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Brammo Forum / Re: Brammo on NBC
« on: November 20, 2009, 02:38:25 AM »
Nice piece. I just wish they hadn't have called it "Born to be Mild."
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Waiting for the Big Guys To Enter Market
« on: November 20, 2009, 02:37:06 AM »
gasorelectric,
If you don't like what they are selling, don't buy one. Move on.
Those guys make those things from the ground up. You've got to start somewhere. Have you ever driven a GM? Like those things are perfect ... and they have been in production for quite a long while. The G6, for example has the turning radius of a semi. Ford issues recalls all the time. Most major manufacturers make mistakes, but they try to fix them, and move forward. You expect perfection from something brand new? Why don't you get in line for a Mission ... oh wait, those have problems too.
You know, when there is a car accident, the guy that is the most angry, and yelling and screaming that it is the other person's fault, is generally the one that caused the accident. Flying off the handle with long drawn out ranks loose credibility. You just sound angry and defensive.
By no means am I saying that Zero is perfect. I think that everyone has a lot to learn in this space. Both Zero and Brammo (I use these two, because they seem to have the biggest marketing efforts, but I know they're not the only ones) are doing a great job getting attention on electric bikes and the industry, and I think that they're making progress, both for themselves (and each other) and everyone else to come in the future.
If you don't like what they are selling, don't buy one. Move on.
Those guys make those things from the ground up. You've got to start somewhere. Have you ever driven a GM? Like those things are perfect ... and they have been in production for quite a long while. The G6, for example has the turning radius of a semi. Ford issues recalls all the time. Most major manufacturers make mistakes, but they try to fix them, and move forward. You expect perfection from something brand new? Why don't you get in line for a Mission ... oh wait, those have problems too.
You know, when there is a car accident, the guy that is the most angry, and yelling and screaming that it is the other person's fault, is generally the one that caused the accident. Flying off the handle with long drawn out ranks loose credibility. You just sound angry and defensive.
By no means am I saying that Zero is perfect. I think that everyone has a lot to learn in this space. Both Zero and Brammo (I use these two, because they seem to have the biggest marketing efforts, but I know they're not the only ones) are doing a great job getting attention on electric bikes and the industry, and I think that they're making progress, both for themselves (and each other) and everyone else to come in the future.
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Vectrix Forum / Re: Vectrix, what happened?
« on: October 18, 2009, 10:38:07 PM »
I actually participated in a photoshoot with a Vetrix in 2007, before Leonardo DiCaprio got his (I hear). Anyway, talk about a behemoth! Yeah, no kidding. It took two vetrix employees to move the thing around for the shoot because it was so big and cumbersome. We never got to ride it because there was some issue with the liability insurance. Anyway, nothing about it seemed fun.
Thanks for the article links Brammofan!
Thanks for the article links Brammofan!
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Electric Motorcycle News / Re: BMW C1-E Electric Enclosed Scooter
« on: October 18, 2009, 10:17:56 PM »
The aesthetics don't do much for me, but it is an interesting idea. Seems like it would be much more newbie friendly/approachable.
"Supposedly offering "carlike safety on a single track bike, ...the rider [does] not need a helmet to ride it safely." Most nations would be hard pressed to make exceptions to their safety laws. This is what led to dismal sales and the very abrupt end to the C1 in the first place."
Agreed! Seems like a subjective matter at this point. Maybe tests will prove otherwise. Until then, I have a hard time understanding how the belt/no helmet wouldn't be a safety issue!
"Supposedly offering "carlike safety on a single track bike, ...the rider [does] not need a helmet to ride it safely." Most nations would be hard pressed to make exceptions to their safety laws. This is what led to dismal sales and the very abrupt end to the C1 in the first place."
Agreed! Seems like a subjective matter at this point. Maybe tests will prove otherwise. Until then, I have a hard time understanding how the belt/no helmet wouldn't be a safety issue!
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero Motorcycles Gets to Obama first?
« on: October 18, 2009, 10:12:21 PM »
That's funny! Nothing quite like some good, friendly competition.
Has there been any other word from Zero on this? Anyone know how many bikes they had out there. Must have been cool to see. I could at least 5 in that pic (under a road?), sounds like there were more though. Did anyone see them?
Has there been any other word from Zero on this? Anyone know how many bikes they had out there. Must have been cool to see. I could at least 5 in that pic (under a road?), sounds like there were more though. Did anyone see them?
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Voluntary Recall of the Main System Boards on the Zero X and Zero MX Motorcy
« on: October 18, 2009, 10:09:58 PM »
@ Guilty,
Yes, I agree it is a bummer, but thinking about it, all big auto/moto companies go through recalls. It is sort of inevitable that recalls are going to come up. I think Ford just did a HUGE one last week, but I could be wrong. I guess that sort of implies that Zero is a big company now if they are doing a recall, which is actually kind of cool. At least they are leading with the right message, as it looks like they're taking responsibility, and doing the right thing.
Yes, I agree it is a bummer, but thinking about it, all big auto/moto companies go through recalls. It is sort of inevitable that recalls are going to come up. I think Ford just did a HUGE one last week, but I could be wrong. I guess that sort of implies that Zero is a big company now if they are doing a recall, which is actually kind of cool. At least they are leading with the right message, as it looks like they're taking responsibility, and doing the right thing.
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