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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: aachou on December 05, 2019, 10:08:34 AM
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I'm a beginner. I purchased a City Slicker for commuting to the train station a few months ago and it's been a blast. I also just passed the MSF beginner course and plan to purchase a more powerful bike (capable of going highway speeds) in a few months. As a personal thing, I'm looking at electric bikes only.
After a bunch of googling, I landed on pretty much Zero SR or Energica Ego/Ribelle. However, I feel the Energica offers a lot more as a bike without being that much more expensive....so I'd rather skip straight to an Energica bike. The power of these bikes don't scare me because I'm aware of my limits and plan to take things very slowly. However, I've read that the Energica bikes are in general very heavy and I'm afraid it will make handling/turning tricky.
Given how novice I am, how stupid would I be to purchase an energica bike as my first serious bike? Is the handling/turning as difficult as my mind is making it out to be? If you believe Energica as a first serious bike is immensely bad, I would be super grateful for advice on other electric bikes and why
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First off test ride anything your thinking of getting first if you can.
I think Energica is making some great bikes and as a bike for riding past your learning stage you would love it.
We can't see into the future though. They are a rather heavy bike but you have to decide if it's too much for you.
The other downside is it's not a cheap bike to drop and need to fix. As a new rider you may very well go down a time or two.
Both bike companies have ride modes that can really tame the top speed and torque while your starting off.
The Zero a bit more custom but both can tame the power down.
For what it's worth my first bike was a Zero and it was a fantastic way to learn with not having to think about shifting or stalling or where the power band was in the rev range. You just twist and go.
Good luck and again if you can try before you buy.
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I think some of the really nice things about electric motorcycles are that you're not distracted with clutch and gears, but mainly the bike is a giant computer. By that I mean it's configurable to put in either insane mode (Sport) or safe friendly mode (Rain). It's rainy out here in California today so I put my SS9 in rain mode and knew that even if I were to give into temptation and open the throttle all the way the bike would simply yawn in response while climbing forward at a safe rate.
The thing to remember about all electric motorcycles is because of the increased torque it's a wise idea to pay extra close attention to things like wet spots, painted spots, or both. This goes double for things like acceleration, like after a Stop sign. The most common way I see Zero DSR owners drop their bike is accelerating into a turn after a stop.
Now, thankfully, these bikes have traction control and other really sweet amenities to protect us. So my thought is, "Yeah dude, go for it. Just keep it in either Rain or Eco mode for the first few months."
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I'm a beginner. I purchased a City Slicker for commuting to the train station a few months ago and it's been a blast. I also just passed the MSF beginner course and plan to purchase a more powerful bike (capable of going highway speeds) in a few months. As a personal thing, I'm looking at electric bikes only.
After a bunch of googling, I landed on pretty much Zero SR or Energica Ego/Ribelle. However, I feel the Energica offers a lot more as a bike without being that much more expensive....so I'd rather skip straight to an Energica bike. The power of these bikes don't scare me because I'm aware of my limits and plan to take things very slowly. However, I've read that the Energica bikes are in general very heavy and I'm afraid it will make handling/turning tricky.
Given how novice I am, how stupid would I be to purchase an energica bike as my first serious bike? Is the handling/turning as difficult as my mind is making it out to be? If you believe Energica as a first serious bike is immensely bad, I would be super grateful for advice on other electric bikes and why
As long as you realize you're a beginner, you should be fine. The dangerous part begins when you just start to believe you're a good rider, IMO.
I don't find the SS9 all that "heavy". Not much of an issue, IMO. But it does feel heavier than my Zeros. Heavy is my Harley--and there it can be a big issue if not extra careful. At least the Energicas have reverse and slow forward which I have found to be very useful. My SS9 doesn't feel heavy above a few MPH.
I would get used to the bike in either eco or rain mode. It will be a totally different bike in Urban and in Sport, it becomes rather ridiculously fast, IMO.
-Don- Casa Grande, AZ (RV)
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IMO, first real bike should be as light as possible.
