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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: gt13013 on August 14, 2018, 06:07:44 AM
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Today I made my FXS fall on the right side while parking on a rocky place.
I was stopped when the bike fell.
1) But as soon as the bike fell, the rear wheel started to spin fast, while the throttle grip was cut off.
2) I immediately turned off the engine at the circuit breaker (or "motor stop switch") at the right side of the handlebar, but the engine continued to run.
The engine stopped only when I turned off the ignition key.
Points 1) and 2) seem abnormal to me.
Can someone give an explanation?
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On my 2013 S the kill switch stop working and would not turn off the engine. Except the one time I left it in the off position and I hit a bump and my bike shut off on me. When I took my bike in for the battery recall zero replaced the switch and then it was fine. My bike did fall on its right side too before the kill switch died.
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Reference:
https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Unofficial_Service_Manual#Kill_Switch
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Thanks
I am presently on holidays. I will try to diagnose the problem later...
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Today I made my FXS fall on the right side while parking on a rocky place.
I was stopped when the bike fell.
1) But as soon as the bike fell, the rear wheel started to spin fast, while the throttle grip was cut off.
2) I immediately turned off the engine at the circuit breaker (or "motor stop switch") at the right side of the handlebar, but the engine continued to run.
The engine stopped only when I turned off the ignition key.
Points 1) and 2) seem abnormal to me.
Can someone give an explanation?
This reminds me of what happened to Shadow in this forum. After a ride on a bumpy road, his kill switch would not work when the motor ran out of control. Very dangerous. But the problem was inside the motor itself, which was replaced under warranty.
IMO, it seems rather stupid and dangerous for a kill switch to work by data instead of really shutting the entire bike down, as the ignition key does.
-Don- Cottonwood, AZ
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For information, here is the log :
04121 08/13/2018 16:44:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 28C, PackSOC: 65%, Vpack:103.683V, MotAmps: 91, BattAmps: 18, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 59C, CtrlTemp: 29C, AmbTemp: 21C, MotRPM: 602, Odo: 7448km
04122 08/13/2018 16:45:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 28C, PackSOC: 64%, Vpack:103.119V, MotAmps: 84, BattAmps: 26, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 62C, CtrlTemp: 30C, AmbTemp: 21C, MotRPM: 971, Odo: 7448km
04123 08/13/2018 16:46:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 28C, PackSOC: 63%, Vpack:102.975V, MotAmps: 71, BattAmps: 26, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 64C, CtrlTemp: 31C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1144, Odo: 7449km
04124 08/13/2018 16:47:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 28C, PackSOC: 62%, Vpack:102.813V, MotAmps: 67, BattAmps: 29, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 62C, CtrlTemp: 30C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1409, Odo: 7449km
04125 08/13/2018 16:48:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 28C, PackSOC: 61%, Vpack: 102.66V, MotAmps: 78, BattAmps: 31, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 61C, CtrlTemp: 30C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1246, Odo: 7450km
04126 08/13/2018 16:49:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 60%, Vpack:103.437V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 2, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 59C, CtrlTemp: 29C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1231, Odo: 7450km
04127 08/13/2018 16:49:49 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 505 A (97%), MinCell: 3669mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
04128 08/13/2018 16:50:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack:102.088V, MotAmps: 77, BattAmps: 32, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 60C, CtrlTemp: 30C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1299, Odo: 7450km
04129 08/13/2018 16:50:49 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 487 A (93%), MinCell: 3636mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
04130 08/13/2018 16:51:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack:102.782V, MotAmps: 29, BattAmps: 13, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 60C, CtrlTemp: 29C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1206, Odo: 7451km
04131 08/13/2018 16:51:49 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 492 A (94%), MinCell: 3660mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
04132 08/13/2018 16:52:49 Riding PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.054V, MotAmps: 46, BattAmps: 10, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 56C, CtrlTemp: 27C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 609, Odo: 7451km
04133 08/13/2018 16:52:49 Batt Dischg Cur Limited 498 A (95%), MinCell: 3676mV, MaxPackTemp: 28C
04134 08/13/2018 16:53:34 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
04135 08/13/2018 16:53:34 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
04136 08/13/2018 16:53:37 ABS SILA reporting an error
>>>>>>>> I think that the problem occurred here >>>>>>>>>
04137 08/13/2018 16:53:40 Power Off Key Switch
04138 08/13/2018 16:53:40 Sevcon Turned Off
04139 08/13/2018 16:53:40 Module 00 vmod: 103.311V, batt curr: 1A
04140 08/13/2018 16:53:40 Module 01 vmod: 103.329V, batt curr: 1A
04141 08/13/2018 16:53:40 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04142 08/13/2018 16:53:40 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04143 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
04144 0 Power On Key Switch
04145 0 Key On
04146 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
04147 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04148 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04149 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
04150 0 Power On Key Switch
04151 0 Key On
04152 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
