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  My Story.........................................I had a 2009 Zero X like yours  that I rode for a year before I sold it.   I had to replace the original battery with a newer one after it failed to recharge.
 This Bike was purchased from an auction  and Zero would only offer me a new battery for a cost of $1500.00.    The new battery worked well for about a year and then began to give me issues.   Note: I had always kept the battery on the charger when not in use and  plugged back in  after each ride.
Zero did cover the repairs (Under Warranty) to my new battery after it would only charge to 90%.  Tech support figured a dead or weak cell was causing  the charger not to reach 100% and could repair it.   Shortly after that I ended up selling the bike on Ebay.   
I did enjoy riding the bike on tight single track here in Pennsylvania.  :)  Before buying a replacement pack for 1/2 price  from Zero I though about rebuilding the old one.   My problem was finding  a resource to provide me with loose cells.   

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / FYI New Suspension Supplier Coming
« on: January 20, 2013, 09:07:55 AM »
Spoke to a reliable source today  and found out the suspension components would be sourced from a  different supplier in the future.  I can't recall exactly.......... it was either Showa or Kayaba.   He never mentioned  when this would be implemented .   I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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j_humph..........
 
other things I failed to mention about the 2009 Zero X

1.  My bike had  a recall from Zero for the instrument cluster.

2.  Zero provided a  software upgrade by exchanging the old charger with an updated one.

3.  Zero also advised against heavy track use because of a known frame failure.   No official recall was
     offered but the improved frame could be purchased if you wanted to upgrade.  I never had an issue with
     mine and never upgraded.

4.  Also original batteries had issues with packs becoming unbalanced and not charging fully.   Later
     upgraded battery packs had electronics to help with "balancing cells"   Newer style packs had metal
     panels on the ends of battery vs plastic.

Hope this helps you out,   Pennjon





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I had the 2009 X extreme with the PERM Motor and White Bros Forks.   My opinion is based on a dirtbike background so take it for what's it worth.  

Power:  The power was never a problem for riding single track.  The bike had an issue getting traction on rocky hills,  it would bounce and spin alot.  I assumed this was due to the lack of weight 150lbs.

Suspension:  I tryed numerous times to dial in the fork and shock settings but could never find a better setting.  The mountain bike components used air to adjust bottoming resistance which I didn't care for.

Brakes:  I felt the brakes were too weak and not up to the task.  Pads wore out quickly.

Handling:  Light weight and the linear power delivery of the electric motor made for a fun time riding tight trails.

Battery Life: Max 2 hours of ride time with minimal  full throttle..... mostly up /down trail riding on the side of the mountain.  Usually around 1.5 hrs with some spirited riding.  Ran the battery down a few times and pushed home to recharge.  Battery later had a dead cell which was repaired under warranty.

Noted:  The lack of engine braking made for a quick decent downhill and put stress on F/R brakes to control speed.  Also when freewheeling, power  wouldn't engage until motor rpm gets below throttle position.......ex. going downhill freewheeling and using  full throttle to accelerate faster.......motor controller will disable power  >:(
This proved nerve racking when approaching a downhill tabletop jump and attempted to launch  off jump face with power on.   Power  would hit suddenly almost causing a loop out and crash   >:(.
I did have fun riding this  bike in different environments and the newer models addressed many of my complaints here.

Thx  Pennjon


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Stick with Zero I know they stand behind the product. 
They supported my bike 100% to keep me up and running.  I had a 2009 Zero X for about a year before I sold it and went back to gas.  I enjoyed the experience and rode the bike in every offroad
environment to find it's limits.  Your expectations can't be the same as for  a gas motorcycle of course or you will be disappointed.  I would suggest taking a serious test ride to answer some of your questions on which model to purchase.