The Energica would be a great second bike, but as a first bike I don't think you'd enjoy it as much as the Zero.
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It tooks 8 years to Zero to be able to offer a minimal customer service and a quality matching its marketing. So pay attention to the trust you can give to your dealer : he must non only be a seller, but someone who will be on your side whenever you will have problems (from faulty parts to being able to fix the bike if the company goes bust). Paying 10% more for this will still be a bargain, trust me !
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Unless you’re financially comfortable, I wouldn’t recommend an Energica as a first bike unless you get a screaming deal on one. As was mentioned above, you’ll likely drop your first bike a time or two (whether out riding or just moving it around in the garage). I always advise new riders to get a cheap, used bike so if they do drop it and do significant damage they’re not out a lot of cash.
Not that experienced riders don’t drop bikes but I think a new rider will be more likely to stick with motorcycling if they drop and damage a $5k bike vs a $20k bike.
Then again, I’ve known folks who bought their dream bike as their first bike, damaged it, repaired it, and continue to ride with smiles on their faces.
I guess the bottom line is if you’re okay with the possibility of damaging and needing to repair an Energica and it’s what you really want, go for it.
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My first bike was a BMW 1100RS. Also >240 kg, and I never dropped, however it had a lower point of gravity than Energica. The new Energcas have a somewhat lower point of gravity as well, but my first impression of the Eva was that it was a bit top-heavy. In daily life I have no problems, only moving around cars in traffic jams, I do a little less audacious than with the BMW.
- You can mount those nylon bushes as protectors, Dutch dealer is doing this more and more. Small damage is already expensive indeed and second hand parts are non existent yet
- use urban and rain mode a lot, specially switch to those when your're getting tired.
If you do take the Energica as first bike, do practice a lot of turns, good luck with your choice.
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I tend to agree that's a pretty big step up all at once. Maybe find a used Zero S or something lighter, less expensive and not so intimidatingly powerful. Ride it for six months or so, develop your "big bike" skills, and you'll be in a better position to evaluate your needs and wants for a long-term bike.
Whatever you do, whenever you step up a performance level, show lots of respect for the new machine. You're stepping up to serious machines now, and they will get you in serious trouble if you don't develop your skills before even thinking about challenging the machine.
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I am not an electric motorcycle owner, but feel responsibility to voice my advice. I am new to the forum, though not new to bikes. I came to this forum to learn about the electric bikes, see what people think, how is the reliability and serviceability. I have been riding motorcycles for a while, and my last ones were race liter petrol bikes (BMW S1000RR and Aprilia Tuono). I am used to high power and high speed.
When I took Zero SR/F for a test ride, I found the Sport mode to give an output similar to the Tuono. If you are not familiar with the Tuono, it is considered to be one of the few bikes that wants to leave you behind if you are not careful with the throttle and not holding tight. It will get you in trouble really fast.
I graduated to the litter bikes after riding scooters for a few years, then maxi scooter, then a sports bike... My BMW was the ninth, and the Tuono is my tenth bike.
Had I started on either of these two bikes, I am not sure whether I would be alive.
With my experience now, I find liter bikes easy to ride. They have super sophisticated electronic rider aids, and will keep the wheels on the ground and maintain traction. The problem, with these bikes however, is that a new rider is not going to be able to react quickly enough to the rapidly changing situations associated with high speed and high acceleration. They are just too fast. Target fixation, panic braking, bad line choices, early apexes, poor vision skills... these are all real things. Crashes are rarely caused by equipment failure; most are due to rider mistakes.
As I said above, the SR/F is very similar to the Tuono in acceleration. From what I read, Energica is even more powerful. And since I would not let anyone ride my Tuono, for fear that they would hurt themselves, for the same reason, I would not recommend Energica or Zero SR/F to a beginner rider.
Ihave been referring to the SR/F, when OP mentioned Zero SR. My understanding is that this bike does not have traction control. Considering how easy it is to lose traction on a high power petrol bike, I personally would want my electric bike to have traction control.
