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I have a general question:
Does this glitch thing only happen on the brushless (Motenergy) motors?
Or on brushed motors (like Agni) too?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: 2012 S ZF9 BMS problem?
« on: November 04, 2014, 02:01:16 AM »
I can't really answer your questions.

But maybe it will help if you keep the battery on the charger for at least 72 hours (or probably even 216 hours since its a ZF9???).
The owner manual for my 2012 X (ZF3) suggest to leave the battery on the charger for 72 hours as often as possible for balancing.

Maybe its just some cells in your pack that came "too far out of range" that cause the BMS to shut down power and make your fuel gauge display show "empty".

I once had 4 bars on the display and all of a sudden it went to "empty". In the aftermath, unbalanced cells could have been the reason for this. But I still don't know for sure... Back then I only charged untill "full" most of the time.

Maybe you allready knew (and tried) this, sorry if this is advice doesn't help.

Good luck!



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Hello Cortez,
My bike is a 2012 X. I have bought another battery now (used at a good price). So I can ride again.
The old battery is still in my cellar waiting for repair.
I will send you a pm regarding your extra bms.



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Just wondering what the symptoms are.  My bike was showing fully charged when I set off this morning, then went to zero bars 3 miles into the ride.  I managed to limp home at 15 mph, but not sure if it's a BMS issue or the battery itself, or something else.

Hello Mike,
I have also read your topic...
I was (once or twice) experiencing similar symptoms. But not so dramatic as it was on your bike.
One example: I had 4 bars (of 10) on the "fuel gauge" after approx. 30 Kilometers of riding and the bike shut down the power immediately and the fuel gauge was blinking like it's empty. I was able to drive a few hundred meters with reduced power but then decided to push the bike home. After charging it was OK again. But that was a few months before my BMS failure.

My BMS problem was different...
After a short ride I took the battery (aprox. 80% full) out off my bike because I was about to change the chain and clean the bike. The next day I put the battery back in the frame and I wanted to ride again with my new chain, but the bike did not drive.
Symptoms: The fan, the lights and the speedometer went "on" when I turned the key, just like usual, but when I turned the throtttle, my bike did not move at all. A red "!" was showing on the speedometer.

Thanks for your help to everyone who has replied here. I will let you know if there are any news regarding my old battery/BMS.

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I know the configuration of a ZF3 is 18S2P.

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Did you have to pay for the replacement BMS?
Or did Zero replace it under warranty?

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The BMS should be covered under the 2 year power pack warranty if the vehicle was bought new in May 2013.

Thats what I thought too... but my dealer said its not under the warranty because it was a demo bike and it was produced in 2012 so the warranty ran out... and because I bought it at a discounted price... (6700 Euro ~ 8675$ -  ::) ... I'm sure most people got a better deal on their bike btw.)

I read from a lot of posts here, that Zero is fair with warranty with their US customers. To me it seems like the European Distributor just wants to sell bikes and then forgett about them.


Thanks Doc for answering my questions.

But there is one point that needs some explaination

Q- Any danger of destroying cells by running without BMS?
A: YESS !!!! this pack worth 3000$ and I would not recommend destroying cells by cells over the time by the non use of BMS. the BMs protect against over  charge and discharge



The Alltrax shuts down the power at a certain voltage (maybe 62V). The Delta Q is set to charge to 75V. And when these cells don't really drift much, why is there the risk of destroying the cells?

No need for Eig cells right now, thanks! But I might get back to you on the BMS if Zero doesn't come up with a fair solution.



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Hello guys,

The BMS on my 2012 Zero X is dead. My dealer told me that Zero (or more precisely the European Zero Distribution) would possibly charge 600Euro (800$) for a new one.

For some reason it seems my bike has not been sent to Zero for the recall because it looks like my BMS is not covered in silicone http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchResults?searchType=ID&targetCategory=R&searchCriteria.nhtsa_ids=12V310000
I bought the bike in May 2013 as a demo bike with 5 miles on it. So I´m pretty angry that they try to refuse to repair it under warranty. 

My dealer and I have tested my bike with another 2012 battery and it ran fine.
After that we put my battery in a Zero MX with a stripped down harness (no spedometer, converter, etc.) and it worked fine.
So I`m pretty sure there is no other problem beside the BMS.

In case they dont come up with a satisfying solution, I thought about stripping down the electrics of the bike and ride without BMS from now on.

So here are my questions:

- Do EIG Cells tend to drift?
- If they drift how much would this affect the bikes range or power output?
- Any danger of destroying cells by running without BMS?
- To the guys who have the same Battery: What voltage do you have when its fully charged?


Forgot to mention: My bike has 2300 miles on it.



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General Discussion / New guy from Germany with 2010 and 2012 Zero X
« on: May 17, 2014, 05:21:56 AM »
Hey guys whats cookin'

My name is Phil, I live in Germany not far away from the famous(?) Hockenheimring.
I visited this site quite often in the last couple years as a guest, and now thought its time to sign up.

3 Years ago I bought a 2010 Zero X with Perm motor. Last year I also bought a 2012 X.

I mostly ride on forest trails and in gravel mines. I've been to MX tracks too a couple of times, but I don't have much faith in the strenght of the frame...
I really like doing trial moves like balancing, bunny hops, stoppies, wheelies and climbs with the Zero.

The first 2 pics are older and show my 2010 with the pico-amps cooling kit.
The other two I took today after I installed my new Polisport Halo headlight on the 2012. Fits spot on in terms of installation and apperance.







I did some more modifications on both bikes. I'll write about them another day.

Goodnight

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