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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ESokoloff on September 13, 2019, 08:35:47 AM
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"Let them ride Cake" ;D
Last week on my commute home I saw 2 minimalistic motorcycles in the back of a pickup truck.
At first I thought they were older Zero FX's but as I came along side the truck I saw CAKE on the faux gas tank.
They looked real light weight but a bit spindly.
https://ridecake.com/
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"Let them ride Cake" ;D
Last week on my commute home I saw 2 minimalistic motorcycles in the back of a pickup truck.
At first I thought they were older Zero FX's but as I came along side the truck I saw CAKE on the faux gas tank.
They looked real light weight but a bit spindly.
https://ridecake.com/
They want 13K$ US for that toy.
Are they basing their pricing from the HD Livewire?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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They want 13K$ US for that toy.
Are they basing their pricing from the HD Livewire?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Do you mean to imply one has to pay in full on the Livewire before it is shipped? Not sure that Cake is much of a reality for the USA. The ktm freeride did not sell well and cost less, and had a dealer network. Pretty sure some of the Cake components are from the more bicycle segment.
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Do you mean to imply one has to pay in full on the Livewire before it is shipped?
I mean the Cake is priced ridiculously high for what you get as is the LiveWire.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The costs of crashing are even more excessive. And insurance against injury depends on how you look at it. Like one other guy put in a thread being able to buy one isn't the same as being able to afford one.
As to the Cake brand it appears they have different models. They have hard corners. Anyone who has one is free to come and ride it on what trail I have access to. I have wandered around their site in years prior. They do have the parts sheets out there to look at.
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Cake (kind of an odd name for a motorcycle) received a birthday present: https://electricmotorcycles.news/cake-closes-14m-funding-round/
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Cake (kind of an odd name for a motorcycle) received a birthday present: https://electricmotorcycles.news/cake-closes-14m-funding-round/
Is this a press release or an article by Guy Salens? They likely have more stuff on the drawing board. but Unprecidented reliability? I only have needed a head light bulb not sure what precident they are trying to top.
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Stumbled upon this video of someone's first ride/impressions.
https://youtu.be/wvfkj19-gWc
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I have joined thie group because I own a Cake Kalk& and cannot find any online communties. It appears that the comments here are from those who don't own one of them.
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I have joined thie group because I own a Cake Kalk& and cannot find any online communties. It appears that the comments here are from those who don't own one of them.
Yes! You'd be the first who we've seen with one.
I know they're out there, but don't know any groups for them. You're more than welcome here, we have more than a few small electric motorcycle riders who frequent the forum.
Communities don't start until someone starts them!
How have you liked your bike? What do you do with it?
-Crissa
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I have joined thie group because I own a Cake Kalk& and cannot find any online communties. It appears that the comments here are from those who don't own one of them.
There is a sub-forum labeled "other electric motorcycles" at the bottom of the forum page. You could start a thread on that section for owners of Cake motorcycles until they become more popular and a separate section becomes warranted.
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My impression is that the Cake bikes are really neat, and really niche.
I see a lot of people complaining about the price but personally I think the price makes sense for what your getting in that particular niche. It's a bike for those who want a really high quality, extremely light electric dirtbike. It's only 152 pounds. The cheapest model is $9k with a 2.6kwh battery. Pretty in-line with the Zero FX pricing. It's all tradeoffs though. The FX is 100 pounds heavier and has 1kwh more battery. Some riders are going to prefer the super lightweight Cake Calk, and to me that makes perfect sense. Not livewire pricing at all.
It's the same audience that would be interested in the Czech Drill One (http://"http://drillelectricbikes.com/"). A very nice, very similar bike that is incredibly lightweight and powerful and blends the line between electric dirt bike and mountain bike. It's even lighter than the Cake, at only 114lb. 2.25kwh battery. Also in the 9k price range. Here's a nice video of that one https://youtu.be/B6N0L_Wn_CY
Now what I don't understand is why the Calk OR is $4k more expensive than the INK. A quick glance of the specs and it seems like the differences are minimal.
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The only difference is the suspension, the INK is fairly basic while the more expensive models have an Ohlins fork and shock. Also you're looking at the off-road bike specs, a road legal INK is 182 pounds (versus 247 for the FX) and costs $1200 more than an FX. The FX has nearly double the peak power (20kW versus 11kW) and will hit 85mph versus 56mph for the Cake. Cake say their bike will do 35km at 70km/h and Zero say 45km at 89km/h. The FX has fully adjustable suspension where as the cheaper INK only has rebound adjustment on the fork, the FX has a bit more suspension travel, and it has wheel sizes more suitable for off road riding (both handling and tyre choices). If the bike is going to be used on road then an FXS also has a superior wheel size being the standard 17" where as the Cake has skinny 19" wheels.
If I wanted a bike to ride then an FX or FXS would be the logical choice. If I wanted a bike that looks pretty then I'd get a Cake, but I'd also want a better job so I could afford the model with the shiny gold forks.
