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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: August 08, 2021, 09:50:57 PM »
Thanks for all the info.
It's really helping.
Any idea if there are also CAN lines in this connector?

I don't belive there is CAN lines in this connector.  I have the other connector connected for CAN lines.

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Pics and Vids / Re: My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: March 06, 2021, 11:35:19 PM »
Here is the latest update.  Just about done.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: February 09, 2021, 02:13:59 AM »
I put a video together of what I figured out.

Cheers.


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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: January 20, 2021, 06:38:23 AM »
ok after much messing around I got it working. I will do a how to later.

Arduino IDE was actually the fastest way.
I also got real term working and I bet putty will work

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: January 19, 2021, 10:49:41 PM »
No Arduino needed but you'll still need an USB to TTL converter which is the part used to program smaller Arduino boards hence the Arduino IDE.

That and an OBDII connector is really all you need. In below video I'm gutting a cheap Bluetooth OBD adapter to put such an USB to TTL converter in place instead and than in the end I read out from console. Video is in a different language but just visually it might help to get an idea.

https://youtu.be/JqUwTeAqi3o?t=159

Ok thanks.  So a normal USB-serial adapter won't work?
Watching video now.

-Arlin

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: January 18, 2021, 11:27:59 PM »
On software side you could also try the arduino IDE which is free and has a serial monitor build in. A bit of a workaround but easier since you just need to pick the right device from a list.

Hmm thanks for the response.  Not sure how I would do that.  You think I can just try the arduino IDE with no arduino hooked up?  Or are you thinking to have an arduino intercept the serial data first?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Cable to access BMS Diagnostic Port
« on: January 18, 2021, 01:01:06 PM »
Hi All,  I have been trying to talk to the BMS on my 2018 longbrick.   Its a 7.2kwh brick.

I tried this and for the life of me I can't get it to work.  I tried Putty and Realterm.  I tried all kinds of baud rates.
My setup is not the same as normal I don't have a MBB and I don't have the BMS coms wires hooked to anything at this point.   Has anyone else had success with this lately?  Will the BMS talk over Serial if its only plugged into the battery it self? 

Thanks.

-Arlin

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Pics and Vids / Re: My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: January 06, 2021, 12:05:17 AM »
That's damn impressive, essentially building your own Alta equivalent, and running your own dyno, the Arduino stuff, etc.

When it's done I'd like to see a complete tour of the bike and your maiden voyage in the dirt!

(Tell your wife I said it was worth waking her up for this)
Thank you for the kind words.
Yes this is the first test ride before working on the dyno and it was at 48hp in this video! 


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Pics and Vids / Re: My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: January 05, 2021, 10:02:27 AM »
I was talking about the S/DS btw, they sell a 14.4 model as well as the 7.2 here in Europe. Same motor and controller but different power outputs. Zero say it's a 550A controller so in theory there's more to give even with the smaller battery.

When you say current cutbacks is that some sort of active protection in the battery pack? I'm not all that knowledgeable on this stuff, I just pick up things mostly from what I've read on here and haven't heard that before.

Oh I see.  Well the way Zero does it is the BMS sends info to the MBB and the MBB sends a max allowable current to the controller.  So I will have to make myself some sort of MBB most likely and I will program it with limits I want.   But the controller it self also has Low voltage cutbacks so when the battery sags to 88 or 89volts it starts to reduce power and at 84v it does not allow any power.  So this is another level of protection.  And if you cells are to weak they will sag to a point the controller will cut back either way.

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Pics and Vids / Re: My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: January 05, 2021, 05:17:15 AM »
Dope, both the bike and the dyno. Looks like a blast to ride. What's the battery and controller, stock Zero and just reprogrammed? What's the reasoning for the jackshaft?

Its more or less a 2018 Zero SR motor and controller.  The battery is a newer longbrick (FX battery or 1/2 a monolith)

The Jackshaft is for 2 reasons.  #1 is to run realistic gearing.  I have 3 CRF sprockets and 1 industrial sprocket machined to accept the 520 chain.
So I wanted to gear down as far as I could with OEM gears.  This is also nice to I don't have a HUGE rear sprocket to hit rocks and add unspring weight to the rear wheel its also a sprocket I can get at any motorcycle supply store. 

The second reason is because you can't slide the motor back far enough to put the motor sprocket in a good place to keep the chain from whipping around.  OEM ICE MX bikes run the sprocket as close to the swing arm pivot as they can to prevent it from changing its slack to much as the rear suspension travels.
7.2kW/h? Cool to see that it's capable of that sort of power without blowing up. Zero limits the 7.2 bikes to about 44hp and you need to step up to a 14.4 to get 59hp.

I didn't look too closely so it looked like the jackshaft had the same sprocket size on each end. Is it something you made from scratch or was it made from the stock engine? I notice it goes between the swingarm like I've seen some dirtbike engines do. What is the final gear ratio?

Lol not worried about blowing up.  The pack will produce what it can until current cutbacks kick in.  A OEM FX is a smaller motor.  Its also a lower temp magnet motor and a surface mount magnet motor.  This is a SR IPM motor.   The pack is a usable 6.5kwh (Zeros number is a sales spoof number)  It is good for up to 640 amps its usable AH is 64ah and at 10c burst for 10 seconds you can see as much as 640 amps out of it. The right side of the jackshaft is 14 teeth and the left side is 12 teeth. Both machined to use OEM Honda 450 mx sprockets

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Pics and Vids / Re: My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: January 05, 2021, 05:01:08 AM »
Dope, both the bike and the dyno. Looks like a blast to ride. What's the battery and controller, stock Zero and just reprogrammed? What's the reasoning for the jackshaft?

Its more or less a 2018 Zero SR motor and controller.  The battery is a newer longbrick (FX battery or 1/2 a monolith)

The Jackshaft is for 2 reasons.  #1 is to run realistic gearing.  I have 3 CRF sprockets and 1 industrial sprocket machined to accept the 520 chain.
So I wanted to gear down as far as I could with OEM gears.  This is also nice to I don't have a HUGE rear sprocket to hit rocks and add unspring weight to the rear wheel its also a sprocket I can get at any motorcycle supply store. 

The second reason is because you can't slide the motor back far enough to put the motor sprocket in a good place to keep the chain from whipping around.  OEM ICE MX bikes run the sprocket as close to the swing arm pivot as they can to prevent it from changing its slack to much as the rear suspension travels.

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Pics and Vids / My Electric CRF 450 I have been working on.
« on: January 05, 2021, 03:39:47 AM »

After working on this for a while now its safe to post some videos. here is one I finishes last night.



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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Coldest day on record
« on: February 03, 2019, 01:42:07 PM »
Just leave it in the cold but don't use it and DO NOT CHARGE IT when cold.  The cells will last LONGER if stored in the cold.  just don't use it until its warmed up above 0 deg C!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Big belt Kits for pre-2017 bikes.
« on: January 07, 2017, 01:36:55 PM »
I can also vouch for Farfle   I have a few motor that need these.  If we can get the numbers up it will help get the cost down who's in? 

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