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So here's my recent experience with cold temperatures in an EV. Unfortunately not with my Zero, as the roads are WAY too icy and snowpacked to take it out. Last month I received my Tesla Model S, and it is sweet. It arrived in the middle of a cold snap, and in Manitoba that means COLD. The lowest temperatures I drove it in were -32*C with a (standing) windchill of -43*. Everything worked well, even after standing outside for several hours in an exposed parking lot. The car will turn off regen braking if it is too cold, because it can't charge up the battery below freezing, but discharge is fine. I've had no trouble with electronics. Range obviously decreases, although part of it is because the Tesla has a thermal management system that heats up the battery pack (so that it can be recharged, and regen kicks back on after driving for about 10 minutes in -30*).

I'm GUESSING that in extreme conditions the Zero should drive alright, with seriously reduced range, but don't expect to charge outside a garage. I just don't have the gear right now to drive in our crazy cold (I need to borrow my dad's snowmobile helmet & suit, and get some serious winter tires on, maybe chains). Maybe next winter! Do we know if Zero has done any cold-weather testing (and not just Californian cold)?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Future of Charging
« on: February 22, 2013, 02:07:48 AM »
Without reading this entire lengthy thread (sorry, I only stop by once every 2 months!), my vote is for compatibility with Tesla Superchargers :) Seriously, all it NEEDS is a NEMA 14-50 plug, and it will be fine, and these are all over the place (RV parks) and CHEAP to install. In an emergency, most houses have them if they have relatively new ranges. It's what I use with my Tesla at home and is completely sufficient. Road trips where you are time-limited are the only situations where you need anything more.

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Is there a big problem with leaving it uncovered? Obviously if one is riding in serious mud it might be hard to clean after, but have there been any issues with water getting in? I just leave it, rain or shine, and have blown dust out of it a couple of times (and I drive a lot of gravel roads and occasionally in the rain). But I don't want to mess up my bike!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Anybody get stranded?
« on: February 22, 2013, 01:36:20 AM »
Never been stranded with my '12 DS, but was riding on "0" for a couple of miles. It was my first week driving, and I didn't plug in overnight. I had forgotten I needed to drive an extra 10 miles in the morning before work, and I was quite glad to make it to a plug on it's own power. Pushing it onto the driveway would have caused endless ribbing by my co-workers, so I'm quite grateful it lasted. Since then I've had ZERO problems, because I plug in every night and I never check the gauge unless I'm driving somewhere new (which is basically never).

I also recently got a Tesla Model S, and seriously, road trips are the only time I will ever check the range. I have had way more range anxiety about my gas cars because I have to go out of my way to fill up and it wastes at least 5 minutes of my time, instead of taking 4 extra seconds plugging in at home. FREEDOM!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Belt Drive
« on: February 22, 2013, 01:23:25 AM »
Were we supposed to get a belt tension tool (I have a 2012 DX)?

I also prefer the belt over chains - I like to ride as quietly as possible!

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@ZeroSinMA - so what would you say is the minimum distance I need to travel? And/or minimum speed? I am SO tempted to get winter tires on my DS - in Manitoba I can go studded if I want - never had any, though; on a car they're not worth it but maybe on a bike it is...

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I took a short ride this afternoon around the block, carefully since I don't have winter tires. LOTS of snow. It was about -13 C (8.6F) with a windchill of -23 (-9.4F). It did fine, but of course I do keep it in a garage, here! I probably should have worn a helmet, but I'm a crazy canuck and it wasn't THAT cold...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Rode the 2013 S today!
« on: November 16, 2012, 09:47:39 PM »
@ZeroSinMA: What was the cost for the upgrade?

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I would strongly encourage you to be cautious while testing the lower operational limit - make sure you have a backup plan for transportation if the bike shuts down (or more likely, refuses to start up after a cold soak) while you are exposed to the environment. I don't know what the freezing point for the electrolyte in the batteries is, but you obviously want to avoid that as well. (EIG says -30C / -22 F is the minimum storage temperature).

All that said.. I'd love to read what you find out.

I work at home over the winter, so it would just be around the neighbourhood. Definitely not into being stranded on a gravel road in winter!

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So, is this a challenge? I hope to ride at least a bit this winter, but it gets pretty cold on my long commutes even at 5*C (of course it's usually windy here at the same time). I find that Zero's windscreen is not sufficient for me and I'm considering finding something else. Any recommendations? I'll also have to get out my snowmobile helmet :) I wonder how long the bike could last at -40...

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I wouldn't mind getting cruise control; although setting my DS to eco mode is kind of like cruise on the highway (full throttle is a tad fast for our speed limits, but for my commute it works)

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Way back in spring I received my 2012 DS ZF6 (perfect for my highway/gravel commute); I think I'm the only one in Steinbach, MB, Canada (MB's automobile city). Loving it!

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