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bad choice, the FXS is faster off the line and a lot more fun to ride.. if you can afford it.I can afford it, but not with these kind of specs and price. FXS 3.3 is faster than Duke by a whopping 0.5 seconds 0-60 mph. But it also costs around $2600 more even after all the incentives, and the range is around 100+ miles shorter. Zero is just not there yet. Maybe next time.
Let's start with type of the card and issuing bank. I don't have this card,but if you do, let me know what is it. If it's Visa, MC or Discover, it will have a PIN. Here is an example of visa gift card which I usually buy:... If it has a PIN, you can do debit transaction like buying MO. I do it on regular basis. All Visa/MC/Discover debits has a PIN. Call a number on the back of your card and set the PIN, then go to USPS or Walmart and buy a MO. It works.
Be specific, did you try this with the FreeFuelForLife card and when?
Durbin amendment to Frank - Dodd act requires all the debit cards to have PIN. This is starting Aprl1st 2013. If the card says debit on a front, it has a PIN as well. If it has a PIN, you can do debit transaction like buying MO. I do it on regular basis. All Visa/MC/Discover debits has a PIN. Call a number on the back of your card and set the PIN, then go to USPS or Walmart and buy a MO. It works.If it says debit, and it's a Visa, it will have a PIN. There is a law passed few years ago that all the debit cards Visa or MC must have PINs.Buy money order at Walmart or USPS. This card should have a PIN. If not, call a number on a back and set a PIN.
The card which I received cannot have a PIN number and says "NO CASH VALUE".
Since 2013 anti money-laundering laws went into effect it would be illegal to buy money orders with this as a form of payment. USPS certainly won't accept it. I tried many merchants and banks but not Walmart.
There is no such law in the United States. Whether a debit or credit card has a pin or not is left entirely to the issuing bank (while visa is now a public company - its largely owned and controlled by the banks). WalMart is actually suing Visa to force them to require a PIN on debit cards. The matter is still stuck in courts.
One thing to keep in mind when buying a bike is insurance cost. The Zero cost me around $11 a month . I was looking into a Yamaha fz-07 and fz-09 and the cost was around 80-90 per month. I also considered a used supermoto bike but all the 250/450 bikes out there are not meant to last without engine rebuilds every couple hundred hours. I would suggest doing a long demo ride or two to see if it fits your needs. If you still are not sure then look elsewhere . You don't want to be pushing range to the very edge or you won't enjoy riding it as much.Do you know how much is insurance for my Sym Wolf 150? Forty seven f-king dollars per year! This includes collision and comprehensive. is your BMW liability only?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car-pollute-more-than-an-suvElectric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.
This is a pure BS statement.
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Electric vehicles are not better for environment, and they pollute more than a gas ones.I decided not buy Zero for now. There are three problems I see with this:
1. High price. I can buy much better gas bike for the same money.
2. Short range
3. Poor resale value.
I may buy used if I'll find a decent deal, but most likely I'll go for used bike, either Suzuki DR-Z400SM, Honda CB300F, Kawasaki Ninja 300, KTM Duke 390.
Most of us EV riders faced your listed 3 factors and split the other way...
1. Affordable price
2. Long enough range
3. I'm never gonna sell it
"better gas bike" is perhaps an area for iteration. To me, there isn't a "better gas bike".
Consideration for the environment and the non-renewable nature of petroleum fuels eclipses any categorical inadequacies.
If you ask anyone who has owned gas bikes and then a Zero, you will find the fun factor is so much higher with a Zero than with other motorcycles. I would get the single module FXS for now if money is tight, and you can always get another module later. But getting a Ninja 300 over an FXS is just silly. The higher price for the FXS is worth it as you will be much happier with a grin on your face every time you twist the throttle and it silently accelerates. This is totally worth it. Why settle for a Ninja 300 and not be as happy as you could be. My last gas bike was a YZF-R1, and I would always choose to ride the Zero. Just more fun all the time.Actually I test rode R1, and didn't like it, my Buell 1125CR was much better than R1. FXS is also nice, but not at the same league as a Buell.
Yugi I would also say get the 6.5 believe me you WILL want to ride this bike more than just 5 miles. The Zero specs show the 3.3 has half the horse power so it will affect the over all feel of your ride. But the two biggest reasons are money from the tax credit and money on the resale.For 6.5 I'll need to pay $12961, and I'll get back $250 more, so after all the rebates it's gonna be $10311. No, this is out of question, too expensive, and I think that resale value of these bikes is junk anyway, regardless of the capacity. I'd rather buy a used DRZ or a new Ninja 300 instead. I can hardly justify spending $7800 on 3.3.
You can add another brick later but they will be at least a little out of balance and the longer you wait the worse it would be. The tax credit is a % of your total purchase cost so get as much as you can up front. Top case, hand guards if you want phone holder anything you think you might get, get it up front. One other thing it's great if you can work on your gas bikes yourself and yes it doesn't cost you as much money as a dealer would charge but you have to factor your time working on the bike as a cost. For the resale you may not "need" much range but the guy you try to sale it to might have a 40 mile each way ride it just really limits your field of buyers.
Good luck
If it says debit, and it's a Visa, it will have a PIN. There is a law passed few years ago that all the debit cards Visa or MC must have PINs.Buy money order at Walmart or USPS. This card should have a PIN. If not, call a number on a back and set a PIN.
The card which I received cannot have a PIN number and says "NO CASH VALUE".
Since 2013 anti money-laundering laws went into effect it would be illegal to buy money orders with this as a form of payment. USPS certainly won't accept it. I tried many merchants and banks but not Walmart.
How do you get real money off the bloody $1000 debit card anyways? My bank said it was declined for cash advance, and the support phone number is some script reading support farm in India. Right there in the terms provided with the card it says you will be charged a $5 fee to have the balance mailed to you as a check; The support drone says to me "Sir, that is not true, you are lying because that is not true"; I ask to be put with a manager and the drone says there is no manager, good bye, and puts me on endless hold (I gave up after 2 hours on hold of crappy music).Buy money order at Walmart or USPS. This card should have a PIN. If not, call a number on a back and set a PIN.
Super pissed off about having a $1000 credit that will expire by way of bullshit fees over time, instead of cash or an ACH compatible transfer to a checking account. The worst is that I call the support number and get some fucking script reading monkey who calls me a liar and transfers me to endless hold music.
Has anyone been able to cash out this? HOW? Thanks for any advice.
It depends on what is most important to you, some paper with a face painted on it or having a blast every time you turn a key.Yeah, that what was happening when I was riding a Buell.
For commute, I see absolutely no reason to go gas and not electric. Get the 6.5 if you can - you do not want to be emptying the battery too often and you will enjoy the added range for errands and such. Yes, the FX is expensive, you can't really justify the price with savings - it just ain't going to happen unless you ride a lot and keep the bike many years and it is trouble-free. It's the fun factor and ease of use and maintenance, but the savings I don't think will ever add-up to justify double the cost of something comparable in a gas bike.No, gas savings are not going to happen. One fill up on Sym Wolf costs around $6 and it's good for 175-185 miles of city riding. In another words, I fill up around once every 3-4 weeks
1- do itI can add another brick later, right?
2- get the 6.5, you will kick yourself later if you don't
3- stop worrying about price and instead focus on the fun!
i just rolled 1000 miles on my new FXS and have to say it was the easiest 1000 miles ever on a new bike. then you add in the speed, acceleration, low costs, no maintenance, it's exclusivity, and it's FUN level, it's a winner in my book.
laters,
laramie