Once again, reliability considerations aside, I see potential problems not with the bike, but with the rider.
My recommendation to the OP is to start with a second-hand petrol bike, ride it for a year, sell it and then decide whether it is time to move on to a torque beast of an electric bike.
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414 lbs vs 600 lbs, how much can you leg press so you'll keep it upright when your foot slips at a stop?
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I assume you're referring to the S/DS that don't offer traction control weighing 414lbs? The SR/F is 500 I believe.
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The statement that the rider of a City Slicker CSC bike (which has moped-level power) isn't afraid of the power in these bikes makes me side with the Tuono owner above.
Energica's models are generally not suitable for an inexperienced rider. It is a track-bred bike, and I don't want to read about a horrible injury or something because someone's reach exceeded their grasp.
Inexperienced riders drop bikes as a rule, not an exception; they also over-rev bikes, panic, and get really excited sometimes beyond their skill level.
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The throttle response with regards to ‘creaminess’ and doseability of the Energica is far superior to other e-bikes, regardless the fact that they have a racing heritage, however, 215 Nm is serious torque.
Edited for nuance ;)
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I would not recommend an energica as first bike.
Even with all electronics safety features on new models, it would be too much torque, too much speed, too much weight to learn motorcycling.
As said by some folks, it would be better to learn with a smaller, cheaper and lighter used ICE bike.
You will learn how to put a motorcycle in a corner, how to avoid panic in a slippy corner, learn to pay attention to everything around you, learn how it's like to fall, how it's like to pay for reparing your bike...and so much more
and that's a lots of things you don't want to do with your beautiful energica.
begin with a used ICE bike with less power (80 to 100 is fine to me) for 2 years, you will probably fall once or twice ;)
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Even with all electronics safety features on new models, it would be too much torque, too much speed, too much weight to learn motorcycling.
Learn the bike in eco mode. That makes the bike very low toque & low speed, but doesn't help with the weight.
-Don- Casa Grande, AZ (RV)
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Even with all electronics safety features on new models, it would be too much torque, too much speed, too much weight to learn motorcycling.
Learn he bike in eco mode. That makes the bike very low toque & low speed, but doesn't help with the weight.
-Don- Casa Grande, AZ (RV)
That's like using the slow mode on a Turbo Busa.
It doesn't make it a friendly bike to learn on at all.
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Learn he bike in eco mode. That makes the bike very low toque & low speed, but doesn't help with the weight.
-Don- Casa Grande, AZ (RV)
If I had it as my first bike, i won't have been able to keep it in eco or rain... for sure
As your first bike, you will be tempted to test the sport mode once you think you are used to your bike... that's evil temptation ^^ but not safe at all because in reality, you think you're ready but you're not...
this bike is pure evil for a motorcycle noob ^^
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Learn he bike in eco mode. That makes the bike very low toque & low speed, but doesn't help with the weight.
-Don- Casa Grande, AZ (RV)
If I had it as my first bike, i won't have been able to keep it in eco or rain... for sure
As your first bike, you will be tempted to test the sport mode once you think you are used to your bike... that's evil temptation ^^ but not safe at all because in reality, you think you're ready but you're not...
this bike is pure evil for a motorcycle noob ^^
Some bikes will tend to make the operator twist the throttle more than others. And I am not specifically talking about newer riders. The lack of sound I think makes electric motorcycles safer.
One thing I read on here that sticks in my mind is close to this "you may be able to buy it but being able to afford it is another matter". Maybe they were thinking in currency or gold equivalent but I think of bodily injury.
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One thing I read on here that sticks in my mind is close to this "you may be able to buy it but being able to afford it is another matter". Maybe they were thinking in currency or gold equivalent but I think of bodily injury.
I never thought about it that way but you’re 100% correct, there is definitely the physical cost in the event of an accident.
Without knowing the maturity level of the OP, I think most of us can only provide general advice for a general audience. At the end of the day, I say the OP knows themselves best and whether they have the riding maturity (even as a beginner) to restrain themselves on an electric motorcycle (not just an Energica) long enough to properly learn it’s nuances and enjoy a long riding career.
