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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: Jawbreaker on January 12, 2020, 03:50:05 PM
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Hi guys.
Just thought I'd post this here
https://energica.wiki/index.php/Main_Page
If you are someone who likes helping the community, please add to this to help the neegica tweakers and owners alike have a manual for developing ideas and passing in technical information to the users that need it.
There is a link to the zero motorcycle unofficial guide also as a guide on how it can be a parallel to it..
No obligation either.. but let's get this unofficial guide going..
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Thanks for the link! I’ve bookmarked it.
On a related note, when you buy an Energica, your dealer should be able to get you PDF copies of both the owner’s and service manual for your model. They were available for my 2020 EsseEsse9 although after reading the service manual I’ll probably leave any major work to the dealer...lol. All of the high voltage warnings don’t give me a warm fuzzy for working on my bike myself.
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Good idea! And good luck. The Energica owner's manual is more comprehensive than for Zero, but Energica operates differently as a company and the models so you'll probably be focusing on different facets.
You might want to quietly find out what issues there are with publicly linking a file owned and copyrighted by them. The Zero manual has carefully skirted this issue just to avoid giving lawyers ammunition.
The high voltage warnings are pretty serious for a reason, though. Take care when sharing about that; anyone can transgress electrical safety rules without noticing until it's too late.
I will say I do not mind that/whether this or any other similar wiki cribs from the unofficial Zero wiki structure, but I would like to see ideas for improving that structure, so I'll keep tabs on the site for this and other reasons.
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I checked on this site, and it's got a lot of spam pages now.
Someone needs to tend to the site and keep it relatively secure, because mediawiki page-stuffing is an ongoing technique. Good luck!
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https://energica.wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2
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Still filling with spam. Latest about diabetes and millionaire systems.
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Yeah, unless someone maintains it, it should be shut down... I would help maintaining but I don't have any experience with Wiki maintenance. It's obvious that at the very least some access restriction is necessary.
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found these if anyone is interested..
lets just say they weren't public until they ended here.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gATtgWO_Mz__GB1PcLkRVEHK4bzjopFh?usp=sharing
please feel free to share around.
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If anyone is interested in writing stuff,
I can host a https://wiki.js.org/ (https://wiki.js.org/) site.
I am not the writer type of guy but could host the software (already have tested a bit around and looks pretty cool actually)
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Energica.wiki seemed to have an attempt to clean up a while back, they implemented required some verification of new users, but I checked it right now and it says "This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions." at the top. I guess they aren't very Serious. Multivitamin, if you'd like to host, maybe we should try again?
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for anyone wanting to "become a dealer"
https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/
once registered.. there is a paywall per session.. so choose carefully.
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for anyone wanting to "become a dealer"
https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/
once registered.. there is a paywall per session.. so choose carefully.
How can this help us to share info, shematics and manuals ?
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https://energica.multivitamin.wtf/ atm I created it under this domain name, if you have an idea for a domain name please let me now ;)
for new registrations only some basic permissions like creation and updating of existing posts are allowed
you can contact me if you want elevated permissions like assets uploading and general wiki managment permissions (Editing Navigation etc)
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https://energica.multivitamin.wtf/ atm I created it under this domain name, if you have an idea for a domain name please let me now ;)
for new registrations only some basic permissions like creation and updating of existing posts are allowed
you can contact me if you want elevated permissions like assets uploading and general wiki managment permissions (Editing Navigation etc)
The beginning is there, hopefully we can supplement this extensively, good job !
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for anyone wanting to "become a dealer"
https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/
once registered.. there is a paywall per session.. so choose carefully.
How can this help us to share info, shematics and manuals ?
to give users a better understanding of how the bike works elecrtonically.
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for anyone wanting to "become a dealer"
https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/
once registered.. there is a paywall per session.. so choose carefully.
My understanding is that the real problem is that Energica does not make enough bikes to support many dealers. They must support their older dealers first and by that time, they have no bikes left.
They probably already have a long waiting list for dealers. Energica has to first make more bikes--a lot more!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I made this overview of documents I've found so far. Did this for Zero also in the past. https://fotoleer.wordpress.com/2021/03/15/energica-ego-eva-original-eva-ss9-eva-ribelle-electric-motorcycle-documentation/ (https://fotoleer.wordpress.com/2021/03/15/energica-ego-eva-original-eva-ss9-eva-ribelle-electric-motorcycle-documentation/)
In Belgium the dealership/deliveries is quite different. 2 years back it was very hard to find a dealer and the one I did find then didn't have any bikes, not even for testing. I had to go to the Netherlands for a ride.