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I've been looking at the new 2011 models and noticed bigger brakes, beefer forks, stronger wheels,  rear brake pedals etc..........which added more weight to these machines.  I hate to think battery life will be taking a hit with the latest improvements.   
It seems Neal's vision for Zero was more bicycle like with lighter components to save energy  and improve handling.   The New Zero without Neal is headed toward  more motorcycle like components  which adds pounds
to the machine.   I guess the Quantya is around 200 lbs for their off-road bike ,  looks like Zero is headed  in the same direction.  I'm sure this is a great marketing ploy to attract more potential consumers,  showing the bike is main stream. 


Jon
2009 Zero X owner

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Neal Saiki no longer at Zero
« on: February 25, 2011, 09:22:19 AM »

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: What to do with old battery?
« on: November 24, 2010, 07:54:52 AM »
Well,  I see how the individual batteries are series together.   It seems they could be easily designed to come apart for servicing and replacement.
How dangerous are they to work with and why no factory certified expert to rebuild your pack?
Is the market too small and specialized?    I know about the liability stuff.......but , hey auto parts stores will sell you brakes for car.
They aren't responsible if you put them on wrong and can't stop then crash into something, Right. 
Drug Companies sell drugs that kill/hurt people ...... Why can't E-moli sell to the people?   ........AHH a Canadian Company with a conscience

The US Capitalist $$$$$$ wants to know

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: What to do with old battery?
« on: November 22, 2010, 08:21:43 AM »
Hi Picasso,  Check your E-mail,  I sent you two Pics of the Battery.  The voltage reading is like .5 volts....... >:(




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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: What to do with old battery?
« on: November 20, 2010, 07:11:16 AM »
 I 'll try to make time this weekend for some picture taking and get back to you.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: What to do with old battery?
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:27:37 AM »
Thanks.......for the info.  I got curious and popped the side covers off  my battery,  it appears to be a moli (made in Canada).  
  You aren't kidding about the glue in that battery.  They don't appear to be designed for any servicing work period.  Getting to  all  the cells  involves major work and could lead to damaging the components in there.  I will give moli a call and see what they say about  parts or refurbish options.
If I decide to give up,  you can have it.    I think you are more motivated then me with this ;D and could  lead to some interesting posts here.

Thanks Pennjon



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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: What to do with old battery?
« on: November 19, 2010, 06:41:22 AM »
Do you have any information on who makes it for Zero or links on how to recharge it? 


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / What to do with old battery?
« on: November 18, 2010, 09:32:23 AM »
I replaced the original battery from my 2009 Zero X with a new one this past July.  Long story :-[...........anyway the old battery has been
sitting around my basement for a few weeks and I was trying to decide what to do with it?  Zero said to just recycle it,  can anything
be done to refurbish it?  The voltage is so low the charger can't charge it and reads a fault code. 
It does make a good door stop though! ;D    any ideas???

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Now I'm upset with ZERO!
« on: November 15, 2010, 07:42:45 AM »
I'm not a big fan of the chain adjustment setup either........ >:(   This is compounded by that cheap  stock chain which  requires adjustment  
after every other  ride it seems.    
A higher quality chain should cut down on adjustment intervals.  I do worry about  a beefer chain .....thicker sideplates could cause a clearence issue on the frame/swingarm.  Did you notice anything with the RK?

I called and asked for a shop manual aswell.....my contact Jeff Jolin told me they are still working on putting one together.
Most hard parts on the Zero seem to be 3rd party stuff.  Like the motor, motor controller, throttle assem., Suspension parts.
Further investigation revealed most of these parts were available outside of Zero and have been used before  on other applications.  
I started feeling less of the R&D Guy for product development. ;)    Frame and Battery are Zero designed /Spec
I really hate dealing with stripped bolts  , some factories have a tendency for overtorquing stuff.  I guess Zero is no better!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: unbalanced Zero X/MX Pack
« on: November 05, 2010, 07:51:33 AM »
I just received E-Mail notification from Zero on the charger replacement.  Apparently they sent it out weeks ago and wondered why I didn't
send my old unit back for exchange.   I never saw the package come in the mail ???   I will wait to hear from them ounce they run tracking
on the package.  About how long ago since yours was delivered?

Jon

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