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Well, at the time hybrid auto center only offered the pouch cells as a complete module with more than 2x the number of cells I needed, so I had to pay over a thousand bucks just for that, and then split it. After that, the material costs were minimal. Now I see the retailer is offering smaller modules and even offering a new BMS with it. That looks like the way to go.

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2010 Zero X Battery rebuild with pouch cells

Hey all, I have a Zero X "Extreme" I bought new back in 2010, that had the usual badly sagging battery pack, and early this Spring, I decided to revive its usability by replacing the terrible old battery pack. I found the excellent posts by DoctorBass, and by iSurgeon, which led me to hybrid auto center's online store and valuable discussion with them, which led me to discover a newly available alternative to the Nissan Leaf cells, and with them I was able to build my new pack, hooray! Then life came up (baby), and I was delayed in posting my results or doing testing. I'm finally getting around to posting it, though I still haven't had time to make a nice tutorial, or for that matter to do proper testing on the build. In fact I wouldn't call it 100% done, as I'm not sure I want to stay with the wooden spacer parts that were really just supposed to be temporary mock-ups, and I still have threaded rod ends sticking out the sides a little bit. But the main thing is, it works! The bike feels much, much zippier and it charges up fine with the existing charger and reused Zero BMS.
The most amazing part is how perfectly these pouches fit into the battery compartment of the X. And with the perfect amount of space for the BMS to fit in too. One thing to note, ye builders, is that pouch cells like to be enclosed so they can't puff up, thus the threaded rods and the big metal plates to compress the cells. Other than that it's just a lot of fiddling and careful building. Ideally, I would add more sensors and monitoring of the cells next. Failure modes are worthy of consideration and prevention. Another issue is that the Zero BMS is optimized to extend the life of the LiFePO packs by reducing the depth of their cycling in order to get more cycles. So upgrading the BMS starts to look attractive as well. And of course the Zero BMS had the undesirable 'feature' of destroying the battery pack if it is not kept connected to a live charger; woe be to them that doesn't notice the charger was left unplugged.
Ok, gotta run. But to get it started, here is a link to the photo album:

https://goo.gl/photos/f8c7cXvsdZHfFGSq5

and these are the links to hybrid auto center:

http://hybridautocenter.com/HAC4/
http://stores.ebay.com/Hybrid-car-parts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
This looks a lot like they are ready produce new battery packs for the older zeros:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lithium-Li-Ion-48V-53Ah-BMS-Car-Golf-Cart-Pack-Battery-Upgrade-EV-2-6kWh-/252404762857

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Need to make an addition/correction to my reply so I'm not propagating bad information: on further examination I am less certain that my two BMS's are bad. I pulled the known good BMS from the pack that's still working and put it on the pack I'm building and got the same result that I did with the suspect BMS, failure to charge. And vice versa put the suspect BMS on the 'good' zero pack and at first blush it appears to function, in that the charger sees the pack and goes into charging mode.

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Hey David, one thing to look out for with picking up a dead battery for a rebuild is that the battery might have gone dead because its BMS died. I have 3(!) 2010 batteries, two of which 'died' and won't charge. I presumed the cells had failed and I could salvage the BMS to build a new pack. Lo and behold, I discover the donor BMS is a brick, apparently--doesn't light up, and charger doesn't see the new battery pack. I have another donor to disassemble, but am guessing it will be the same. So it's time to look at getting a new BMS from somewhere, and my awesome little project just got significantly more complicated. Good luck.

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New member here. Thanks to the info in this forum I am placing a battery order with Hybrid Auto Center in Las Vegas. Due to weight my order has to ship freight and there is room for more stuff within the same shipping rate tier. So if anyone would like to add to the order and pick up from me in Palo Alto, Calif, you are invited. I want to get this order completed this week, so let me know ASAP, ideally today or tomorrow.

http://hybridautocenter.com/
and
http://stores.ebay.com/Hybrid-car-parts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

And thanks to DocBass for the ref to hybrid auto center.

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