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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: June 04, 2024, 01:30:41 PM »
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The Telsa warranty sounds good, but isn't actually outstanding. Yeah, its 8 years, but its only 70% health. Lexus is 10 years/80%. Kia/Hyundai do 10 year/70%. Almost all other warranties are 8 years/70%

I know that other manufacturers warranties seem better, but I took Tesla as an example because there are such an extreme amount of cars (data) out there. Some of them has quite high "out of warranty mileage".

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: June 04, 2024, 04:02:47 AM »
Maybe I am just a bit concerned that an Energica battery isn’t as good quality as for example the ones Tesla seem to use.
Tesla has an 8 year / 190.000km warranty on the battery. It’s kind of a little red flag that Energica doesn’t trust themselves more than offering a 3 year standard warranty.

I am not at all concerned about the battery or motors in my Model 3. One reason is also that there are so many other Teslas out there and battery/motor fails aren’t common. The only Energica riders I “know” are you guys/gals  ;D

There is one Danish Energica for sale (he is also in this forum but can’t remember his handle). It had a battery fail after he imported it from Germany but luckily it was still covered by warranty - he got a new installed. It’s from 2021 so one of the first with EMCE/21,5kWh.

Importing an Energica to Europe? I would likely have to pay a large import tax (due to importing from outside EU). They build them in Italy and are likely already a bit cheaper in EU compared to US. There are some 2nd hand for sale in EU (some of them has been for sale for a while).

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: June 04, 2024, 12:37:07 AM »
Since some of the bigger battery + EMCE/Mavel Ribelles from 2021 or 2022 are soon out of warranty (if they didn’t opt for extended warranty)…

If someone like me who might buy 2nd hand ends up unlucky…

*How much does a new battery cost in case a single damaged cell can’t be repaired?
*How much does a new EMCE cost?

 

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 30, 2024, 08:24:29 AM »
Aaron >>

I am pretty sure I am going for a slightly used 2nd hand Ribelle.
Just like with our car (Tesla Model 3) I am simply still too cheap to buy brand new.

Not buying an EV bike to save the planet. But especially due to having owned a Model 3 LR for 4 years that has kind of ruined most of the joy of ICE (car and bike) - it’s simply too good.
I understand what you mean with the “off while idle”. It’s simply more effective…
About noise I actually think an Energica might generate the same noise as my now former FZ6 at low speeds. The Energica gear seemed surprisingly loud on my test ride (also recently saw/heard one slowly drive past our house while I was working on the front yard). As the FZ6 had stock exhaust it had a low monotone (almost electric ish) sound over it at constant low speed/rev.
Me being surprised of the kind of whiny Energica gear sound was likely because I tried a Zero SR/F a few weeks before I had a go on the Ribelle.

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 30, 2024, 04:00:14 AM »
Seat position: My testride of the Ribelle RS felt fine. Slightly more sporty position than FZ6 but I liked it.

Dealer network: There is supposed to be a new Danish dealer. I wrote to Energica to ask about it since nearest dealer on their website is in Sweden (where I tried the Energica). Sweden dealer is about 60-70 km away + bridge tax so it’s not great. Google doesn’t really get me any official Danish dealer. Maybe Energica answers me some day - just wrote to their standard mail found in website.

My FZ6 got sold today!
Weird to see it go… my first bike and had it for 16 years. First date with my wife was a backseat trip on this very bike about 8 years ago so a bit weird for her too.
I think I will not buy an Energica straight away. We are very busy with renovating parts of the house + also I wanna really feel the need to ride before before paying $$ for something that I don’t really need at all - but want ;)

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Energica / Re: Used ego+: Within battery warranty - What to check?
« on: May 23, 2024, 07:46:42 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong but, I think Energica just extended the warranty on some of their older models battery, so you might still have a year or so warranty left on it.  But still, this is a good check to make to get an idea how it's holding up.
Also, how many miles is on it?  Typically though you'd have to put about 120k miles or more on one to really start wearing the battery hard if it has been taken care of.

Aaron

I saw somewhere that you had to pay for that extra warranty!
It's like they give people a owners a chance to opt for the extra warranty that wasn't available as extra when bike was ordered from factory.

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 23, 2024, 07:41:59 PM »
Unfortunately it seems you people aren't good at talking me out of it...

What about battery/motor issues with the bigger pack + mavel setup after 2021?

As far as I understand the newer Energicas mainly has an issue with continuous fastcharging. Let's leave the keycard out of it - I have no interest in that.

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 21, 2024, 08:09:38 PM »
Regarding noisy chain:

Upwards from approx. 30 km/h the gear is the loudest part on my Ribelle. If you ask me, Energica put this spur-toothed gear on the bikes to expressly generate a sound, which I like very much (had a Zero SR/F before).

BTW, nice side effect: If you can hear the chain at 20 km/h it has to be replaced.


Yes sorry of course its the "straight cut or something" gear and not the chain itself. 
At higher speeds it's just mainly windnoise just like many other bikes.

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 19, 2024, 09:51:22 PM »
Noted about the sunday drives buffer thing.

Why the ban of EV's on a track?
The track where I had some courses (Denmarks biggest track) put up a fastcharger with 2 outlets. This was maybe 4 years ago.
I will check out (or email) whatever tracks seem reasonably close to me (Denmark and southern Sweden).

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Energica / Re: Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 19, 2024, 07:18:40 PM »
Thank you all for the detailed answers and recommendations:

I tested the Ribelle RS back in 2022 when the Mavel motor was a new thing. I have tried to just sit on a EVA and EGO. There was something about the EVA I disliked - possibly the seat itself. The EGO racing position (and bad manoeuvrability at low speeds) would be hard to get used to when I have had the FZ6 (and liked it) for so many years. Ribelle fels like it has a slightly more aggresive seating positions that the FZ6 and the way the seat is carved out is also quite similar.