04153 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04154 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04155 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
04156 0 Module 01 serial: 16sg2639, vmod: 103.636V
04157 08/13/2018 16:42:28 Module 00 CAN Link Up
04158 08/13/2018 16:42:28 Module 00 serial: 16sg2754, vmod: 103.588V
04159 08/13/2018 16:54:59 Sevcon Turned On
04160 08/13/2018 16:55:00 CAN1 ACK error. count=1
04161 08/13/2018 16:55:04 Sevcon CAN Link Up
04162 08/13/2018 16:55:04 Sevcon not ready to be checked for 11kW, Disabling Bike until a battery has connected and we can check the sevcon
04163 08/13/2018 16:55:05 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
04164 08/13/2018 16:55:05 Module 00 vmod: 103.592 maxsys: 103.632 minsys: 103.59 diff: 0.042 vcap: 91.812 prechg: 88%
04165 08/13/2018 16:55:05 Module 01 vmod: 103.634 maxsys: 103.632 minsys: 103.59 diff: 0.042 vcap: 91.812 prechg: 88%
04166 08/13/2018 16:55:05 Sevcon Not setup for 11kW about to set
04167 08/13/2018 16:55:06 Succesfully configured controller as 11kW
04168 08/13/2018 16:55:06 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
04169 08/13/2018 16:55:06 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
04170 08/13/2018 16:55:06 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04171 08/13/2018 16:55:06 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04172 08/13/2018 16:55:09 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.621V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 51C, CtrlTemp: 26C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04173 08/13/2018 16:56:09 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack: 103.65V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 54C, CtrlTemp: 26C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04174 08/13/2018 16:57:09 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.669V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 53C, CtrlTemp: 26C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04175 08/13/2018 16:58:09 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.677V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 52C, CtrlTemp: 25C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04176 08/13/2018 16:59:09 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.682V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 51C, CtrlTemp: 25C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04177 08/13/2018 16:59:27 Power Off Key Switch
04178 08/13/2018 16:59:27 Sevcon Turned Off
04179 08/13/2018 16:59:27 Module 00 vmod: 103.662V, batt curr: 0A
04180 08/13/2018 16:59:27 Module 01 vmod: 103.685V, batt curr: 0A
04181 08/13/2018 16:59:27 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04182 08/13/2018 16:59:27 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04183 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
04184 0 Power On Key Switch
04185 0 Key On
04186 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
04187 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04188 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04189 0 Module 00 CAN Link Up
04190 0 Module 00 serial: 16sg2754, vmod: 103.756V
04191 08/13/2018 17:11:18 Module 01 serial: 16sg2639, vmod: 103.794V
04192 08/13/2018 17:11:18 Module 01 CAN Link Up
04193 08/13/2018 17:11:18 Sevcon Turned On
04194 08/13/2018 17:11:19 CAN1 ACK error. count=1
04195 08/13/2018 17:11:23 Sevcon CAN Link Up
04196 08/13/2018 17:11:23 Sevcon not ready to be checked for 11kW, Disabling Bike until a battery has connected and we can check the sevcon
04197 08/13/2018 17:11:24 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
04198 08/13/2018 17:11:24 Module 00 vmod: 103.752 maxsys: 103.785 minsys: 103.734 diff: 0.051 vcap: 91.812 prechg: 88%
04199 08/13/2018 17:11:24 Module 01 vmod: 103.788 maxsys: 103.785 minsys: 103.734 diff: 0.051 vcap: 91.812 prechg: 88%
04200 08/13/2018 17:11:24 Sevcon Not setup for 11kW about to set
04201 08/13/2018 17:11:25 Succesfully configured controller as 11kW
04202 08/13/2018 17:11:25 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
04203 08/13/2018 17:11:25 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
04204 08/13/2018 17:11:25 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04205 08/13/2018 17:11:25 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04206 08/13/2018 17:11:28 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.774V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 43C, CtrlTemp: 24C, AmbTemp: 21C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04207 08/13/2018 17:12:28 Disarmed PackTemp: h 28C, l 27C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.749V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 45C, CtrlTemp: 23C, AmbTemp: 21C, MotRPM: 84, Odo: 7452km
04208 08/13/2018 17:12:36 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
04209 08/13/2018 17:12:36 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
04210 08/13/2018 17:12:56 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
04211 08/13/2018 17:12:56 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
04212 08/13/2018 17:13:02 Power Off Key Switch
04213 08/13/2018 17:13:02 Sevcon Turned Off
04214 08/13/2018 17:13:02 Module 00 vmod: 103.708V, batt curr: 0A
04215 08/13/2018 17:13:02 Module 01 vmod: 103.736V, batt curr: 0A
04216 08/13/2018 17:13:02 INFO: Disabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04217 08/13/2018 17:13:02 INFO: Disabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04218 0 DEBUG: Reset: Power-On, External
04219 0 Power On Key Switch
04220 0 Key On
04221 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from None mode to Stopped mode
04222 0 Module 00 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04223 0 Module 01 vmod: 0V, batt curr: 0A
04224 0 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
04225 0 Module 01 CAN Link Up
04226 0 Module 01 serial: 16sg2639, vmod: 103.817V
04227 08/13/2018 17:28:14 Module 00 CAN Link Up
04228 08/13/2018 17:28:14 Module 00 serial: 16sg2754, vmod: 103.781V
04229 08/13/2018 17:40:45 Sevcon Turned On
04230 08/13/2018 17:40:45 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Running mode to Stopped mode
04231 08/13/2018 17:40:45 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
04232 08/13/2018 17:40:46 CAN1 ACK error. count=1
04233 08/13/2018 17:40:50 Sevcon CAN Link Up
04234 08/13/2018 17:40:51 Sevcon not ready to be checked for 11kW, Disabling Bike until a battery has connected and we can check the sevcon
04235 08/13/2018 17:40:51 DEBUG: Sevcon Contactor Drive ON.