Today there are at least 2 new dealerships and I've visited both and was handled very well. Both had test bikes available of all sorts. And even stock for sale. Delivery time for orders is also nothing unusual.
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I made this overview of documents I've found so far. Did this for Zero also in the past.
That sure is a good start. And Thanks! Hopefully the info grows.
BTW, I would like to know what size those those "Cotton Wheels" are that fit the Energicas (shown at exactly 2.00 minutes into the oil change video).
-Don- Reno, NV
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Best to ask Sam on facebook ;-)
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Thanks for the link! I’ve bookmarked it.
On a related note, when you buy an Energica, your dealer should be able to get you PDF copies of both the owner’s and service manual for your model. They were available for my 2020 EsseEsse9 although after reading the service manual I’ll probably leave any major work to the dealer...lol. All of the high voltage warnings don’t give me a warm fuzzy for working on my bike myself.
Is there a source for the Rebelle service manuals?
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I haven’t found a PDF version of the Ribelle service manual. When I asked my local dealer about it they said a PDF version wasn’t available but that was well over a year ago when I last checked.
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^^^ Thx. I will reach out to my dealer .
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I haven’t found a PDF version of the Ribelle service manual. When I asked my local dealer about it they said a PDF version wasn’t available but that was well over a year ago when I last checked.
Do you have a link to any of the other Energica models service manuals? Would be good enough for many operations.
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Let me dig around some of my backups. I had the SS9 service manual on PDF but that was about 3 computers ago. ;)
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Let me dig around some of my backups. I had the SS9 service manual on PDF but that was about 3 computers ago. ;)
That would be awesome! Thanks
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PM sent…
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PM sent…
Responded. Thank you.
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for anyone wanting to "become a dealer"
https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/ (https://www.energicamotor.com/become-energica-dealer/)
once registered.. there is a paywall per session.. so choose carefully.
The last I heard, Energica didn't make enough bikes to support any more dealers than they currently have, and they have to supply those first per their agreements.
-Don- Tucson, AZ
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I made this overview of documents I've found so far. Did this for Zero also in the past.
That sure is a good start. And Thanks! Hopefully the info grows.
BTW, I would like to know what size those those "Cotton Wheels" are that fit the Energicas (shown at exactly 2.00 minutes into the oil change video).
-Don- Reno, NV
Don,
I have a spare set for the Experia I could shoot to you, I ordered a set when I realised the Experia wasn't going to come with the centre stand and would take quite a while for one to be delivered. You can see one fitted to my bike in the pic below...along with the new "E-One Corbin" seat I received a day or two ago..
Smithy.
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Looks like the seat flange interferes with the charge flap? Since the flap is kinda flimsy it might still pop open…
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Looks like the seat flange interferes with the charge flap? Since the flap is kinda flimsy it might still pop open…
It does make the flap difficult to open & close...I'm working with "Corbin" on a solution. It doesn't cause any major dramas though, just annoying.
Cheers,
Smithy.
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I have a PDF for the energica Ribelle that basically came with the bike, it's the general users manual, with some maintenance stuff in the back of it.
would that be helpful?
Aaron
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I have a PDF for the energica Ribelle that basically came with the bike, it's the general users manual, with some maintenance stuff in the back of it.
would that be helpful?
Aaron
Thanks for the offer. The user manual came with the bike for me as well.
I was looking for the Rebelle service manual that the dealers get, and sometimes sell, but I am told Energica does not want that happening.
My local dealer does not even have his own copy of the service manual! A little worrisome....
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I had no problem getting both, the service manual and owner's manual in PDF sent to my email from the Energica dealer where I purchased my bike in Mt. View, CA (no longer there--now in Livermore, CA).
But that was for my 2020 Esse Esse 9.
-Don- Tucson, AZ
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hello, do anyone saw parts catalog of some sort
I have crashed ss0+ insurance will bay, but this will be probably very low amount to repair it even on used parts so i want to be prepared
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hello, do anyone saw parts catalog of some sort
I have crashed ss0+ insurance will bay, but this will be probably very low amount to repair it even on used parts so i want to be prepared
What year model SS9..?? I may be able to help with most part numbers.
I suspect "new" parts availability from Energica will be essentially non-existent.
Smithy.
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2020
I also bought crashed HD livewire few days ago - it has very good part catalog online with all the drawings, also If I put part number in google I get approximate price in USD or EUR, even my lawnmower tractor has similar catalog (stiga c300)
I wish we had something for energica
Even with used parts I dont have to describe every item or send pics, just send some numbers and get quote
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2020
I also bought crashed HD livewire few days ago - it has very good part catalog online with all the drawings, also If I put part number in google I get approximate price in USD or EUR, even my lawnmower tractor has similar catalog (stiga c300)
I wish we had something for energica
Even with used parts I dont have to describe every item or send pics, just send some numbers and get quote
What actual parts are you after..?? I may be able to help with getting part numbers at least....whether they're actually available or not is up for debate in the current climate.
