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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 28, 2016, 09:34:42 AM »
   I got a PM and so stopped here for what will probably be the last time. The Zero is now sold, and I have a 2009 Leaf cell-converted Vectrix VX-1 that I can actually ride, knock on wood. The dealership I bought the bike from is Elk Grove Powersports in Stockton (I think) Ca. They ended up refunding, at my request, the $387 dealer prep fee and have promised to also refund the $450 freight fee (after I complained to Zero), to make up for my possible shipping costs to have it fixed. (The bike wasn't sold at that point.) The second check hasn't arrived yet. I estimate my loss on the bike, not counting $900+ in sales tax, to be about $3k. Keep in mind when replying that I won't be reading it. I would like to offer another bit or two of advice, though: never expect a vehicle dealership to buy a vehicle back from you unless they are forced to do so by a "Lemon Law," because that just doesn't happen. And, of course, don't buy a Zero unless you live near a dealership that works on them - preferably two, as there is a significant amount of dealer turnover. Tomorrow I install a backrest on the VX-1, while the SR's new owner struggles to arrange to get the bike repaired...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 13, 2016, 04:15:49 AM »
    If those of you asking why I haven't "brought the bike to a dealer" yet can't be bothered to read why, or can't understand the logistics of the dealers being 120+ miles away and me not initially knowing which of them actually do good warranty work (or any warranty work at all), I'll not waste any more time explaining it. Yes, it might be a "slam dunk" to get a refund, *if* Zero or either of the dealers who have seen the logs would confirm the multiple errors and resets, but they seem more inclined to protect the dealership by saying as little as possible. I am going to contact both Zero and the dealership that sold it again before selling the bike, but it seems people here have little real world experience with American car and motorcycle dealerships. As for my posting frequency, I'm usually responding to other posts. I don't think I need to limit that for the benefit of a few fanboys, but I'm pretty much finished with the bike now, so I guess that applies to this site as well. Thanks to the two or three guys who actually helped. To the rest of you, well, I guess I just wish you all the luck with your bikes that I've had with mine.      ;-)

   Bonkers just slipped in with a post. Gee, thanks for the insinuation about my mental health. What you wrote about me physically is correct. I did, however, "pick up the phone" about this, and Zero's response wasn't "We'll get right on that!" It was "We don't generally deal with customers directly." Anyway, if I do post again here, it will just be to name the dealer who sold me the bike again, if they give me the brush-off, more for the benefit more of future members here than anything else.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 12, 2016, 10:41:22 AM »
I hear you Leftie and for what it's worth, I'm sorry to hear it has worked out so badly.

   And I appreciate your assistance and support.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 11, 2016, 05:55:30 PM »
   After having a Zero rep tell me, on the phone, that they don't diagnose the bikes, just get a  copy of the logs, and the dealer diagnoses/fixes them, I asked the local dealership about this. I was told that it just isn't true, that only Zero interprets the logs, and uses them to instruct the dealers on what to do, if the issue shows in the logs. I don't know if this was a deliberate lie to me by Zero or just a badly-trained Rep, but I'm currently in the last stages of negotiating to sell the SR, taking a Vectrix (a bike I previously thought of as too unreliable) in trade. I hope the deal goes through; if not, I'll get the bike fixed, and sell it ASAP. Having dealt with, first, an apparently crooked dealership, then Zero ignoring me for weeks, then being told a "fib" by them, I want nothing further to do with this company or this motorcycle. I've been riding since 1972, and this is the worst experience I've had with any of the roughly 16 motorcycles I've owned. If the bike cost $5k I'd be annoyed. At the current ridiculous prices, I'm going to tell anyone who asks, that only people who live next to a Zero dealership and who can afford to flush $17k down the toilet without blinking should own a Zero. It would probably also be very helpful if they aren't much interested in riding the bike, just in displaying it as "garage art."

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   You guys do understand that the most efficient way to ride is by coasting when possible, right? Regenerative braking wastes at least 50% of the energy available as waste heat. Coasting with little or no regen is best for all but stop and go or 'stop and slow' riding. If you are adding all that regen to make use of the brake less necessary, that I understand. If you are trying for range, I suggest you try 0%-10% throttle regen.

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   I paid about $1k in dealer fees. A closer dealer had quoted me a price on an SR that added about $2k in dealer fees.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 05, 2016, 09:39:20 AM »
   I'm not sure why you cropped the second half of the sentence, given the relevance, but here it is, again:

"...especially since I'd just be leaving it after a three or four hour drive, and driving back home." I am in poor health, and can't drive, for 6+ hours in one day, period.

   If you are going to make that offer, Kocho, I suggest you do it before I make arrangements to ship the bike to a dealer for repair. If anyone else wants to make me an offer on the bike, as-is, you pick it up, I have the title in hand. I'm not desperate for money, but have no enthusiasm for this bike left. If anyone wants it for the asking price of the 2014 SR for sale here, that will get it for sure.

