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General Discussion / Re: Newbie
« on: December 24, 2015, 02:59:39 PM »
I'm in Europe.
The nearest dealer is 350km away. Sadly I live 15m away from a race track, but not even that attracts sellers to show their products to the public.
My experience with ev was a dreadful scooter 10 or so year ago, and never again had the opportunity to try, or look at, anything else. I'm quite sure technology reached the point of being enjoyable, and I would be attracted to it, as I already am. It all comes down, as with almost everything else, to money. Can I afford it? Am I willing to part with my money for an everyday vehicle/toy/social status object/eccentricity/ need? Why do I want it/need it?
This is not the same as "should I get heating solar panels"? Which my answer is always yes. The comfort it provides vs loot run cost is not something most people can understand. I don't have them, yet, but using a fireplace I can tell that the wood chopping, carrying (drive+getting it inside), the fumes, the cleaning, all that although not expensive if you not buying wood, is both time consuming and incredible uncomfortable. (Off topic)

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie
« on: December 24, 2015, 05:44:18 AM »
Allow me to start by saying my BMW only met the BMW stealer floor once, and it was for a defective part replacement under warranty. Parts are cheaper (some) on general parts retailers and maintenance is not rocket science and can be carried out at  home, if the passion is there of course. Not a brand known for giving it's owners headaches.
Electric is the future, no point arguing about that or refuse to embrace it.
The thing here is a strictly economic view over it. The cost of these things are ridiculous. I do understand it's a fairly new technology and as everything else it's expensive because R&D has not been balanced with sales. But to my wallet, considering the differences and ignoring wear parts (tyres, bulbs, etc), an electric vehicle takes forever to cost the same as a petrol one. Ok, the greenies say what they say. I'm not one of them, I'm not gonna save the planet on my own with all the Chinese factories polluting so we can have our expensive phones or whatever we think it's fancy to have. I'm not concerned about the environment in an hypocrite way, I have trees of my own on my property and plan on planting more. That's my environmental push and don't even try to judge me on that.
Noise wise, it's great to have a silent technology, I hate 2 stroke engines so much. Can't understand how it's still legal in Europe, probably because of the Italian 2 wheel industry which thrived on those nasty engines for decades. My opinion, ban 2 strokes immediately as some US states have done.
Smoke wise, don't even start me on that. I know many owners are the ones to blame for poorly maintained vehicles, others simply can't afford a not so old car/bike, but I can feel it when riding or even driving behind some older cars mainly.
I would, or will in the future, buy an electric bike, but I already have too many expensive toys I don't use, some will appreciate in value over time and I'm not incredibly concerned about cost vs use. A bike it's not the same. I have a 20 years old bike which worth nothing. When talking about 15k€+ better make sure it gets used to justify the cost, and I'm not using it enough to justify the investment, not even if it appreciates in value, as in 30 or 40 years, or more, doesn't make a difference for me.

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie
« on: December 23, 2015, 08:19:11 PM »
You may have a look at Zero Motorcycles:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com

2015 Zero (D)S 14.560,00 €!! WHAT?  :o
2015 Zero SR 18.545,00 €! This is way beyond what i'm willing to give for a new unproven technology and it's way, way cheaper to keep my petrol bikes.


or Victory Empulse TT:
http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/electric

Victory has no electric vehicles local to me, only petrol powered and HD style. Is this not the same as the Brammo (11.970,00€ but sold out)?

If you want a Supersports Bike have a look at Energica EGO:
http://www.energicasuperbike.com/energica-ego-electric-superbike/

Energica Ego 30.750,00€! I'm speechless



If you understand german you can visit for further models:
http://de.elektromotorrad.wikia.com/wiki/Elektromotorrad_Wikia

or this overview in english:
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/electric-motorcycles-round-up.htm

Electric is not the way for me just yet.
Thank you everyone, maybe i'll came back some day. ::)

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie
« on: December 23, 2015, 07:59:46 PM »
Thank you everyone for the replies. I'll spend some time reading all the links and come back with the silly questions later.  ;D

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General Discussion / Newbie
« on: December 23, 2015, 01:45:16 AM »
Hello everyone.
I'm riding bikes long enough to know what i want, but all this new electric vehicles world is a mess atm. Everyone one wants to be the next Honda or HD of the electric bikes and i'm completely lost as the traditional manufactures are staying out of the race for now.
I've had road bikes and dirt bikes, Honda, Yamaha, Ducati... But at this point in live i'm not in the mood or shape to be pulling wheelies, jumping or exceeding the speed limit constantly. I don't want a glorified 12/24v 1KVA bicycle or scooter, i want a real bike with about or over 50HP, I'm an electrician but all this KVA applied to the road makes no sense to me as i'm also a petrol head and road means HP not KVA.
Now, the usual suspects having nothing to offer, which options are there on the European market for someone like me who is interested on a real motorcycle for commuting as no other use is possible with the current technology?

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