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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 12, 2024, 09:40:34 AM »
Lifepo4 charging is nothing new to me, don't know why you elaborate on that, like I wrote earlier, I studied Lifepo4 in more depth than anyone I know personally. So, don't worry about me not understanding my batteries.  ;D
If everyone understood their batteries like I do, none would burn, none would explode, none would offgas, none would leak, none would be wrecked in under a mediocre 1000 charge cycles.

I hear, Zero bike batteries don't do more than that. ??

All my batteries in the past have had >5000 lifecycles before they even reached 80% SOC.

"Go look around on the internet, do searches on Charge Controllers,"
Like I wrote: "DDG cannot find ANY such highly rated solar charge controller. "
DDG means Duckduckgo. I detest google.

"If you look around I am sure there are others which will let you go even higher."
Nope.

"I know i seen them before"
Cool. Can you remember where?  ;)

Either way, as modest as always indicated, I am not sure it needs a solar charge controller rated for ~86V system.

Aaron: "You can absolutely charge your bike from solar!  I do it all the time at home here." ??
What is the voltage YOUR battery is running at that you charge "all the time" straight from solar? And with which CC?
I may have missed that.

"May I recommend a website called batteryuniversity.com" ?
OMG, please not, no.
I've been amazed for years, how many people fall for that pseudo wisdom I've found on there.
Is that just because it calls itself "university", I wonder?



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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 08:35:52 PM »
Thanks, I am not 100% sure I understood you right Aaron?
So, I checked midnitesolar, all their controllers can handle only up to 72V battery systems: https://www.midnitesolar.com/products.php?menuItem=products&productCat_ID=21&productCatName=Charge%20Controllers%20-%20Classics

(Not to confuse 96AMPS charge capacity with 96V battery system)  :D
While my house system is 25.6V nominal, my Lifepo4 bike batteries will be the >80V that I had detailed.
My (current) understanding is, that a new, third, solar charge controller would need to ** Nominal System Voltage ** of >80V matching the bike battery system.
Right?

Not to be confused with a charge controller's Rated charge current, Rated discharge current, and Max. solar input voltage. All of these are different, additional values to check. However, all of these will be FINE then: Already charge controllers for ** Nominal System Voltage ** 24V can easily do 40A and 134V (my Solarepic too), both of which values are higher than what the 8 new roof panels will provide: 84VMP 14.3IMP

Again, my only trouble is (if my understanding is right?) that I cannot find a solar charge controller with Nominal System Voltage
>80V to match the bike battery system. But that I would need one, to do direct DC Solar to DC bike battery charging (with controller, of course). Like you do you said, right?

DDG cannot find ANY such highly rated solar charge controller. And midnitesolar's sales page (of 72V max systems) suggests that such one would cost > $1000 anyway.

I assume, all of these reasons were what made the guys on the solar forum agree that direct solar DC to bike DC charging is sort of impossible. ?


But you wrote: "You can absolutely charge your bike from solar!  I do it all the time at home here." - How? Got a photo of setup? Was that the one with the panels on the concrete?

Sth I seem to be misunderstanding still?


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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 06:56:15 AM »
For tomorrow we have ONE day sunshine forecast (but frickin cold), I don't think I will be able to install my Fardriver 72360 controller....

The wiring (see my earlier post with the complicated mess under the bike's decking) looks so elusive, it will take me a good while to get my head around, which wire does what....  ::)
A few wires I identified the other day, just before the rain returned.

I need to be careful: Don't want to blow up my costly controller.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 06:52:31 AM »
I think, going forward, I will actually call my ev bike my "baby". Referencing its weakness (compared to you guys' bikes).
My "baby bike", I like that phrase  ;D

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 06:51:05 AM »
Woah, those are some decent charger cables, yes! Such I don't have (nor have seen here).
Your bike there is that the 17.6kW Zero (I thought I understood you mentioned) ?
That looks like a serious bike also, like your plugs.
Yes, way more professional than my setup (even the planned one).

