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Messages - stanelie

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Hum...

I've put my temperature sensor between 2 cells in the middle of the pack, 1 inch from the edge. I have not had issues with the temperature, even while running the bike with wide open throttle for extended time.

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The colorful drawing is the correct connection diagram using the Nissan lead batteries, copied from a Ryan on the net who did this with a Zero. I just used his recipe.

This is what I used.

The center smaller screw on the Nissan cells corresponds to the wire you circled on the other thread.


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Each cardboard tube contains two cells (3.7 volts each) in series. The connector you circled is the connection between these two cells, for the BMS to interact with (to balance the cells individually).

56 volts is the nominal voltage of a fully charged system of 14S. If the cells are healthy, this is a fully charged battery pack. If the cells are damaged/old, the voltage will sag as soon as you draw some power from the pack. It's hard to tell from just a static voltage reading like this.

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As mentioned 2 posts up, I went with the KDZ48550 , which is rated for 220 continuous amps and 550 peak, with a max voltage of 60V. I chose the version without regen, as I didn't know how the main bike board would react to negative amps (charging) being fed through its sensor.

I wish I had gotten the 72V variant, so I could up the voltage in the future and get a bit more speed (my top speed is now 95 kph, just not enough to be safe on the highway here in Québec, Canada).

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS 2011 MBB password?
« on: October 29, 2022, 08:17:54 PM »
If you wanted to keep the bike as stock as possible, and it had a few problems, there is a lot of status information you can get from reading the status screen of the MBB, and this can help in troubleshooting the bike.

For example, the battery pack sends its status over a canbus network to the MBB, and you can see all the cells voltage as well as the total voltage from the status menu of the MBB. The MBB uses this to make sure the battery is ok before and while riding, and to inform the dash battery meter. Also, the MBB manages a lot of safety features, for the rider as well as the bike itself : current reading from the battery pack, current reading to the motor, temperature reading of the motor, starting the fan when required, precharging the controller capacitors for a few seconds before activating the main contactor so it doesn't arc and wear it... Also, there is a bunch of calibration that can be adjusted to modify how the throttle reacts, acceleration limits, current limits...

Going your way and just replacing everything is another way to go about it. A lot easier too.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 13, 2022, 05:53:58 AM »
I doubt this is normal, mine doesn't beep, I didn't even know it had a beeper. Are you sure the beeps are coming from the controller? The only thing that beeps on mine is the BMS (inside the battery pack, there is a small hole for it at the front of the battery pack).

Hooray, you got it to run! What did you change to make it work?

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 12, 2022, 01:02:16 AM »
It means that between 0 and 2% of 5 volts, it will consider this input as being 0. This is useful to keep a "dead" zone at closed throttle position.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 12, 2022, 12:00:57 AM »
A resistance can never be read directly. If we take a pot, for example, one would connect the resistance to ground and V+ rail, and the wiper would swipe between those, outputting a variable voltage. The way I understant it, the MBB emulates this voltage output. So, it is still correct to attach this to the "resistance" reading of the kelly controller. The difference is that the V+ voltage that would normally be attached to the pot is not there, as the voltage is supplied by the MBB directly.

I will confirm this soon, but I am pretty sure I set my controller to "0-5Ko" input mode, even if the MBB outputs a voltage, and this works for me.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 04, 2022, 06:25:28 AM »
No, I'm not sure. But it might have been 0-5 volts. I am sure it was not 1-4 volts though.

Are you able to talk to the controller with the Kelly config program while it is hooked up to the motor? I was not able to yesterday...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 03, 2022, 11:59:54 PM »
Is the throttle sensor type set to 0-5ko? This is what I used.
Throttle starting effective position set to 4 or 5,
ending position at 90%,
control mode to torque,
power on high pedal disable to "enable",
releasing brake... to "disable"...

Those are the settings I used, from memory...

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS 2011 speed limit?
« on: October 03, 2022, 03:44:29 AM »
Hi richard230.
I have swapped out the old defective battery for a newer Nissan Leaf pack, following a recipe that's floating around on the forums. As far as I can tell, it's the exact same chemistry, voltage, number of cells in series, and just a bit less total AH.  Any other ideas?
Thanks!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS 2011 speed limit?
« on: October 03, 2022, 12:27:28 AM »
Hi.
So, I lifted the rear wheel and twisted the throttle, the speedometer maxed out at 120 km/h. So, there doesn't seem to be a software limit on the speed. I am still only getting a max speed of about 98 km/h. Any ideas where the limit could be? Battery voltage sag? Motor too old?
Thanks!

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: October 03, 2022, 12:25:37 AM »
Well, I tried to connect to the controller today and it did not work. I think I recall reading something about Kelly Controller that it won't connect to serial if the motor is hooked up to it.
In about two month, I will retire this bike for the winter and I also plan on enlarging the battery, so, I will disassemble it and try to connect to it then.
Sorry for the wait.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: September 22, 2022, 07:36:35 AM »
Hi.

I don't know when I will be able to look into this, but in the meantime, here is a picture I took a while back of the connection I made with the Kelly cable and the zero. I hope it helps.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older / Re: Zero DS battery replacement
« on: September 21, 2022, 08:11:45 AM »
Ground.

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