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The final word on what the best bike to ride as a beginner is: One you'll ride.
Everyone else has covered the 'can you fit' 'can you lift' 'are you worried about it' bits.
For me, not having that fuel worry or waste worry means I can have more fun. Of course, the Energicas specifically are much too expensive and a tad heavy for me ^-^
-Crissa
PS: anyone who says electrics have too much torque for a newbie has never actually paid attention to them. Like Dom said, you can turn down the torque with a flick of the thumb. Can't do that on an ICE bike reliably.
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PS: anyone who says electrics have too much torque for a newbie has never actually paid attention to them. Like Dom said, you can turn down the torque with a flick of the thumb. Can't do that on an ICE bike reliably.
That's true, you can turn them down and ride in rain mode all the time ;) in the hands of a mature and restrained person, they are totally safe.
On the other hand, nobody in their right mind would recommend a 1000cc bike to a new rider, or a 600cc sports bike for that matter.
I would argue that the Zero S or DS are safe enough for a new rider, the Energicas are probably a bit much (though the Esseesse9 is in fact quite gentle, in my experience).
I still consider myself a rather new rider, with only about 5 years and 50k km of experience (on Honda's CB500x and Suzuki's DL650, mostly).
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I'm a beginner. I purchased a City Slicker for commuting to the train station a few months ago and it's been a blast. I also just passed the MSF beginner course and plan to purchase a more powerful bike (capable of going highway speeds) in a few months. As a personal thing, I'm looking at electric bikes only.
After a bunch of googling, I landed on pretty much Zero SR or Energica Ego/Ribelle. However, I feel the Energica offers a lot more as a bike without being that much more expensive....so I'd rather skip straight to an Energica bike. The power of these bikes don't scare me because I'm aware of my limits and plan to take things very slowly. However, I've read that the Energica bikes are in general very heavy and I'm afraid it will make handling/turning tricky.
Given how novice I am, how stupid would I be to purchase an energica bike as my first serious bike? Is the handling/turning as difficult as my mind is making it out to be? If you believe Energica as a first serious bike is immensely bad, I would be super grateful for advice on other electric bikes and why
Personally i bought an SR (2015) before taking my license. It worked fairly well, but i have had one accident due to wheel spin. Learning to resist the urge to go faster all the time is important. My wheel spin accident had nothing to do with that, and was all about stress, and could have been prevented with traction control- (i will not going further into it here).
The thing that was great with an SR was that you could dial down the power when practicing. While learning that was important. Going without gears and clutch leaves you much more time thinking. Right now i'm struggling with quality issues with my SR, and thus i'm looking forward to the day i will be able to trade up for something more reliable.
Whether you drop your first bike or not, you will learn that the bike cost more than you did expect at first. Buying an expensive bike will cost more- even if it is more reliable. The most dangerous part when riding is probably between 1 and 2 years after you get your first big bike (i believe i have read some statistics on that but i can at least attest that for my own sake), because your speed will increase along with your confidence. Finding the right spot to calm down will be important.
I would recommend testing the bike before buying, if that is possible. Going on a sportbike such as the ego if that does not suit you will be a huge mistake. What bike is right depend on your size and weight. Finding that the bike is set up wrong (to high/ low seat, peg position etc) and regretting is more costly on a heavy bike- especially if you have dropped it. However if the bike is right, and the attitude is right, i am sure it is possible to make it right. Personally id advice to get either a lighter bike than the SR (or even the new S) or get traction control. Even the Zero S has enough torque to get you in serious trouble.
On my part, i'm dreaming of an esse 9, but i have to purchase a bigger house first (family man), then start saving (sigh), but the new bikes get better every year, so i can't wait until i am ready. For my part i have realized much more about what i want from a bike after going with Zero for four years. It is mostly a better seat, faster charging and traction control, other than that i am quite happy as it is. The point is more likely that your first bike will likely not be the last you will buy. And it will likely not be the most expensive either. Good Luck!