am thinking like many Zero owners of an ICE bike for longer journeys and a light nimble Zero for commute and fun. I am riding a KTM Duke 125 at the moment but I miss my 2012 Zero. I love no noise/gears/plug and play. 2019 I am told will be the same spec as 2018 only a colour change. Be great to hear real world distances for 7.2kwh bikes. I fear my 20 plus stone (290 pounds) 6'2" frame and eager riding will result in 35 mile max safe round trip? 2012 9kwh Zero S did 40 miles round trips but I never found out how much was in reserve still.

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I wish to buy a DS 11kw which is a EU and UK bike with lower power for learner riders who only have a CBT in the UK. The 7.2 listed as 31hp the 14.4 as 59hp. I want to use this as a commute bike so the lighter by 40 kilos 7.2 would have the range I need and gets a storage cubby due to the half size battery. Top speed listed as the same, I think gearing different. Can anyone let me know if they have the same motor/controller/power/performance.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: June 15, 2018, 07:05:22 PM »
My payment has gone into my account today 15th June. I can now start looking for an ICE 125cc to learn on and probably take my A class test, which the refund will pay for. I then could get a DSR but I have a house refurb to pay for first. Here in the rural UK charge points are few and far between. Can I ask how other 2012 owners are fairing, if they have been happy with the deal and how Zero have handled their cases.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: June 13, 2018, 01:55:26 AM »
Can any of you tell me if it has taken over the 15 days stated in the recall to obtain your payments. EU Zero told me my payment was processed on the 22nd of May and not got anything yet 21 days later. I would be grateful to hear if you have got your payments or not. Its been too long without a bike now. Many thanks Keith.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 03, 2018, 07:42:45 AM »
Can anyone confirm what Terry has heard and received their letters yet. I hope its true they used the KBB value and $6000 is correct, that's only what I was posting on here for. I got some negative comments for doing so but I have only been lobbying for a fair deal. I only pointed out the KBB value and asking prices before the recall. I fear in the UK there are no used Zeros for sale at the moment as they are rare over here. I have had no contact from Zero yet and need to replace my bike ASAP. If anyone can confirm the offer and inform the refund timescale I would be very grateful.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: May 01, 2018, 12:00:57 AM »
I am reluctant to post to much and stir up things again. I had a telephone call from Danny vanderHorst of Zero EU on the evening of the thermal event but have had no contact from Zero USA in all the time since. I know nothing of the offer and am as eager as yourself as I used my bike as my primary means of transport. I had hoped it was to be a cheap means to get around in the rural location I live in. Hopefully someone Stateside gets a letter today and posts on here or facebook. I need to get it sorted ASAP as I need another bike for transport everyday. I fear I will not be able to get another Zero on my limited funds. I eagerly await news.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 30, 2018, 10:23:33 PM »
I hope so, not heard anything in the UK and its 17.20 here on the 30th. I have to assume you will hear before we Brits do. I am eagerly awaiting news.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 20, 2018, 08:28:35 PM »
Put the word out as of 13.15 GMT here in the UK my 2012 ZF9 caught alight whilst I was riding it. Sunny day here I went to shop then all hell broke loose. Please all do not be tempted to ride this was a serious fire almost immediatly. It must have to do with the first sunny day. Please I have contacted Zero can any of you do so also for me.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:23:20 AM »
Emailed Chris this morning I will await a reply.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:13:58 AM »
Terry you keep on downplaying the value of a 2012 Zero, are you linked to the Zero company in some way. I will be realistic in my expectations but this is not a sale situation. This is a company recall of an entire years production due to a major production flaw. I do not know the final figures have been decided yet and feel you have too much of an interest in using your stature in the community to lower our expectations. There are no used Zeros for sale in the UK its a tiny market over here. There is no way I would be selling my 2012 as it is in mint condition not a mark on it, never dropped, immaculate wheels, runs perfectly. I can only have an 11kw Zero in the UK on L plates as I am a new rider on a CBT ( learners permit  sort of thing only allowed 125cc ) I will go again would you trade your dog in for a newer puppy. My 2012 is as powerful a bike as I want just had Givi panniers/ topbox, Puig  screen, 12v supply, new tyres, LED running lights and rear shock 6000 miles it would have lasted me years. We will get what we get but I resent you banging on about how little they are worth. I have copies of other 2012 for sale the day of the recall announcement $7,500 Austin Texas, $6,900 Mountain View, CA, $6,500 Ellenton, FL. The bike you are referring to is not new it has 4175 miles on it is a ZF6 not a ZF9 like mine and was on sale from Ottumwa, IA. Go and tell your buddies back at Zero that was the askig prices of Zero 2012 on the day of the announcement that they cocked up and learned they could not make a safe vehicle. If you want to keep putting down the 2012 models or have a vested interest in doing so at least get your facts right. I am not a farmer but I can smell BS.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 Zeros Recalled!
« on: April 19, 2018, 09:16:37 PM »
Problem is with the way the cells have been fitted not the cells. Zero had millions invested according to the media and surely have a good profit on their bikes prices. I am not looking to gain I just do not want to get shafted or other Zero riders. I am sorry but if you sell a motorcycle you have to sell a product that will not endanger the life of the user. All you on here leaping to Zeros defence where is the company spokesperson following these discussions and informing us of what is being done. I have not seen one comment from Zero in the media/ online forums. I think insider favourites are being nudged to put across Zeros side and put a positive spin on things. Zero sold defective goods that could quite realistically cost lives. It is your government body that made them act. Enough with the pro Zero point of view I have a bike I cannot use costing me money and they have not let us know what is happening. Issue the letters and refund offer ASAP. Five year battery warranty! 300000 miles life! Build us a new battery to fit in the battery case and I am one happy man as long as it happened quickly. You are the largest manufacturing country in the world. Look at the amazing things your country can accomplish. Zero making  out their bikes are hightec  and the future keep your eye on the quality and basis also. Please! Whinging Pom having a rant as it is a free world. Again I only ask to be kept informed, action occurs ASAP and a fair compensation for the loss of my Pristine bike with only 6000 miles on it.

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