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   75% torque, 6% regen. The bike's next owner can rest assured that I, at least never rode it at 100% torque.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: April 01, 2016, 02:45:33 PM »
   Gee, I wouldn't want to seem...obsessive, or anything.

   Brief update: Zero never got back to me, so I called them. And was told to take it to a dealership. When I explained that I needed to know *which* dealership, (and being first told that I got to pick whichever one I liked!) I was then told that the closest one to me (120miles) is very good, so I'm in touch with them. They got the logs yesterday, so I'm waiting for some assessment of them, but I know I'll have to pay to have the bike shipped there. Hauling it there myself would be too hard on me, especially since I'd just be leaving it after a three or four hour drive, and driving back home.

   I can reset the bike so the errors vanish for a little bit, so I have little doubt that this is what the dealership who sold me the bike did. If I read the BMS log correctly, they did it right before shipping it.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 22, 2016, 09:54:57 AM »
Great Bay Cycles   90 Lafayette Rd, North Hampton, NH  03862    (603) 964-4450   

This is another excellent Zero dealer IMO - they replaced my motor under warranty.  Mike in particular has extensive Zero experience. I spoke to him for quite a while about Zeros, he really knows his stuff.

For what its worth, I would choose this dealer, as experience counts for a lot.
A "can do attitude" is great, but if they don't have much experience with zeros, it could take them a bit longer to find the issue.

   Good point, and I will contact them, despite their being two states away.

EDIT:  They have gone out of business, as of 1/1/16.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 21, 2016, 02:02:07 AM »
   Thanks for the suggestion, Ray. Rockwell is probably closest to me anyway.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 20, 2016, 04:02:43 PM »
"But it should always be the customers decision which one to go to and not the factory's."

   Great, but it would be nice to be able to make an informed decision. If Zero decides it's too much trouble to tell me which NY or CT dealer 120+ miles away from me is best equipped to do substantial diagnostic and repair work for them, I will try asking the dealerships. Maybe they'll even give me an accurate answer, as opposed to 'Bring it in and we'll take a look.' I'm not betting either way.

   If anyone here knows which Zero dealer in the downstate NY / Connecticut area is best for this, I'd appreciate the info.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 20, 2016, 04:52:12 AM »
I'm not sure which dealer you bought the bike from or why you think they sold you the bike under false pretenses. You said yourself the bike was error free when you first took it for a spin. Lucky for you the bike comes with a great warranty but the longer you delay taking it to a dealer, the longer its going to take to get repaired.

As I said before, following my initial diagnosis after you emailed me the log, there's not much further diagnosis that can be done without having the bike in the shop.


   You never saw the bike's BMS log (or if you did you didn't reply after I sent it) only the other, shorter log. The BMS log is, according to MostlyBonkers, twice as long as usual. It is also full of what appear to be error reports, along with what appear to be normal startup and run cycles. I told the dealer that I needed the bike to be in perfect running condition, and they said they never let a  bike out the door any other way. If the bike has been throwing error codes since last September, and this dealership doesn't know how to do anything other than reset the BMS to clear them, well that doesn't add up well.

   I'm not sure how many ways I can put this, but I'll try once more:

   I am waiting for Zero to respond, so I can find out *where to ship the bike* for service. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars more that I can ill afford, just to find out the dealership it goes to also doesn't do anything more than add accessories and check belt and tire pressure.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 20, 2016, 01:45:21 AM »
   As I told you, Harlan, there is no dealer near me. I'd like, primarily, to have the bike picked up and the sale reversed, since I was apparently sold it under false pretenses. Failing that, I will find a way to transport the bike to a dealership, but I need Zero to tell me which of the "local" dealerships is best for warranty work, and Zero hasn't told me anything whatsoever, just about a week after I sent the logs. I don't suppose that you'd like to weigh in on the BMS log?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: 2015 SR Demo with Multiple Errors
« on: March 19, 2016, 12:13:18 PM »
   Here is what I wrote, in the General Charging Questions topic:

"I took the bike out for a ride, with fingers crossed. By about 9 miles out the 028 code was gone from the dash, leaving the 020 and 051 codes. The 020 became occasional instead of constant, so I stopped, let the bike sit a few minutes, and reset the BMS again. No flashing red BMS light, and after a minute of riding the dash also stopped showing errors. Greatly relieved, I rode another 25 miles or so. When I got home I let the bike sit for 15 minutes, plugged it in to charge...and got the 020 and 028 errors, now joined by 029, which is "BMS Isolation Danger". I unplugged the bike and left it in the garage."

   So what in the BMS log corresponds to that "Isolation Danger" 0029 code? Do you think the app terminated the "translation" before it appeared?

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