04236 08/13/2018 17:40:51 Module 00 vmod: 103.777 maxsys: 103.815 minsys: 103.78 diff: 0.035 vcap: 91.625 prechg: 88%
04237 08/13/2018 17:40:51 Module 01 vmod: 103.812 maxsys: 103.815 minsys: 103.78 diff: 0.035 vcap: 91.625 prechg: 88%
04238 08/13/2018 17:40:51 Sevcon Not setup for 11kW about to set
04239 08/13/2018 17:40:52 Succesfully configured controller as 11kW
04240 08/13/2018 17:40:52 DEBUG: Module 00 Contactor is now Closed
04241 08/13/2018 17:40:52 DEBUG: Module 01 Contactor is now Closed
04242 08/13/2018 17:40:52 INFO: Enabling External Chg 0 Charger 2
04243 08/13/2018 17:40:52 INFO: Enabling External Chg 1 Charger 3
04244 08/13/2018 17:40:55 Disarmed PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.802V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 36C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 22C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04245 08/13/2018 17:41:20 DEBUG: Module scheme changed from Stopped mode to Running mode
04246 08/13/2018 17:41:20 DEBUG: Module mode Change Does Not Require Disconnect
04247 08/13/2018 17:41:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.752V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 41C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 22C, MotRPM: 0, Odo: 7452km
04248 08/13/2018 17:42:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack: 103.42V, MotAmps: 9, BattAmps: 4, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 38C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 21C, MotRPM:1651, Odo: 7452km
04249 08/13/2018 17:43:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:103.991V, MotAmps: -22, BattAmps: -8, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 39C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1731, Odo: 7452km
04250 08/13/2018 17:44:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:104.261V, MotAmps: -22, BattAmps: -6, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 22C, AmbTemp: 20C, MotRPM:1149, Odo: 7453km
04251 08/13/2018 17:45:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 58%, Vpack:104.286V, MotAmps: -22, BattAmps: -6, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM:1451, Odo: 7454km
04252 08/13/2018 17:46:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack:104.317V, MotAmps: -22, BattAmps: -8, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM:1628, Odo: 7454km
04253 08/13/2018 17:47:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack:104.288V, MotAmps: -23, BattAmps: -4, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM: 822, Odo: 7455km
04254 08/13/2018 17:48:55 Riding PackTemp: h 27C, l 26C, PackSOC: 59%, Vpack:104.277V, MotAmps: 0, BattAmps: 0, Mods: 11, MotTemp: 40C, CtrlTemp: 21C, AmbTemp: 19C, MotRPM:1475, Odo: 7455km
And my firmware:
Firmware rev. 47
Board rev. 3
Model FXS
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First, "ABS / SILA reporting an error" is new to me.
Both the kickstand switch/sensor and kill switch operate via signal to the MBB.
I agree that a kill switch is definitely a "better kill switch" if it doesn't rely on positive action by the receiving system (MBB), but instead interrupts the function of the final system (Sevcon Controller) as directly as is safely possible.
Of course, there's probably some way in which interrupting the controller without the MBB being *at least notified* is unsafe. But that's different from requiring the MBB to function in order for the safety interlock to work.
At some point, we need to reason through all of the MBB's known functions together into a single coherent picture of the overall system. Hopefully Zero's dealership service manual has such a thing, and if it doesn't and the person responsible reads this, consider this an attempt to persuade you.
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"ABS / SILA reporting an error" is new to me.
I get the error "ABS SILA reporting an error" from time to time.
It is also found inside the topic
Sudden braking followed by no motor/throttle response on highway[2016 FXS]
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6548.0
It is also about throttle problems, and also for a 2016 FXS. Coincidence ?
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Apparently (after googling) in the context of ABS, SILA is the indicating lamp?
Which is not very illuminating (har).
I can't figure out what the connection is, but maybe there is one.
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Weird your time goes backwards in the logs, at one point.
And I note the CAN1 bus errors.
Wish I could help more.
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Weird your time goes backwards in the logs, at one point.
And I note the CAN1 bus errors.
Wish I could help more.
You are right! I did not notice this strange "time reversal" at line 4157.
I am attaching the original log file, if it can help