The DC - DC solar charging you do would interest me. Then again, I reckon your system is so much bigger that I cannot replicate your way anyway.
Just maybe it gives me an idea, how I could do it for my "baby" system.
 ;D

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 06:44:09 AM »
I think you guys know way too much for me to understand (or swampnut at least misunderstood me when I spoke of AC-DC).

Aaron: "You can absolutely charge your bike from solar!  I do it all the time at home here." ?
"what is the voltage your battery is running at?"

That is the problem: So, my tiny house system is 25.6V nominal Lifepo4 (which means actual is always higher). Yet obviously nowhere nearly enough to charge the bike batteries directly (without boost converter, but through controller) from the house batteries (I would never charge any batteries straight from solar without charge controller, swampnut, no).

The bike batteries (also Lifepo4 but 24S) come with a 87.6V AC-DC charger (foolishly: The Chinese haven't studied Lifepo4 lifecycle, else they'd limit their chargers to 85.2V max!).

To answer your question: IDEALLY, I'd like to:
- use another switch that allows me to generally keep sending the power from the 8 roof panels (each 20.98VMP 7.15IMP, but connected 4S2P, ie 84VMP 14.3IMP) to my 25.6V charge controller house system (in addition to that from the rear wall panels),
- but when full sun and when I need to charge the bike batteries, I can turn the switch,
- to send said roof panel power to SEPARATE EXTRA charge controller that I BUY and which would be 84V charge controller, and is programmable like my existing two charge controllers.
- This way, I could program the NEW EXTRA 84V charge controller to safely charge the bike batteries straight from solar (DC to DC) when full sun.
- My understanding (currently) is, that I would need a 84V rated MPPT charge controller that I can program to charge the bike batteries CC - CV (first constant current as per their rated amps, and then constant voltage at 84V with diminishing current, the fuller the batteries get).

Though, I may still have some error in my thinking, maybe that's why I haven't connected the new roof panels yet (or, because it's always raining...).  ;D The above is just the current PLAN.

HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? ""You can absolutely charge your bike from solar!" ?

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 11, 2024, 12:09:56 AM »
Okay, I looked up images for all the plugs and adapters and sockets you guys have mentioned. I haven't seen one of them here, no, sorry. I did watch a video of a guy who showed "all" (he said) types of plugs /sockets available at "super(?) chargers" in the UK. None of the 3 (no more) I would be able to use for my baby bike, no. Not sure if a Harley or Energica could use those.

The IDEAL, would be we charge DC to DC. I wanted that for my tiny home (fully offgrid, charging straight from solar), but on a solar forum everyone (rightfully) advised against that: voltage and amps just fluctuate way too much to be safe (good) for battery health.
Like Aaron already pointed out: chargers must match the battery. It would be impossible for me to build the "smart" electronics he mentioned, to replicate or emulate the stock AC to DC charger. I won't even try.
So, I will keep charging the bike (stupidly) with the AC to DC stock charger, despite that my AC first comes from DC also! Each step has conversion losses....




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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 10, 2024, 11:59:30 PM »
The cord is not "live" unless connected and a smart handshake is made.
Spot on. Then I won't be able to charge at public chargers: My batteries (my bike has NO household or any other input, by the way, I lay cables from the batteries to where I need the power, and to charge the batteries, I will be able to take them off the bike to take them into a building for charging, or, to charge them while left on the bike, if I have a long enough cable / park up close to a socket), so, my batteries ...
don't come with any "handshake" protocol stuff, they are just Lifepo4 with Ant BMS.  ::)
So, sounds like I will try to charge at RV parks (great idea!! Thanks) and similar public places. I don't mind paying for recharging, after all the establishment has to pay for energy also. (Power doesn't cost much here, like in US, ~25c/kWh, subject to your state (California)). That comes out at cheap traveling, much cheaper than combustion engine for sure (I had a Suzuki V-Strom which is one of the cheapest to run, but my ebike now is a fraction of that).

