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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Chain Conversion Kit Recall
« on: November 04, 2023, 01:24:06 AM »
Zero has recalled the Chain Conversion Kit they offer for their bikes. Specifically the instructions:

Recall SV-RCL-023-014/ NHTSA Recall #23E-074
 
November 3, 2023

Dear Zero Motorcycle Owner,

This notice is being sent in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act.
 
Zero Motorcycles has determined that aftermarket chain kits 10-08127 and 10-08140 were shipped with incorrect installation instructions. While Zero has no reason to believe that chain kits 10-08127 and 10-08140 were themselves defective, Zero has discovered that by installing them in accordance with the incorrect instructions, it is possible that the retention compound which secures the motor shaft’s target magnet could have been compromised on any motorcycle upon which a 10-08127 or 10-08140 chain kit was installed by a non-factory service facility (i.e., a dealer or a customer). This, in turn, could cause the target magnet to move, which could cause the motor to respond unexpectedly to throttle input, including but not limited to potentially switching to reverse without the rider’s knowledge, thereby causing a crash.

We strongly urge you to contact your Zero Motorcycles dealer to make arrangements to have the appropriate service performed as soon as possible. Should you choose to ride your motorcycle prior to this service, we urge you to be aware of this condition.

In the interest of motor vehicle safety and customer satisfaction, Zero has elected to initiate a voluntary Equipment Recall (Campaign 23E-074) to remedy this issue. The remedy is to have a Zero authorized dealer assess the mileage on each potentially affected motorcycle. If it is determined that the chain kit installed on the affected motorcycle has a minimum of 5,000 vehicle miles since installation without experiencing any of the throttle response issues described above, Zero has 
determined there is no need for any corrective action. However, if it is determined that the chain kit installed on the affected motorcycle has fewer than 5,000 vehicle miles, or if the chain kit mileage cannot be determined, or if the affected motorcycle regardless of mileage has experienced any throttle response issues, the Zero authorized dealer should replace the motor of the affected motorcycle with a new motor which has a sprocket chain kit pre-installed by Zero. 

Please contact your Zero Motorcycles dealer immediately and arrange an appointment to have your motorcycle inspected and repaired (if necessary). If you are unsure of the location of your nearest authorized dealer, please use the dealer locator located on our website at https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/dealer-locator. The actual dealer labor time to perform this inspection will be approximately 20 minutes; however, due to scheduling, the dealer may require your motorcycle for a longer period if the motor needs to be replaced. The parts and labor will be 
free of charge to you. Replacement parts are now available for order by your dealer.
 
If you no longer own this motorcycle, please contact us at 1-888-841-8085 so we may update our records and notify the new owner. Federal regulation requires that any vehicle lessor receiving this recall notice must forward a copy of this notice to the lessee within ten days.

If your dealer or Zero Motorcycles fails or is unable to remedy your motorcycle without charge within a reasonable time, you may wish to inform the Administrator, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE, Washington, DC 20590, or call the toll-free hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); or contact NHTSA at http://www.safecar.gov.

We value safety above all else and strive for the highest standards in ride quality and experience, and we deeply regret this inconvenience. Zero Motorcycles would not be issuing this action if it were not in the interest of your personal safety, satisfaction, and enjoyment of your Zero motorcycle. Thank you for your understanding, and we look forward to a swift and smooth remediation of this 
issue.

Regards,
 

Chris M. Langlois
Director of Technical and Commercial Services
Zero Motorcycles, Inc.

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I noticed Zero posted a response to their original message. I thought I'd share it here for those who aren't on the facebook

Hello Zero Owners,
We apologize for any confusion or sense of alarm caused by our previous post concerning both app and firmware updates. We hope to clear up any confusion, but please don’t hesitate to reach out to us at ownersupport@zeromotorcycles.com if you have additional questions.

The older legacy Zero app will be sunsetting support as of today, meaning it will no longer be accessible for download in the App Store or Google Play Store, nor will it receive another update. One point we want to correct & clarify is that you do not need to take action regarding updates today, we simply want to inform you about the legacy app’s retirement and the brighter future coming of seamless firmware updates for all Zero owners.

In about one week we’re releasing version 2.8.0 of the Zero Motorcycles NextGen app. This app will offer fully integrated features for both Cypher II and Cypher III owners, including the functionality for Cypher II users (on both iOS and Android) to push firmware updates via the app.

In order for Cypher II users to be able to utilize app based firmware updates in the future, they’ll need to have the next firmware update (expected in September) installed. This release will be MBB version 37, BMS version 45, which will need to be completed by your dealer. This will be the last time a Cypher II owner’s firmware will require a dealer visit, because once completed, all future firmware revisions will be accessible via the NextGen app.

