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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 25, 2023, 05:40:41 PM »
2.2k and 2.4k resistors works perfectly.. using the bike for 2 days already with no issues.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Help with zero DS FZ MY14 2014 kickstand sensor fail
« on: November 25, 2023, 05:40:17 PM »
2.2k and 2.4k resistors works perfectly.. using the bike for 2 days already with no issues.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero FX/FXS on-board charger for sale obo
« on: November 24, 2023, 02:17:42 PM »
Im in Mozambique, Maputo 1100. I hope it can work as an aftermarket that is already activated. You plug in the qux and it charges.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero FX/FXS on-board charger for sale obo
« on: November 24, 2023, 01:29:50 PM »
I want yours cuz it's 250 usd... Not paying 1000usd for a zero charger.. they always have issues... I could use the plugs from my old if needs some modifications... Or I wonder if it could connect via the aux port and charge with the key on.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 24, 2023, 04:50:36 AM »Best choice! Resistors are so cheap.
I know its a stupid question for who understands better eletricity... But can I use a multimeter with the 3 wires to check wich one is the ground, the positive 5v and the signal without harming the mbb right? Then I connect the signal with the ground with the resistor, right?
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Help with zero DS FZ MY14 2014 kickstand sensor fail
« on: November 24, 2023, 04:49:58 AM »so it's looking for a voltage return then? There are no variables really in it, either the thing is up or down. You are interrupting the field or you are not. What is it expecting on it's feedback loop? There is probably 5 volt or so to power the hall transistor, ok so where does it drain to to provide the signal? 250 ohm resistor might work?
this seems a really stupid way of detecting a kickstand TBH. Hall Effect's are really notorious for being sensitive and very easy to fuck up, 'ie poke a hole in the field'. This almost sounds like an intentional point of failure so they can cash in on selling the repair parts.
just... odd
Aaron
https://youtu.be/BPWa6qAlwDQ?si=DNxQbLlZV56KYxUN
Meaning this trick made on a ktm690 which uses the same sensor might work on my ds 2014 without damaging the MBB?
It looks that way. Here's another thread on the subject, where a KTM sidestand delete kit works.
https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9276.0
I can't imagine a 2.2Kohm resistor could cause any damage to the MBB as long as the leads aren't shorted across two pins by accident. That may be worth a try.
Unofficial Zero Manual references:
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Kickstand_Switch
I know its a stupid question for who understands better eletricity... But can I use a multimeter with the 3 wires to check wich one is the ground, the positive 5v and the signal without harming the mbb right? Then I connect the signal with the ground with the resistor, right?
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 24, 2023, 12:01:24 AM »Electronics is my thing. A resistor does just that, resists the passage of electricity. A full short circuit is zero ohms. A 2.2k ohm resistor allows VERY little through. 250 ohm allows little, but still would allow just over half a watt. This is potentially problematic. Since you are not going to try it, I won't go into details. DO NOT do it without more discussion. The 1k will also limit power very well and I would give it a 99% safe opinion. It will be less than 0.15 watts.
Great. Ill go for the 2.2k first then down to 1k ill update you the results
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 23, 2023, 11:04:47 PM »I fixed my kickstand sensor by putting some other Hall switch.
I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I think the kickstand switch has 3 wires.
- Power (5 or 12 V, can't remember)
- Ground
- Signal
The signal pin must be pulled down. I put a 1kohm resistor between the signal wire and my Hall switch, just to be safe.
Another option is probably to put a resistor right between signal and Ground, then it'll always be happy.
Another option is to access the MBB via the UART console and deactivate the kickstand switch.
I don't know much about eletronics... Since in this video the guy in ktm used a 2.2k ohm, some people spoke about using a 250 ohm and you say for sure you used a 1k ohm and had no problem... I will go with the 1k ohm resistor in the negative to the signal... Wish me good luck
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 23, 2023, 05:12:34 PM »I fixed my kickstand sensor by putting some other Hall switch.
I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I think the kickstand switch has 3 wires.
- Power (5 or 12 V, can't remember)
- Ground
- Signal
The signal pin must be pulled down. I put a 1kohm resistor between the signal wire and my Hall switch, just to be safe.
Another option is probably to put a resistor right between signal and Ground, then it'll always be happy.
Another option is to access the MBB via the UART console and deactivate the kickstand switch.
Exactly what I needed to read. Thanks all of you guys
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 23, 2023, 05:02:05 PM »What's the purpose? You want to be able to ride with the kickstand down???
No, I want to be able to Ride with the kickstand up, but this crappy sensor is faulty and Works at his Will.. sometimes It stops working while im Miles away from home and Activates the error 45. Im live in Mozambique, no zero dealers around and I need a fast and cheap solution
Wow, it's challenging enough to get help in some US areas, but Mozambique...ouch. I'd love to know why you chose the Zero, knowing it would have little support. Not to criticize, but I'm curious about the motivation. For myself, I simply wanted something new and different that would challenge me and be fun to learn.
Could it be that your sensor is simply overly sensitive and not actually failing? Meaning that the kickstand is dropping slightly while riding? I don't know if that's possible on your bike, but I had that happen on another brand of bike. My solution was a stiffer spring in the long run. For the moment I used a zip tie to get me back home.
I get you point. Buying a 16.000-14.000 dollars bike for 500 dollars was enough motivation to own a zero...even living in Mozambique... Moreover... We must experience good stuff before we die... Even living in Mozambique... Lol
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Help with zero DS FZ MY14 2014 kickstand sensor fail
« on: November 22, 2023, 07:04:34 AM »so it's looking for a voltage return then? There are no variables really in it, either the thing is up or down. You are interrupting the field or you are not. What is it expecting on it's feedback loop? There is probably 5 volt or so to power the hall transistor, ok so where does it drain to to provide the signal? 250 ohm resistor might work?
this seems a really stupid way of detecting a kickstand TBH. Hall Effect's are really notorious for being sensitive and very easy to fuck up, 'ie poke a hole in the field'. This almost sounds like an intentional point of failure so they can cash in on selling the repair parts.
just... odd
Aaron
https://youtu.be/BPWa6qAlwDQ?si=DNxQbLlZV56KYxUN
Meaning this trick made on a ktm690 which uses the same sensor might work on my ds 2014 without damaging the MBB?
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 22, 2023, 06:56:49 AM »Apparently so, I was looking into it when I thought my sensor had failed. You can buy bypass devices and they're pretty cheap, I think there were two different plug types so make sure you get the right one.
The sensor is the same, plug in the same.. only wires color that Go from plug to the bike are diferentes.. makes Sense sinse they are diferent brands.
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: KTM 690 kickstand bypass Works with zero?
« on: November 22, 2023, 06:53:31 AM »What's the purpose? You want to be able to ride with the kickstand down???
No, I want to be able to Ride with the kickstand up, but this crappy sensor is faulty and Works at his Will.. sometimes It stops working while im Miles away from home and Activates the error 45. Im live in Mozambique, no zero dealers around and I need a fast and cheap solution
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Charger help? (UK)
« on: November 21, 2023, 10:53:59 PM »If it's any use to you, I've got a couple of Eltek Flatpacks (plus cable, Anderson connector, etc.) that I was intending to use as a fast charger for my Zero FXS. It's the parts for a DIY solution that you'll need to finish. If you think this might be useful, I'll dig out the details and get some photos.
You Still have them?
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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: Zero FX/FXS on-board charger for sale obo
« on: November 21, 2023, 10:29:56 PM »
Will this workshop on my ds 2014 since they use the same voltages?
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