Your 2400 watt charger will take almost five hours
Yes, that what I calculated too.
Only that I will use power between SOC 92-ish % to 15-ish% only, because I studied Lifepo4 lifecycle in depth, and this makes them live longest, as per current knowledge base. You guys, I think, all use Li-on derivatives, they have different requirements, I get it. (I have always been an outlier / nerd  ;D ;D)

My bike can do close to 200 city miles, 110-120 combined driving, less than 100 straight highway at 75, and if I ride it hard, even less.  Hard acceleration and deceleration, if you have regenerative braking, is actually not a range killer.  Holding high speeds is.
Cool, and spot on. 200 city miles is amazing for such powerful bike (compared to mine, I mean).
IF I get both batteries ordered, I calculated, with ultra-soft / smooth riding, I will easily go > 300km, which is about 200 miles also.

Here's some fun fact that I learned today when researching CAR ev watts/km comparisons:
The Porsche Tycan uses more power in city than on highway. While all other cars seem to use more on highway than in city: https://insideevs.com/reviews/344001/compare-evs/
No idea, why!?! Just interesting.
I was surprised how FEW watts the Model S uses, as compared to other cars. (same table)
Again, no idea, why, just interesting.

No, I don't know of a similar table that compares BIKE evs, sorry.  ;D

So, I read you have a Tesla CAR also. Woah, good man!  :D You will know more detail there then too.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 10, 2024, 11:28:00 PM »
then made pigtails to plug into that that were

Do you have a photo of that?  :D
It may give others an idea (me too)

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Citicoco changes - 1 by 1!
« on: January 10, 2024, 09:57:03 AM »
Yes Richard, the ordered batteries will both be rectangular shape. I can't now recall the measurements, but here some photos of what the Chinese manufacturer sent me before he sent them off:

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 10, 2024, 09:51:00 AM »
Very interesting, thank you.
You are indicating that your custom bike will have a household input, but you want to use a public charger, right?  I don't believe it's possible.  You definitely cannot use DC fast charging stations.  In theory you could use a public if an adapter existed, but that seems very unlikely.
Yes, such adapter I was after. "that seems unlikely", pity!

I should go looking around to find some public charging stations and have a look. Thing is, in this country (currently!) I have never seen a public charging place anywhere, lol!
Hence why I am slightly concerned for the planned long road trips, and have ordered another battery from the same Chinese guy.
I was THINKING if old-style gas stations (petrol stations here) let an ebike owner plug their household plug into one of their wall sockets? Or which other "shops" might let us do that? Basically, I fear, everytime I need to recharge, I have to fill myself up with another 5 course menu to be allowed to recharge at a restaurant?

I wonder what other ebikers' experience is there?
As I don't use fb and any such thing, I have no contact to ebike rider groups, if such exist. (not here anyway, I bet)


Bikes do charge like cars, mostly. Mainstream bikes and cars have either public station AC inputs (Zero)
What would "public station AC inputs (Zero)" look like? Do you have a photo of plug / socket?

My zero has 17.3k and charges at 6.6k.
Woah, that I consider very fast! 6.6kW here no household socket can output, afaik (16A *230V is standard max). Thus your Zero can charge at almost twice that max.
Do you have a suitable charging socket at home? And publicly available also?

To answer your question: If the ship from China delivers(!?), I hope to soon have up to ~150Ah * 76.8V nominal = 11.5kW.

"My zero has 17.3k" - Unfathomable for me.  ;D How many miles can you go?? Or, rather (as I count that way): What wattage do you use per km, on average trips?

I noticed, the riding style has more influence than anything else! Except to demonstrate to others, I avoid "fast starts / acceleration" now. Hills here, I cannot avoid, unfortunately. They cost wattage too. When I just keep on flat roads "in the flow" (same, low, speed), the bike uses "almost nothing" (under 20W/km).

