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Is this a 'new' upgraded frame in response to the snapped one in Switzerland http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/04/oh-snap-zero-mx-frame-fails-du.html or was that just a rogue?

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Tech Help / Re: Help with ideas....Newbie
« on: June 15, 2010, 12:23:16 PM »
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Also, it runs an oil cooled motor inside the swingarm, so I'm assuming that isn't available off the shelf!

Oh it's available alright if you're willing to pay  :)

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/motoczysz-electric-d1g1tal-dr1ve-e1pc-superbike/

Rob

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Electric Motorcycle Events / 666 for TT Zero
« on: March 20, 2010, 06:56:16 AM »

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So basically, despite Azhar  being willing to cancel Paris and accept the Wednesday slot, the IOM went ahead and planned their own race within a two week period because Azhar didn't tell them quickly enough that he would pay their fee which, if I remember correctly, was a substantial amount of money.

Clear as mud.

Hi drivin, you've got it a bit upside down :)

The IOM govt. told TTXGP in December that if no agreement could be reached then the IOM would develop and manage their own race.
On the deadline of 15th Jan, TTXGP declined involvement and so the IOM proceded with their 'contingency' plan.
TTXGP only offered to cancel the Paris event two weeks later.
Azhar didn't pay a fee, he got paid!. The IOM spent approx. 150,000GBP on the TTXGP in 2009!

Here is a statement issued by the IOM govt. ......

Following speculation and unsubstantiated claims regarding The Isle of Man Government’s decision to run their own clean emissions event as part of the 2010 TT races, The Isle of Man Government’s Department of Tourism and Leisure wishes to put on record the facts regarding their decision.

The Department began formal negotiations with the TTXGP Ltd team in July 2009 with a view to running another clean emissions event on The Isle of Man in 2010. On 2 September 2009, the Department formally agreed in principle to run an event and this was confirmed in writing to TTXGP Ltd. A proposal, including a financial support package, was communicated to the TTXGP team on 7th October, 2009. This proposal was rejected by the TTXGP Ltd management team. Subsequent to the original proposal TTXGP Ltd announced in late November, 2009 – without prior consultation with the Department – their plans for an event in Paris which conflicted with the TT period and effectively prevented TTXGP from participating in the allotted schedule in TT 2010.

On 21st December 2009 TTXGP Ltd advised the Department that due to their plans for Paris and their consequent inability to participate in the scheduled race in TT 2010, they proposed not to have a clean emissions race in TT 2010 and would aim to come back to the TT in 2011. TTXGP were advised that if they could not reschedule their proposed Paris event, in order to attend TT 2010 for the scheduled date, the Department would develop and manage its own clean emissions race. This was confirmed to TTXGP Ltd on 24th December, and subsequently a meeting between the Department and TTXGP Ltd was held on 15th January 2010.

TTXGP Ltd were invited to reconsider their position regarding the Paris event to enable their participation in TT 2010 on the scheduled date, but declined the opportunity to do so. The Isle of Man Government then confirmed its intention to organize its own clean emissions event and would provide a press release to TTXGP Ltd for any comments. At the request of TTXGP Ltd, the Isle of Man Government deferred the issue of its press release. Immediately after 15th January, the Isle of Man Government initiated its contingency plan in order to organise its own clean emissions race.

The Isle of Man Government made a significant investment in the TTXGP in 2009, both financially and through officer time across a number of departments. In order to protect this investment, the Isle of Man Government’s Council of Ministers decided that if the Department was unable to reach agreement with TTXGP Ltd that it should run its own event. Regulations for the new event, TT Zero, were issued this week. This race will be run as a stand-alone class as part of the 2010 Isle of Man TT races meeting.

The Department is confident that with the support of the teams and riders, and the experienced third party agencies that are involved with running the TT Races, they can build on the 2009 TTXGP race.

The teams and riders will now have direct access to funds from the Isle of Man Government to assist with their travel and other costs associated with their participation and will also benefit from the integral association with the TT races that the event will now have.

The Isle of Man Government remains totally committed to clean emission motorcycle racing and the development of the technology that is associated with clean emission machines.

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Someone is lying and that pisses me off. I want to find out who it is but I will try my best not to damn anyone until we know for sure. At this point everyone is my friend


e-mail from IOM Chief Minister Tony Brown sent to John Shimmin:

NOTE: copied to Azhar!!

From: Tony Brown
Sent: 28 January 2010 00:03
To: 'Shimmin, John (DLGE)'
Cc:
Subject: FW: TTXGP Paperwork
Importance: High
Sensitivity: Confidential