Moving to one app is going to allow Zero to more accurately direct resources to ensure ALL owners have a continually improving experience. We'll be sure to update you here as soon as NextGen version 2.8.0 is live.
Thank you for your patience and continued support!

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Buy Sell Trade / Re: 2021 zero fx 800 miles parting out.
« on: September 27, 2023, 07:13:28 AM »
Who parts out a brand new vehicle?

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The way I understand it is the old app will still work, but won't push any firmware updates.
So you will need the latest firmware for the Cypher II bikes to enable or allow firmware updates from the Next Gen App.
The Next Gen App version I have is 2.8.0
The picture they posted just adds confusion so I'll ignore it.

I didn't plan on doing any firmware updates to my FX as it works fine. But I still made an appointment with the dealer anyways. I didn't want to lock myself out of the new app if I do run into problems in the future. Any company's app support is questionable as time goes on.

The dealer flashed the latest firmware to my bike:
MBB version 37
BMS version 44

Zero's website with Firmware info only shows 36 and 43 as the latest versions available for the Cypher II bikes.

When I check the firmware information on the Next Gen App, it tells me the firmware is out of date and to see the dealer as soon as possible  ::)

The bike still operates as it always did, however I swear the motor isn't as buzzy as it used to be, and the throttle roll-on in sport mode seems to be more responsive. Butt dyno could just be out of calibration though.... ;D
Also it seems the motor temp reads higher. Normally it would be just under 80f whenever I pulled it out of the garage. Now it seems to be closer to 95f. I would have expected the motor temp to be whatever the garage temp is when I first pull it out for the day, but that was never really the case to begin with.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Zero Next Gen App Update. Old App Retired
« on: September 20, 2023, 12:42:27 PM »
I was made aware of this message from Zero on the Discord regarding the Cypher II bikes and Next Gen App.
I noticed it hasn't been mentioned on this forum, so I found the post from the Elektroroller Forum in Germany and will share it here:
Original Post Dated: August 30, 2023


Hello Zero Owners,


In about one week, NextGen app version 2.8.0 will be released with full functionality for ALL Zero models. This is a particularly important update for Cypher II Zero owners (FX, FXE, S, DS, DSR) to pay attention to.

If you own a Cypher II model and have not updated the firmware on your bike, now is the time. The older legacy Zero app will be permanently retired August 31, 2023, and in order to be eligible for future firmware updates through the new NextGen app, you will need to have the most recent app version (2.7.2) installed. Failure to complete this prior to August 31 means you will be required to visit a local dealer to manually update your MBB/BMU/BMS firmware to the latest version to ensure future firmware update eligibility through the NextGen app.


This newest app version addresses the following bug fix and concerns:

• Restores firmware update functionality for Cypher II bikes (with eligible firmware) from the app (explained above).

• Significant improvement to firmware updates for Cypher III bikes.

• Improvements to Cypher upgrade systems.

• Updated urls of Privacy Policy in stores.

• Refinements in custom ride modes.

• Bug fixes and improvements.


This app version will go live for both Android and iOS users.

Please contact us at ownersupport@zeromotorcycles.com if you have any questions.


Thank you for your continued support!

Original Post:
https://www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=37309

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My '22 FX couldn't be updated through the app as well, I got the same error.
It's my understanding that Zero will discontinue use of their app and move all functions over to the Next Gen App.

The bike's firmware needed to be updated for it to communicate and work with the Next Gen App properly.
I hadn't planned on doing an update since everything was working great and I haven't had a single issue.

But, I made an appointment anyways and took it to my dealer. They flashed the newest firmware versions and everything still works fine.
I almost want to say the motor sounds quieter, but it's probably just me.

The Next Gen App can connect to my bike and everything seems to work. When I checked the firmware section the app tells me the bike needs an update and to contact the dealer. ::)
The new versions currently installed on the bike are MBB: 37 and BMS: 44
Dealer told me those are the latest versions, but Zero's website doesn't appear to be up to date with that info.

I'm sure they are the latest versions for the FX, but maybe they aren't available for an update through the app yet?


This is the message from Zero about the matter. I copied it from the link posted below on the Elektroroller Forum
Quote
Hello Zero Owners,


In about one week, NextGen app version 2.8.0 will be released with full functionality for ALL Zero models. This is a particularly important update for Cypher II Zero owners (FX, FXE, S, DS, DSR) to pay attention to.