The Ukrainians, in their RideBikeShop videos, on their "Long Range Performance", went in a video for an hour at top speed on a highway (I watched the whole video, yeah).  ;D
I like their videos a lot (though don't understand a word). I was going to buy from them, that bike. But then they stopped responding. I read in the news, "all" men were drafted. Terrible situation there!! :(   :-[



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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Your favorite waterproof connectors?
« on: January 10, 2024, 04:36:48 AM »
Yes, I have ordered 2 175A Andersons (or at least the Chinese sell them as such).  ;D

I figured that most high amp draws will be short-lived: going up a hill.
With my new power display I will be able to see how many amps each riding condition takes (once the rain stops, and once I magnify the stupid tiny display to be able to read it at all!!).

I aim to optimize my riding style, to use least power when going on the long road trips in the summer.

Hey listen, learning lesson: I learned already that, before, I was using 35W/km. Now I am down to UNDER 25W/km. Riding style is everything! Amazing. I ASSUME, the Fardriver controller will make it more efficient, still.

(I don't even know if the current stock controller has recuperation)


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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Citicoco changes - 1 by 1!
« on: January 10, 2024, 04:29:15 AM »
What do you mean?

The small stock one goes under the seat (where the lose cable is). But the two new large ones that are being shipped from China, one will go in front of the stock one (you see the huge foot area, very useful under the seat!), and the other will go where I have today taken off the rear seat (ie just in front of the new topbox).

While that is "high in the air", I figured it's no higher than a pillion's bum (and a pillion weighs way more than the battery). So I think it will be fine (as long as I don't come off the bike!!).  ;D

Another reason why I ordered both batteries in metal cases. To protect them against falls, to a degree.

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Your favorite waterproof connectors?
« on: January 10, 2024, 04:23:42 AM »
Those certainly aren't going to take 370A, so don't use them on the wires going to the motor. For that just use the included wires straight from the motor to the controller. If for some reason you need to extend them then use the same gauge wire with ring terminals on the end and bolt the connection together, or solder it if possible.

Oh, okay, thanks for the tips! I had indeed planned to use quick connectors everywhere. But I get your point that some wires should better be left as wires-only.

How many amps can the above connectors safely handle?
I won't be maxing out the Fardriver's 370A under any circumstances: My current motor (stock in the Citicoco) can handle only 4000W peak. I was thinking to replace it with a different QS motor (again), that can handle 8000W, but I have to take small steps updating my bike, as I am new to everything. I only learned of Fardriver and QS motors end of 2023, and only now beginning of 2024 that actually there are better controllers out there than Fardriver.... (though Fardriver is pretty good, I am not to complain - yet).

I THINK I will use the Android Fardriver app (unstable, the Chinese vendor said, but I have no iphone) and limit battery current to 100A (has 100A Ant BMS) and phase current to sth that doesn't heat up the motor windings... (whatever that Amps are). I will try to find out by adding a temperature sensor from the outside (my stock QS unfortunately has no temp sensor, the Chinese vendor saved on the extra cost).

I learned on the Ukrainian RideBikeShop pages that whatever the rim temperature (if alu), the motor temperature will be ~50C higher. I will go with that figure.  ;D

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Parts, Mods And Hacks / Re: Good cheap level 2 charging cord
« on: January 10, 2024, 04:13:04 AM »
There are so many cords out there now it's crazy. 

Thanks Aaron. This sounds like you have much more insight than I have: Do you know of such one?
- I've been trying to find out which cabled plug I could take on long road trips (once I get my two new big batteries) that would enable me to use the "typical" mall / supercharger / whatever sockets to charge my EV bike?
- You know, I mean, public charging places.
- Basically, I am a little concerned how, and if, I may find sufficient places where I can "quickly" recharge my batteries while traveling?
- The batteries are custom-built for me (some nice Chinese guy on Aliexpress) and come each with a 10A charger only (although I have now asked him if for the 2nd battery order he can upgrade me to a >10A charger, and how many amps the batteries can be charged at all. Safely. Not reducing lifespan.
- So: The chargers come with standard wall 240V wall plugs (here in Europe)
- I've read of some "delta-q" and other, speedier, chargers, but have no clue what to look out for, as I don't even know what is common at public charging places.... (never had an EV until now), and bikes don't charge like cars, you know.

Has anyone of you gone on long road trips, and learned how to "quickly" recharge your batteries?



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