Dear John
I met with Martyn yesterday – Tuesday - to discuss the matters and concerns relating to TTXGP and Azhar. I am not sure if you have seen all of the attached documentation which you may find useful. I am aware you have not seen the Departments Notes of the meeting held between Martyn and Azhar on the 15th January 2010 or the Minutes of the 7th July 2009 which you may find helpful; Martyn is content for this attached information to be shared with Azhar, so I have copied him into this email.
After discussing the matter with Martyn it seems to me that the Department’s proposals are now well advanced for the new TT race for emissions free bikes. This is due to the Department not reaching agreement, or information from Azhar, which they requested regarding his proposed fee and conscious that they did not wish to not have such a race during TT 2010.
I agree with Martyn that the opportunity for involvement in such an event by Azhar for 2010 has passed. Therefore Azhar has to accept the situation. I note from your email to me of the 27th January 2010 that you advise that Azhar has now cancelled Paris; in my ‘phone conversation with Azhar on Friday 22nd January he stated that if I, we [government] say the event has to be held on Wednesday of TT 2010 then he will pull out of the Paris event – but really wants race to be held on Friday of TT 2010. I advised that I would have to discuss with Martyn to ascertain where they were up to and that he should wait the outcome of my discussions as I was not in a position to definitely say that the event was to be held on Wednesday but I did advise that as I understand it – and I believe from what he indicated he was also of that understanding - the Dept are proposing to hold an event on the Wednesday of TT week 2010. I can confirm that the Department are to organise a TT emissions free event on the Wednesday of TT week 2010 and that the event is being organised by a team of officers from the DTL answerable through Nick Black to Martyn.
I know how passionate you are about this matter and I recognise the unstinting support you give to Azhar, however I agree with you that this matter needs to be finally determined which it now has, and I am sorry that it has not been determined as you or Azhar had hoped.

Regards
Tony

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Home Brew / Re: Honda Odyssey convert...
« on: March 03, 2010, 03:42:16 AM »
Hi guys, try over at www.elmoto.net

Nothing specific for the FL250, but a wealth of emotorcycle build howtos.

good luck with it!

Rob

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: Team Agni NOT Signed on to TT Zero (yet?)
« on: February 27, 2010, 09:12:41 AM »
Hey magicsmoke, thanks for the info. Kinda hard to figure out who is sAying what and the context. Have a link to the discussion?

Hi skadamo, yeah the link is http://www.iomtt.com/Home/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&PostID=190063

not the most informative link, but it's the one I referenced.

cheers.

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It was quite a disruption to the norm putting electric bikes in a race defined by it's high speeds and danger. I think it would be even better to have a second race on the IOM though the IOM government seems set on dumbing it down a bit by moving the race day and keeping it at 1 lap vs 2.

Firstly, the IOM govt. doesn't decide race order, it's the ACU, and far from 'dumbing it down' the zero emissions class has been promoted to full TT status and as such, competitors are eligible for travelling expenses, prize money, insurance etc.
The Friday or Senior race day is a culmination of 100+ years of racing format on the IOM and the senior race itself requires qualification from earlier races in the week. This is why it has to be the last race and is the main spectacle of the festival.
The 'novelty' TTXGP race (as it was in 2009) replaced the time slot that the parade lap has held for the las 20 years, but now that it has full TT status it has been merged with the main classes and the parade lap returns.
To expect a 1 year old event to stand aside the 'Senior' is frankly arrogant.

As for 1 lap vs 2, a battery pack suitable for 1 lap is approx. 10,000GBP. A 2 lap event would exclude most if not all privateers on financial grounds.

Regarding the conflict between competing organisations, I agree that the TTXGP and FIM's ePower calendars and allegiance is going to be tricky, but the IOMTT is at the mercy of other organisations' scheduling and can't (and doesn't want to) be a threat to either as it's a once a year deal, not a series.
Following the spat between TTXGP and the IOM government, I think that the actions of TTXGP to deliberately clash race dates with the TT, demand 'exclusivity contracts', and insist on entry to each and every round within a series to qualify for the final is childish, damaging to electric motorcycle sport and perhaps shows their true colours.
If we're not very careful as an emotor community we could quite easily end up with a Bernie Ecclestone clone on top.

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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: Team Agni NOT Signed on to TT Zero (yet?)
« on: February 27, 2010, 07:49:29 AM »
Just to set the record straight, an excerpt from the iomtt.com forum, posted by Brammofan ...

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"Actually, I was wrong about who paid for the new electrical service to the TTXGP paddocks. It was Manx Electric.

Although the plan was for TTXGP to be scattered amongst the petrol bike paddocks for 2010, apparently they had reached an arrangement with the folks that had been placed in TTXGP's spot for this year."
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and a further excerpt from a Manx Government statement ...

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23rd February 2010
STATEMENT FROM THE ISLE OF MAN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND LEISURE

Following an article that has been posted on motorcyclenews.com, the Isle of Man Government categorically denies that there was ever any intention to supply teams with petrol generators for the TT Zero race.  The Department of Tourism and Leisure is at a loss to understand how this story came about as there has never been any intention to do anything other than provide power supplies by the existing dedicated distribution network.

The TT Zero teams will be situated in Paddock D and will be supplied with electric sockets to charge their bikes from the mains, as is the case with the rest of the TT paddock.

The TT Zero regulations, which were issued on 2nd February 2010, clearly state on page 26, point 16:

Charging from the mains
The machine may be charged from a provided 240 volt single phase supply of 13 Amps maximum. The charging system must be separate from the machine and comply with all electrical safety requirements including thermal overload trip, fusing and be equipped with an earth leakage protection breaker.

We have reassured Team Agni that electric sockets will be used to charge the bikes in the Paddock.
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and lastly a quick one from Rob Barber (iomtt.com forum again), Team Agni's 2009 winner ...

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This Guy Proctor is getting on my T1ts he has not once spoke to me about anything yet he's an expert on electric racing at the TT. If he had ever been to the TT then he would know it the best paddock in the UK for mains power supply. The Gennies are for the holding area and road.
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It's about time all this B*SH*T stopped, and the racing started!
Rob

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