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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Did i kill my 16 SR with water?
« on: January 05, 2020, 02:29:13 AM »
I would just grab the logs and let the bike tell you what the fault was, in my experience all of the log lines are blissfully informative on issues.
I have had water issues on my '15 SR, but it was purely in the throttle, which is an off-the-shelf part and not really Zero's fault, but definitely did suck  >:(

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Alex's Rebuild Thread - 2014 SR
« on: July 17, 2019, 08:44:54 AM »
Nice!
If I had to recover a wreck of unknown age-since-last-charge the first thing I'd do is grab a voltage reading off the battery and then close the battery contactor and start charging the battery before it goes bad.
The bike also has a serial terminal direct to the BMS, if that helps you diagnose things.

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Let me brain dump since I'm going to eventually forget all of this

idk if they updated it since I last disassembled their android app in February 2017, but then it just downloaded onto your android device unscrambled (iirc to the storage directory so any other file explorer kind of app or any of the android debug tools should be able to read it), and even if you didn't want to grab it from an android device it was also easy to see the login pattern and grab the static authorization bearer and other expected HTTP headers to download the firmware.
e.g.
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#grab an auth token
curl -v -H "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8" -H "Authorization: Bearer <snip don't want zero yelling at me too much>" -H "User-Agent: ZeroMoto/1.0" -d '{"email":""}' -X POST https://fupdater.zeromotorcycles.com/auth/login

#grab the firmware
curl -L -O -J -v  -H "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8" -H "Authorization: Bearer <snip don't want zero yelling at me too much>" -H "User-Agent: ZeroMoto/1.0" -H 'ZeroAPIAuth: <another snip don't want zero yelling at me too much>' -X GET "https://fupdater.zeromotorcycles.com/builds?currentversion&download=1"


which if you keep unpacking gets you files like this
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75-08036-12_my17_mbb_firmware_banka_2016-10-26_160406.347.bin  75-08037-21_my17_bms_firmware_bankb_2016-10-26_155606.320.bin
75-08036-12_my17_mbb_firmware_bankb_2016-10-26_160406.347.bin  75-08118-15_zero_bootloader_2016-10-26_155428.128129a.bin
75-08037-21_my17_bms_firmware_banka_2016-10-26_155606.320.bin

The only other thing I remember being weird is they had an extra HTTP header that was a SHA-256 of the firmware tar.gz download, but it was called ZeroSha256 or something

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: External Super Quick Chargers?
« on: June 08, 2019, 03:57:47 PM »
Maybe https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Chargers#Hollywood_Electrics_Elcon_PFC_2500 ?
Though, they actually accept 120V as well just with a lower charge rate.

If you want any, there's probably a bunch of people getting rid of them for cheap who upgraded to onboard diginow superchargers. (I will be one of those people soon)

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I only really know the larger monolith batteries, but it seems likely to me that even the small fx packs also have their own bms-controlled contactors in them ( https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Contactor ) that you will have to close.
I'd also note that at least on the larger monolith batteries, the battery module also has its own serial port that you can use to monitor balance, SoC etc, without having to go through the main bike board.

I'm not sure I'd recommend using the ZF3.3 packs in a car; they're small and somewhat light, but the maximum discharge C-rating for them is probably fairly low compared to what you want in a performance car relative to the battery size. (Or, if you're trying to use the tiny ZF3.3 module as the energy storage component of a formula-1 style KERS module to dump very high spikes of regen charging, the charge C-rating is also not great on these modules)
There are plenty of other battery cell chemistries that have much better maximum charge/discharge C-ratings that you could build a pack out of that are probably better suited to the application.

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My insurance provider considers mine to be a "0cc" engine bike  ;)
Someday the world will catch up.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 22, 2019, 02:21:57 PM »
OP has the Hollywood Electric Elcon 2.5kW charger; it shows up on the MBB serial console as a recognized charger, does that mean it's okay and the BMS is still balancing etc? I guess I could examine the logs for cell voltage variance etc otherwise but I don't really want to  :-\

I didn't realize that the new diginow 2.5s were so well-integrated. It wouldn't take too much arm-twisting at all to get me to sell these elcons and switch :-)
If you don't mind a semi-off-topic question, does the v2.5 diginow solution also correctly read the j1772 pwm pulse train and do correct current limiting automatically? I don't want to screw around with setting it manually every EVSE station I come to.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:18:40 PM »
That's exactly my experience with my Elcon... I key it ON only long enough for charging to start... then key OFF, key OUT, me gone 😁

It's possible that it's doing some communication that I don't realize, but it would have to happen through the Anderson AUX, which I don't think is happening.

I imagine the middle two small low-current connectors are the canbus line :P
But yes, thank you, the bike behaves as you two described, I just didn't realize it would work correctly after cycling the key while attempting to charge.

