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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: April 28, 2018, 05:42:49 PM »
Are you an interested buyer, or just an internet expert who likes to speculate and throw hate around?   Based on your username and the multiple instances of conjecture in your post, I'm going to assume you are the type of person who thinks his brand or choice is the only valid one and that everyone else is an idiot for choosing something else.   I get it. That comes across clearly in your post.

Since you are such an interested buyer, what type of video would satisfy you? I'm guessing none, but go ahead and enlighten me.   The bike had some minor cosmetic damage. I have completely detailed the few pieces that were replaced in an earlier post.   If you don't believe what is in that post, then you are just calling me a liar.  That's fine, this is the internet and lots of people like yourself hide behind the keyboard and pretend to be experts. I've been in the motorcycle industry for 18 years, and have performed quite a few forensic inspections on vehicles in the power sports industry for insurance companies, owners, prospective buyers, etc.   

If anyone actually is interested, I can take whatever pictures or video are requested.  If you are just on here to make yourself feel better about your life choices by degrading or insulting other people, their abilities, and their knowledge, then move along.   I am not going to get into a character debate with a total stranger.   Come by my shop, come look at in person like an adult, or speak with me like an adult.  If you aren't able to do that, why are you even here? You're just using up bandwidth.

   

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: April 28, 2018, 01:59:56 AM »
Owner wants this gone!   Dropped the price in the original listing to $16,995.  As configured this one is still over $32,000 brand new.

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: February 01, 2018, 07:47:06 PM »
No.  They salted the roads and I refuse to take this out on the roads until the salt has been completely washed away. 

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: February 01, 2018, 06:40:36 AM »


You will probably need to drop it further.

They're $24,900 brand new right now.
http://configurator.energicamotorusa.com/start/EO


thanks,

I used the configurator and it came up to $31,737.20  as configured since they have the Fast charger and Sport Map free right now as a promotion. Add another $500-$800 for shipping depending on your location and this one has a charger included as well.

I'll happily entertain reasonable offers.


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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: January 31, 2018, 11:44:24 AM »
The price has been dropped in the initial post.  Now asking $24,000

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: November 22, 2017, 10:50:55 AM »
I forgot to mention, I may have determined the probable cause of the damage.

The right grip was torn pretty badly. It looks like the type of damage I have seen before when a canyon dancer is used or when a shipper uses the grips as a tie down point straight down to the pallet.   Also, when I received the bike the clip ons were set at 180 degrees (9 and 3 o'clock) instead of the proper 8 and 4 positions, so when you tried to turn the bars to the left the front brake would engage against the upper cowl.   It is possible that a shipper/driver was rolling the bike and had the wheel lock up when turning left, which would explain the pattern of the damage.

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: November 22, 2017, 10:41:26 AM »
Hmm.   I'm not sure why I didn't get notification of these posts.   

-> turbotortuga -   you are the second person to make reference to this bike having "fallen off" the shipping truck.  Can you please elaborate as to what you saw?

I have the bike in my possession, and after 17 years in the motorcycle industry I can guarantee that it didn't fall off a truck.   It never even fell over all the way.  Pegs, turn signals, lower body components, outermost body points, etc. are all perfect.  Based on a detailed inspection of the bike, it is obvious that it fell over until the seat/"fuel shelter"  where they meet impacted a piece of wood which stopped the fall from going any further. I suspect it was the edge of a crate since it damaged the bike at its narrowest point without ever hitting any of the contact points farther from the centerline.  The direction of damage indicates that this happened when the bike fell to the left, and was stopped at approximately 30 degrees.  At that point someone used the mirrors as grab points, and straightened the bike, breaking the right mirror off in the process.   The mirror base was bent in the wrong direction, and on the wrong side of the bike,  to have been from the fall.   The top of the brake lever and the top of the bar end weight both had a almost imperceptible scratch on the top of their edges, not bottom. This was most likely from the aggressive over straightening of the bike by the shipper/driver causing the bike to hit a vertical surface, most likely the wall of the truck.  There is also a one inch long scratch on the upper cowl which would have been the outermost contact point now that the mirror had been broken off, which is at the same height as the minor damage to the right rear upper cowl around the seat. There are a couple of very small scuffs on the windshield and lower carbon bodywork that you have to look at in the right light to actually see.  The coolant reservoir for the CPU shows no trace of any fluid having leaked out. The underside of the reservoir cap is even dry.   

I've had all the body work off, and performed a thorough inspection.   None of the body work was damaged enough to even touch the frame. In the pictures above, the only pieces that have been replaced are the "fuel shelter" for lack of a better word, the upper rear side cowls on both sides, the right mirror, and the seat has been repaired by adding the green vinyl to the leading edge to repair the torn area. 

This was shipped, and insured, as cargo.  It had not yet been titled at the time it was damaged so it does not have a salvage title. 

I'm not sure at what point in the process the decision was made to "total" the shipment, but it is obvious someone along the way wanted it to be totaled.  The estimate included $13,000 in shipping charges to have the bike shipped to the EGO office in San Francisco to be evaluated.  I'm not sure how they were going to ship it, but I regularly ship and receive motorcycles from around the US and the most I have ever paid was $825, from the Smoky Mountains to Seattle. I was curious so I got a freight quote  and if I sent it overnight express by UPS Freight it still wouldn't cost $6,500 each way.   I mentioned earlier that the right bar end weight had a very small scuff on it.  The repair estimate listed the complete EGO Ergal screw kit price, when in reality only one piece was needed.   The repair estimate listed the tech seat at $576, which is both the front and rear seat even though just the front seat was damaged.  In other words, the estimate may have been absurdly high.