If you own a Cypher II model and have not updated the firmware on your bike, now is the time. The older legacy Zero app will be permanently retired August 31, 2023, and in order to be eligible for future firmware updates through the new NextGen app, you will need to have the most recent app version (2.7.2) installed. Failure to complete this prior to August 31 means you will be required to visit a local dealer to manually update your MBB/BMU/BMS firmware to the latest version to ensure future firmware update eligibility through the NextGen app.


This newest app version addresses the following bug fix and concerns:

• Restores firmware update functionality for Cypher II bikes (with eligible firmware) from the app (explained above).

• Significant improvement to firmware updates for Cypher III bikes.

• Improvements to Cypher upgrade systems.

• Updated urls of Privacy Policy in stores.

• Refinements in custom ride modes.

• Bug fixes and improvements.


This app version will go live for both Android and iOS users.

Please contact us at ownersupport@zeromotorcycles.com if you have any questions.


Thank you for your continued support!


https://www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=37309

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Just to add. I did have the chain kit installed at first, but went back to the belt because the chain is quite noisy. Makes any belt noises seem trivial. Of course any belt noises I get are mostly at lower speeds, the chain however is noisy all the time.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: FX LED Headlight Mod/Upgrade
« on: August 03, 2023, 05:36:16 AM »
Holding up great! No issues at all with the lights.
Only problem I do have is trying to tune the front suspension, it's a little bouncy at certain points and the cut off line of the lights reflecting on street signs down the road almost acts like a strobe light. The cut off line is a little too crisp.

As for heat, There's enough airflow while riding that it isn't a concern. After a ride I can rest my hand on the housing of the lights themselves and it just feels warm. They're made from cast aluminum bolted to an aluminum bracket which is itself bolted to the aluminum on the bike. Much better than the halogen bulbs in the plastic housings. There's also more room behind the lights so the heat doesn't really concentrate anywhere.

It would be cool to get those adaptive lights I've been seeing that light up an extra portion through a turn.

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I noticed some noises and buzzes at certain times on my FX.
Mostly it happens when riding around my neighborhood at slower speeds, sometimes it's the regen, sometimes it's just the perfect amount of throttle. What makes it stand out are the spokes in the wheels.
When it resonates just right it sounds like all the spokes are vibrating against each other in the rear wheel.
I keep my belt tension in the middle of the range.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: FX LED Headlight Mod/Upgrade
« on: July 18, 2023, 12:14:14 PM »
I FINALLY got a bracket made from aluminum and powder coated.
I'm very pleased with the results so of course I have to share some updated photos.


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Great work! I'm also a bit hefty for my FX and was looking to explore options for upgrading the front and rear springs. Thanks for doing all the leg work! I'll probably just get those Race Tech parts for my FX and call it a day.
I wasn't sure where to begin to find upgraded springs for the bike, I recall someone mentioned "Factory Direct" but I never followed through with any of it. Instead I focused more on the abysmal headlights.

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From what I found online the 2016 DSR has a 50kw motor. 67 hp and 106 ft-lbs
You can probably drive around in a small car with very little features. Like a mid 90s Corolla.
Maybe finding a trashed zero and finding a way to make dual motors work would be more useful.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: MBB v25, BMS v21
« on: September 28, 2022, 04:32:40 AM »

It was ridiculous last winter. Storage mode used way too much power and I can't recharge below 0 degrees C. I don't think Zero has any idea what a Canadian winter is like.

One thing to note is Lithium based batteries just plainly have poor performance in cold weather, for charging and discharging.
If ambient temperatures are too cold or too hot while charging/discharging it could cause long term wear in the form of reduced capacity.

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Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ / Re: CCS for Zero ?
« on: September 23, 2022, 10:16:23 AM »
With the addition of DC Fast Charging we should see an increase in pack voltage, right?

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Tech Help / Re: 2023 Zero FX Z7.2 (app no worky??) UPDATE--NOW WORKY
« on: September 21, 2022, 06:16:59 AM »
In case it helps anyone in the future.
I found what works for me is first get the bike into pairing mode, then on my phone make sure the WIFI, GPS and BT antennas are on before opening the app, then try to connect to the bike. I have about an 80% success rate, if it doesn't connect quick enough for me I just close out everything on the phone, turn on airplane mode, turn it back off and try everything again. Usually works by the 3rd attempt.

When I'm trying to connect while charging, without putting it in pairing mode manually, it's about a 50% success rate.
I'm not sure where the BT antenna is on the bike, but it isn't in a great spot, and seems very susceptible to interference and metal objects nearby.

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