Intended use:

Since we moved quite close to my workplace I wouldn't be commuting on the EV bike (I got about 3 minutes on a bicycle haha).
Intented use would be the sunday drives that I rarely did on the FZ6 (since I commuted alot on it). I would also, maybe once a year, attend a track courses or track day(s). I attended a track course (theory + obstacle course + racetrack) several times with my FZ6 and it was great.

Most of chargning would be at home. I already have a setup with 3x16A Type2 (part of CCS2) for the car. Cable is 5 meters and would easily reach where bike is parked. I know that Energica only supports 1-phase AC but it's of no concern with my intended use.
I guess most popular racetracks have fastchargers these days. Since trackdays and longer trips would only be few times a year I am less concerced about the thermal management. By longer trips I mean when I can't get home again on same charge. I know the 400 km range is for city riding and I shouldn't expect more than 250 ish for mixed (especially if battery should mostly only be charged to 80% like with most EVs).
Another small part of intented use would be occasional rides with my wife. She likes short sunday rides as passenger but she seriously hates her hair smelling like gasoline until she washed it 3 times (exhaust under the backseat doesn't help). Passenger seat on the Ribelle does not look comfortable at all but then again it's not often and would never be long trips.

"princec" mentioned the noisy chain. I agree it did sound a but much - but then again the Zero SR-F I tried was what I would call deadly silent... 5 seconds into that testride and I nearly rammed a guy who walked right in front of me on the dealers parkinglot.
I agree on the weight comments that the SR-F felt like a but more work on the twisties while the Ribelle felt more natural (again maybe weight distribution is, even though it is heavier, similar to my current FZ6.

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Energica / Ribelle - talk me out of it !
« on: May 17, 2024, 07:21:01 PM »
What's the major (and minor) drawbacks of the Ribelle?

Is it mainly rapid charging that sometimes fail?
The keyfob bug (if opted)?
Battery issues (before/after warranty expires)?
Software/Screen hickups? Many threads about issues between software updates?
Something else?

I would only be interested in the newer motor and pack
About 2 years ago I tried a Ribelle RS and a Zero SR/F. Zero was fun but just felt like bad quality - even compared to my near 20yo Yamaha.

Won't ask about Superchargers as all of them has CCS in Europe. More likely they work with no adapter in between.

I browsed through the Energia section about 2 years ago and haven't looked much since. Been busy with work + renovating various stuff at the house we moved to.
Last season I rode nearly 0km on my Yamaha. Have used it alot for commuting before we (last year) moved close to my work. I had it for so long now - simply don't feel the urge to go for sunday rides on it. Wife complains her hair smells like gasoline but sometimes she might jump on the back if it's EV.
We had a Tesla Model 3 for about 4 years now - that has also kind of pushed me further towards an EV bike.

Funny sidenote: I talked with the new site leader (highest ranking manager at work) about bikes. I saw he was riding a newer FZ1. He didn't know anything about Energica and I showed him a picture of a Ribelle. He looked at me and said: "I am ordering you to buy that bike!" ;)

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Even at 115 vac, 10 amps is fine.  For normal charging, just takes twice as long.  For maintenance charging, piece of cake!

Put the bike in long term rest mode as Morgan said but don't just ignore it, go check it once a week at least make sure things are still good, a nest of rats has not decided to multiply under your seat etc etc type thing.  It WILL make a bit of heat, even when Idle, critters like heat and may try to move in.  NOT GOOD, especially since vermin chew on wires.

Aaron

In this case the orangery is a way better opton than the garage. It will take those lil' bastards more than a few days to dig themselves in.
During day, with a bit of sun, it should also be a bit warmer than garage.

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Thanks both of you :)

I'll go on with the rest of our project!

Yes - the regular outlets is 10A 240VAC (or in reality 230VAC).

There is a possibility that wife might pull back on her offer cause it's looking nicer than we thought it would  ;D
Anyway the 10A still goes for the garage.

Picture from today (raining so took it from the main house).
Another picture from 2 months back.

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Energica / Leaving bike charging during winter - how many amps?
« on: July 10, 2023, 04:07:45 AM »
Finally finished building a 14 m2 orangery in the garden - only few details remain.
Have prepared for a domestic outlet and a few switches for light. Electric cable will be connected between orangery and garage through buried tube.

Wife mentioned that it could be an option to let the motorcycle spend the winter in the a corner of the orangery instead of the garage. If it's suddenly an EV bike then it needs to be plugged in during winter. I know that an Energica AC charges with only 3kW.

Question: How many amps does an Energica at least need for simple wintercharging?

All domestic plugs in my house are only on 10A fuses. Taking power via garage also means sharing domestic power with a few rooms in the house (fridge being one of them). I'd really hate coming home to the fridge being off for hours...
Since it's only 10A fuses I was planning on connecting the orangery to my house via 3G1,5 installation cable (good for up to 13A fuses).
I already have a 11kW/16A home charger (Type 2) for the car so the wintercharging option would only be used in the orangery..

Bonus question: Is that regular 3kW AC charging from 1-phase/16A or maybe 3-phase/5-6A?

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Other Electric Motorcycles / Re: Video review of the Verge TS
« on: January 17, 2023, 05:17:41 PM »
Very good explanation!!
But torque still has a very high impact on acceleration…
Perhaps Verge is simply within a limit on how fast it can be - even though motor has 5x torque.

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