I've done a forensic analysis of quite a few motorcycles over the years, and in some cases have found that the underlying damage was far worse than the cosmetic damage on the surface would lead you to believe, but in this case the cosmetic damage was in fact just cosmetic.   I've gone over the entire frame looking for any marks, examined all the bodywork both on the surface and also the back side of each piece looking for evidence of contact, measured the wheelbase from front to rear axles on both the left and right side, examined the forks and swing arm in detail, and have run through the on board diagnostics. I have also road tested the bike up to illegal speeds, and I can guarantee that this bike did not "get dropped off the truck".   Anyone who has seen the bike in person would think that claim is absurd.

There is still one sign of damage on the bike that we elected not to replace.   The upper edge of the carbon trim piece below the seat on the left side of the bike has a small chip in it about the size of half a quarter.   If you get down on the ground, look back up, and shine a really bright light on it you will see it but if I hadn't of told you where it was you wouldn't have found it.


I'll get a video or two posted in the next few days. Thanksgiving is coming up and I am in the middle of selling a house but I'll find the time to make a video. The bike runs well, rides straight, and the acceleration is very addictive. I've driven a Tesla, and this feels faster. I've also ridden everything from a Ruckus to Hayabusa.   Nothing compares to the effortless and smooth application of power.



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Buy Sell Trade / Re: FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: October 16, 2017, 07:55:07 PM »
The manufacturer claims that it has a range of approximately 100 miles.   The Ego does have regenerative braking so theoretically it would have a greater range in town than on the highway.

This is the street version, with mirrors, tag holder, turn signals, etc.   It does have the optional Sport map.     There is a bluetooth app which syncs to the bike, and if your battery is getting lo you can use the menu button on the left handlebar to find the nearest charging station, and sort by available spots or charge capacity.   

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Buy Sell Trade / FS: 2017 Energica Ego
« on: August 26, 2017, 05:19:15 AM »



2017 Energica Ego - Number 69 of production. Less than 100 miles. Almost new!

Original MSRP at time of purchase was  $45,291
Current MSRP of $40,746 after Energica lowered their prices.




               2017 ENERGICA EGO w/Bluetooth

ENGINE POWER:  107 kW / 145 HP                  
TORQUE: 200 Nm/147 lb-ft  0-4500 rpm!!!!
BATTERY CAPACITY:   11.7 kWh                     
LIFE: 1200 cycles @ 80% capacity (100% DOD)

RECHARGE: 3,5 h (0-100% SOC) mode 1-2 or 3 charge, 30 min (0-85% SOC) mode 4 DC fast charge

Zero Emissions 


Base Price                                      $ 29,700

Optional Carbon Fiber                     $   1,454
Oz aluminum forged wheels            $   1,978
Ohlins rear shock                           $   1,037
Custom Ohlins front forks               $   3,197

ACCESSORIES
                      Tech seat                $      576
                      Fast Charge             $   1,728
                      Sport Map               $      504
                      Blue ERGAL bolt kit  $      273
                      120V-240V Charger $      299

Total new price                              $  40,746



Asking $29,000   Price Drop $24,000 $16,995    

Owner wants this gone.  Dropping price absurdly low.   With these options this model is still over $32,000 new.


Very small blemish on upper cowl, visible in photo. In excellent condition. Bike received minor damage in shipping. Damaged parts replaced by OEM parts from Energica.

PM me on here, or email me at "fsl at mac dot com"










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Energica / Re: Energica EGO in the Illinois area
« on: July 21, 2017, 12:37:17 AM »
yeah, first bike was totaled by the shipping company in route.  The shipping company dropped the box off the truck and still refuses to admit it. 

Hello Mousejstr,

I'm curious, did you actually witness the crate get dropped, or is this an assumption?   I'm asking because I have been asked to evaluate an Energica Ego that was cosmetically damaged in shipping en route to Chicago.  I work in the motorcycle industry and am often asked to look at damaged motorcycles from a forensic point of view and determine visible and underlying damage, evaluate the frame for trueness, verify suspension and wheels are perfect, etc. prior to their being offered for sale.    I received a white 2017 Ego with cosmetic damage on the lower left of the top shell and the rear side panel, along with a torn seat. It had come loose and leaned a little to the left side before coming up against a wooden crate, and then it would appear the the person present grabbed it by the mirrors to try to straighten it back up, effectively breaking off the mirror.   It's a common damage pattern when bikes are shipped.  I've seen this many times.   When the bike was shipped here on a pallet, the driver removed the tie downs prior to putting the side stand down, and if I hadn't of been there to catch it, I'm sure it would have fallen over.  The driver then proceeded to stand over the front wheel facing the bike, grab the mirror on one side and the remaining broken mirror mount of the other, to attempt to push the bike.   Apparently the handlebars didn't seem like an adequate grab point !   :o

I've had many many bikes delivered here, and it always amazes me how some of these trained professional drivers load and unload motorcycles. Some are obviously very skilled, while others leave a lot to be desired.   I received a KTM 690 that the trucking company parked against the wall with the side stand down, and a tie down from the right foot peg, over the seat, to the wall of the truck on the left.  The left mirror and bar end were broken, the seat was torn, and the side stand mount on the frame was bent.  When I questioned the driver he said "It's a dirt bike. It don't matter".   

I'd love to know more facts about the one you received.   Feel free to PM me.

Francois

 

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