Smithy.
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If you are in the states, you could always try to call them, even overseas, I hear the main office in Italy is still working, have not verified it in person like in the US but give them a call, they might be able to help you.
Aaron
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I have a 2023 SS9 bought at auction w/o keys. Looking for a service manual, and anyone that might know about programming a new key, happy to pay!
Thanks!
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i think the keys are the same as used by ducatti, and af1 in texas may have a few blanks left.
if you are not using the wireless, do you have to program them? can't a dumb key work too? because programming takes the orange key, which needs to talk to the bike to activate / clear out the old so it will accept the new one.
aaron
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This is a 2023 that uses the hands-free key. (No slot for physical key, just a button)
It's a Zadi system which looks identical to the one used on the Ducati Diavel, but who knows if it's programmed the same. The connectors on the hands-free module have 12 pins on the SS9 and looks like about half that on the Ducati unit.
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im pretty sure that with the hands free, you will need the orange key to do anything with it. it needs to see it to make sure you are the auth user trying to program etc if i am not mistaken.
reach out to energica usa, they may have a used hands free module they can send you to replace it. without that master key it's pretty much bricked when it comes to changes.
do you know the bypass code? factory default is 0000 give it a try.
aaron
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im pretty sure that with the hands free, you will need the orange key to do anything with it. it needs to see it to make sure you are the auth user trying to program etc if i am not mistaken.
reach out to energica usa, they may have a used hands free module they can send you to replace it. without that master key it's pretty much bricked when it comes to changes.
do you know the bypass code? factory default is 0000 give it a try.
aaron
Yeah, I guess the original owner didn't know about the code, it was set to 0000, so I can start the bike OK, and I can even change all the settings. I was able to reset the PIN without any issues. I had to pick the seat lock though, now I have a small string tied to the latch so I can open it in the future without picking.
I'd like to get an official key, for one, entering the PIN each time is a PITA.
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Bringing this old thread back up…
Now since the bankruptcy it is even more important to have a wiki online and working. I am unable myself to do the administrative stuff, firstly because I don’t know how and secondly because I cannot guarantee regular mainenance - but I would be able to contribute with content. And how I can see it with various posts, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of you would contribute as well! That said, I guess we can exclude self-hosting. Even if someone would do it now in 2025, tho says this person is still committed in 2026? Or 2030?
I‘m sure everybody knows the Unofficial Zero Manual (https://www.zeromanual.com/wiki/Main_Page). How awesome would it be to have something similar, even if all Energica documents like workshop manuals and wiring diagrams that have found their way into the public could be linked in that one place…
Obviously it is not that easy - because if it were it was already available. What is it exactly that makes it so hard? Is there any way of making the contents future-proof - even with no effort of maintenance like using a hosted service that is free of charge?
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for zero its usually for older models not srf/srs/dsrx
it was simplier back then, with new models software is encrypted and unfortunanetly and it need a lot of hours to reverse engineering - with small amount of bikes and even smaller amount crashed - not worth to do it :(
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I have a 2023 SS9 bought at auction w/o keys. Looking for a service manual, and anyone that might know about programming a new key, happy to pay!
Thanks!
If you have neither key, I think the immobilizer will need to be changed and then have a new set of keys to match it.
IOW, you are now probably SOL.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I was able to hack it. I bypassed the Zadi keyless module with CAN injection and provided the 4 byte immobilizer key value the VCM is looking for. Recently Demoni said if I bring the bike into the shop, he'll program a new Zadi module for me with keys, but I may just do something else such as a fingerprint reader.
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Id still let them put the new key module in, that way you know you got something that works and you got the right code and don't have to hack it every time you want to ride. What about when the fingerprint reader goes tits up? it's cold and now you have to fuck with your gloves every time you want to restart your bike. At least you'd have a key backup then, plus im sure they'd appreciate the business
aaron
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It's a good point, but I've also got the PIN code entry as backup. I've done a fingerprint reader on my other bike and it's not let me down yet. I don't ride when it's cold/crappy out, so no worries there!
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I don't ride when it's cold/crappy out, so no worries there!
Oh man, yer missing all the fun!!
ive been the only one on the track when it's raining out, or 35 degrees out, quality time!!!
IM not too keen on rain riding but being Florida, it WILL find you, so it's best to be used to it and ... fluent in it, for when you do get caught, because if you are not used to the feeling of a bike moving around under you, that's a bad time there...cringe...
Aaron