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Yeah there's no question, the FX is the more practical and economical choice.
My point is that the cake fits a niche for someone who specifically wants something significantly more lightweight. And yeah, I was looking at the offroad, because personally I don't feel like most people in this niche are buying the CAKE as a commuter.
The whole appeal of the cake is being way more lightweight for trail riding, and on the street I don't think that offers any benefit except you have to worry more about someone throwing it into a pickup truck and stealing it while you pop into a shop for a few minutes.
Again, I think the cake specifically appeals to someone who is looking for the in-between space of a full electric motorcycle and a mountain bike. Plenty of people spend 5-9k on their mountain bikes that are merely pedal powered! It's very niche and only people in that niche are going to find value in the cakes pricing. The average person looking for a well-rounded emoto isn't really the target audience. For that, in that price range, Zero is pretty much the only option, at least until KTM has a street legal version of the Freeride E-XC. (238lb, btw)
Now the OSA+ and OSA lite I truly don't understand. Purely a fashion piece that doesn't seem to bring any particular value to its price point or market segment.
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Well for someone wanting to ride only off road a Sur-ron is nearly $4k cheaper, nearly 60 pounds lighter, and tops out at only 10mph less than the INK. Still fast enough for what most people will want to do off road but for those that do want to go even faster some of that money saved can be used to upgrade the Sur-ron. Speaking of upgrades there are plenty of aftermarket options for the Sur-ron, motors, controllers, batteries, wheels, suspension. With a Cake your only option really is to pony up the extra $4k for the Ohlins.
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Seems like a nice curve of bikes, so there's a choice if price, speed, weight are your top concerns.
-Crissa
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Well for someone wanting to ride only off road a Sur-ron is nearly $4k cheaper, nearly 60 pounds lighter, and tops out at only 10mph less than the INK. Still fast enough for what most people will want to do off road but for those that do want to go even faster some of that money saved can be used to upgrade the Sur-ron. Speaking of upgrades there are plenty of aftermarket options for the Sur-ron, motors, controllers, batteries, wheels, suspension. With a Cake your only option really is to pony up the extra $4k for the Ohlins.
Sur-Ron is the value leader for the dirt, there's a good reason it's so popular. But I think it's a false equivalency to just compare their top speeds. Cake is going to have better components all the way around compared to that chinese bike. By the time you've upgraded everything on the Sur-Ron to match the Cake, you'll be pretty close to it in price. Start with 3-4k for the base bike, add a $1000 BAC controller, replace the battery for $1000-2000, replace the suspension, tires, etc. The cake makes more sense for people who just want to buy the bike and be done. It's niche as hell, but again I think its pricing makes sense for its niche. They've only been available in the US for a short time, but I'd be surprised if they've sold more than 100 units in the states so far.
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The INK suspension is mediocre, the Sur-ron stock will perform better off road. You also don't need to upgrade the battery, BrunoPoweeer says it's good for at least 10kW and he's had 68mph out of one and said it had more to give.
I get why the Cake costs so much, it's a very well made bike (at least it looks it) made in small numbers in Sweden. It's like a mechanic watch, mechanically impressive but the performance isn't there and it can be beaten by a cheaper quartz watch. And just like a mechanical watch I see the appeal of it, it's nice to look at, to be seen on, and I imagine that anyone that owns one feels pretty damn cool when they're riding it. However if that doesn't interest you all that much and you care more about performance then it's hard to justify the extra cost for something that is objectively worse at what it's designed for.
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Yes, if you want performance or looks, the Cake bikes definitely have it. Eventually, they'll probably have better support than Sur-ron, which is why neither were in my to-buy list.
-Crissa
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Once again, compare the Kuberg Ranger specs in components, weight, power (esp. power/weight ratio) and cost. IMO it comes out on top.
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I hadn't seen the Ranger before. It's really interesting. The pneumatic seat, small rear wheel, and floorboards make it truly unique.
I definitely thinks it beats the cake in terms of value, but I don't think it'll sway many sur-ron riders since its base price is nearly double the sur-ron's cost. Looks like the one dealer they have in the US is currently sold out of everything except for the most expensive configuration which puts it in the same price range as the INK.
Comparing the two at that similar price, to me it's kind of a toss up depending on personal preference. Battery is pretty close 2.3kwh vs 2.6. Cakes is slightly bigger.
Top speed cake claims 56 ranger claims 50. Cake is 9.5k, Ranger is 8.8k. Ranger does call their bike "14kw" while cake claims 11kw, but we don't know enough to figure how that translates to the real world. How long does each bike sustain their peak kw output? What is their max continuous kw output?
Seems to me you get marginally better performance from the Cake for $700 more, or lighter weight and a very unique ride from the Ranger. I think it's going to take a very particular kind of rider to be really sold on the hybrid scooter/dirtbike concept, but as stated the cake is already niche as heck.
Big upside is that Kuberg actually has a dealership in California, Cake seemingly has no US distributors and will just ship you a bike with no local support.