Now to enjoy riding a few pounds of onboard charger lighter!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 21, 2019, 04:55:48 AM »
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Protections seemed to say that only works for 30 minutes, after which it opens again. Unless doing this kicks it fully into "charging mode" ?
I also need a solution that doesn't leave the key in the bike, since I use public chargers.

So you're saying all I need to do is to plug the external charger in, key the bike on, it sees that it's charging and kicks it into charge mode, and then when I key the bike off, it'll keep charging until it's done?

If so that's perfect.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / permanently bypassing onboard charger
« on: February 21, 2019, 04:17:49 AM »
Just as it seems like it's "That Time" for everyone else, my 2015 SR onboard charger killed itself this week.
It's out of warranty and the dealer quoted me ~$800 for a replacement, which I don't really want to spend on such a generally underpowered charger anyways.

I do own an external charger already. My plan is to just close the main contactor manually and solely use the external charger.
I assume other people have already done this? My questions are:
 - Will the MBB/BMS know it's being charged and correctly update its stats and go into charging mode and turn the LCD and bluetooth etc on?
 - And, will it enter "charging mode" only if I send a canbus message to have the bike close the contactor itself, or will it also correctly enter charging mode if I close it by just applying the voltage to the contactor coils manually? (since I'm lazy and it's hard for me to sniff the correct canbus messages now that my onboard charger is already dead)

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero DSR - Charging Cable
« on: October 30, 2018, 05:46:53 AM »
I assume you live in Europe or you're really off-base with your cable choice  ;D

The mennekes --> dual C19 adapter you linked is way overpowered and overpriced for your needs if all you really want to do is grab a single phase off of the Mennekes connector into a C13 connector.

If I were you, I'd probably get a [Mennekes] --> [1x C13 + 2x [C13 or C19] connectors for future quick charge adapters]; I have something similar that I use personally (mine is J1772 --> 1xC13 + 2x C19 with very different internal wiring because the united states is the worst and doesn't do 3-phase L2 AC charging).

If you are dead set on never owning any quick chargers, even a quick googling reveals tons of mennekes -> solo C13 connector plugs that are cheaper ( https://www.laadkabelfabriek.nl/product/laadkabel-type-2-male-naar-c13-apparaatstekker/ was the first one I happened to see)

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Thanks Clockfort I got my new controller yesterday and after digging into the bike a bit I threw in the towel and I'm going to let the dealer play with it.  Just too many wire connectors tiny zip ties and plastic push pin fasteners for my nerves to deal with.
My dealer agreed to just swap it out but told me they go through Zero most of the time.  I told them if the new one didn't fix it then it was on me.
Yeah, I only had the patience and nerve to do it because I'm dangerous with a label maker and now the inside of my bike is lit up like a christmas tree full of labels on every connector and terminal. (see photos)

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On a quick side note these parts going out are so dangerous to any night riding (which is what I mostly do) having two units wired together so one instantly backs up a failed one and then sends an error code but keeps the lights on would be worth looking into.

I considered something more or less the same as your bonus-12V idea, but at least in the manner I believe that my bike failed (moisture shorts the 12V system --> DC-DC converter goes into overcurrent protection mode and turns off) the backup would also fail.


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(I recently replaced my 2015 SR DC-DC 12V converter in this thread http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=7981 )

Yes, you can use the higher spec'd unit as a drop-in. Your bike doesn't need the higher wattage, as it doesn't have peak-power-hungry ABS pumps that later bikes have, but you won't hurt anything and the individual circuits will remain correctly fused at their own amperages.

If you can, testing the DC-DC converter on a bench power supply and multimeter is informative, at least for my own case; I'm pretty sure most of my own issue turned out to be moisture ingress causing intermittent shorts in the 12V system.

Good luck in general, the 12V converter is smack-dab in the middle of the bike and is annoying to deal with.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: What's So Super About Superbikes?
« on: August 17, 2018, 10:29:12 AM »
I'm personally a perfy sport-bike person, but I think we're all onboard with wanting to see Zero and e-motos in general hitting that mass-market volume-production-oriented model too  :)

To be fair, I think Zero is at least attempting to medium-upper-end / somewhat volume market themselves and not go full custom made-to-order superbike.
The real production superbikes in the e-moto category are stuff like the Lightning LS-218, Mission RS, and Energica bikes, all of which are a significant price and rider-insanity-level bump up from the Zero.

If Zero doesn't make a heavy, not-absurdly-performant cruiser, I anticipate at least someone will fill the niche, whether it be some upcoming desperate attempt from Harley-Davidson to sell anything including e-motos to people less than baby-boomer age, or someone like Harlan offering a semi-custom Zero cruiser with more battery heft than raw power.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: any ideas: license place frame?
« on: August 03, 2018, 11:39:26 PM »
I ended up making my own ( http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1764732 )

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