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Makes And Models => Other Electric Motorcycles => Topic started by: cpallenjr on July 30, 2018, 09:03:32 PM
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BMW considering doubling production of the C Evolution by adding a second shift in the factory.
https://www.electrive.com/2018/07/26/bmw-considers-doubling-c-evolution-production/ (https://www.electrive.com/2018/07/26/bmw-considers-doubling-c-evolution-production/)
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Well, that is positive news. :) Now all BMW needs to do is to build and market a full-size, high performance, electric motorcycle, in addition to the scooter.
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Well, that is positive news. :) Now all BMW needs to do is to build and market a full-size, high performance, electric motorcycle, in addition to the scooter.
I actually saw one "in the wild" on Friday on the streets of San Francisco.
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Well, that is positive news. :) Now all BMW needs to do is to build and market a full-size, high performance, electric motorcycle, in addition to the scooter.
I actually saw one "in the wild" on Friday on the streets of San Francisco.
:o
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I probably have the only one in Washington State. Had it almost a month and have 750+ miles on it. I think it is awesome; way exceeds my expectations.
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Mods: Why is the C Evolution topic buried in a general thread? As one of the few actually available, mass produced EV bikes on the market you would think it would rate it's own thread and increase it's chances of getting some traffic.
Thanks
Courtney in Seattle
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Mods: Why is the C Evolution topic buried in a general thread? As one of the few actually available, mass produced EV bikes on the market you would think it would rate it's own thread and increase it's chances of getting some traffic.
Thanks
Courtney in Seattle
Probably because when the forum motorcycle brand sections were established some years ago, BMW must have just stayed on the cutting room floor. But looking back, I bet you could pick out a few brands on the list that should have been left behind instead of BMW. And so it goes with the electric motorcycle/scooter industry. ;) It is hard to predict which ones will be commercially sucessiful. ??? But I will agree that BMW should have probably made the cut, although you would have thought that they would have at least made an electric motorcycle by now. ???
However, I agree that the forum could probably use a little brand section cleanup by now. :)
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I agree. I would like to see BMW get it's own thread
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Admin:
please create forums for BMW motorcycles (yes c-evo is classified as a motorcycle by all regulators)
Also, please create Lightning and Sarolea forums. I imaging some of the existing forums might be better moved into a "former" or "ceased production" category, like Mission and Alta (sorry, too soon?).
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Thanks now all we need is some activity!
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Thanks now all we need is some activity!
Well, it could be my lack of observation, but it sure seems like BMWNA (at least) is not exactly promoting the C-Evolution in the U.S. market. I have yet to see an ad, in a magazine or on the internet, for the BMW scooter. My BMW/Vespa/Energica dealer usually has at least one C-evolution scooter gathering dust in a corner of their showroom, but it is hard to tell if it has ever moved and it seems to me like BMW just is not all that interested in selling them. Meanwhile, the Energicas seem to be selling steadily at the shop to the tune of something like 15 units a year, while the BMW ICE GS models, which sell for much more than the scooter, go flying out the door. And so it goes in high-tech Silicon Valley. ???
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In France they're selling 5 to 10 times more than Zero. Probably even higher in Germany. There is a strong used market too, and reviews on quality and battery life are great.
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My BMW dealer just sent me an email informing me of the 25 new 2018 motorcycles that they have available for immediate sale and need to unload. One was said to be a 2018 BMW Cevo electric scooter. That was a new one on me. ??? Has anyone else heard of this model? The last time I visited the showroom about a month ago I didn't notice anything unusual, other than the 2019 models and a single C-Evolution scooter.
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C-Evo this is the one sold 1000 per year in France
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C-Evo this is the one sold 1000 per year in France
So what they have available for sale is the C-Evolution scooter that has been gathering dust in their showroom for the past 6 months and whomever posted that model in the email that I received was trying to abbreviate its name and instead cause me to be confused? ???
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@richard230 - are you in California? That was initially the only state BMW was selling them in. Now I guess any US dealer can order them if they commit to sending a tech to school for basic maintenance. I bought mine there (Long Beach) and had it shipped to Seattle. As far as I know I have the only one in the state.
But yes, C Evo is a common abbreviation for the C Evolution Electric Scooter. It's fighting a little bit of an uphill battle here because it's a scooter in addition to being an EV. I don't see it as a direct competitor to Zero because of that fact but the performance is similar in many respects and they have some advanced electronics (Traction Control and Level 2 Charging). It's pretty popular in Europe and there is a months long wait time in France for some reason.
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@richard230 - are you in California? That was initially the only state BMW was selling them in. Now I guess any US dealer can order them if they commit to sending a tech to school for basic maintenance. I bought mine there (Long Beach) and had it shipped to Seattle. As far as I know I have the only one in the state.
But yes, C Evo is a common abbreviation for the C Evolution Electric Scooter. It's fighting a little bit of an uphill battle here because it's a scooter in addition to being an EV. I don't see it as a direct competitor to Zero because of that fact but the performance is similar in many respects and they have some advanced electronics (Traction Control and Level 2 Charging). It's pretty popular in Europe and there is a months long wait time in France for some reason.
My BMW dealer, located in Silicon Valley, has been selling the C-Evolution for about two years, with apparently little success. This is in spite of the scooter being the premium longer-range version. It was originally selling for around $14,500. Last year they raised the price to something like $15,300. But (unless I am mistaken) that is still a lot less than that model sells for in the EU.
My observation is that small, cheap, motor scooters sell well in urban areas here to young people who can't afford to buy a car, but the large maxi-scooters just don't make much of a dent in the U.S. market.
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"My observation is that small, cheap, motor scooters sell well in urban areas here to young people who can't afford to buy a car, but the large maxi-scooters just don't make much of a dent in the U.S. market."
I have to agree with you - even the ICE maxi-scooters do not sell as well here (in the US) as one would think. I for one love motorcycling and would rather go somewhere on a bike than a car, weather permitting (and this parameter has a wide range of interpretation). I was already a motorcycle commuter when I tried my first maxi-scooter. It had to be able to keep up with the freeway traffic and carry some stuff to work and store my riding gear when I got there. A scooter provides all the good things a motorcycle does and very little of the bad (engine heat and manual transmission). Switching to an EV then considerably reduced the operating expense. It's a no-brainer IF you are able to commute much of the year and the range/recharging opportunity fits the performance envelope.
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How long have you had the C-Evolution now? Any issues? I am also considering buying one, and I'm in Salt Lake City. I'm pretty sure it would be the only one in the state if I went forward. I actually emailed BMW Motorrad and asked how warranty service would work since there isn't a "qualified" dealer in Utah. They got back to me, said to wait while they researched it, and then said it would have to be serviced at a qualified dealer, the closest of which is in Albuquerque. Sandia BMW there is a dealer. Which ain't exactly close. Anyway, I'm on the fence about buying it now. I've watched all the review vids I can find and was excited about it, but the prospect of servicing it puts me off a bit. And I'm a mechanical engineer with no fear about wrenching on my own bikes. I may take the plunge anyway. So...any troubles with yours? You'd buy it again if given the choice?
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since there isn't a "qualified" dealer in Utah.
Why can't you use this place (https://www.bmwmotorcyclesofutah.com/) right below SLC?
339 W 9000 S
Sandy, UT, 84070
phone: 801-948-9161
-Don- Reno, NV
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since there isn't a "qualified" dealer in Utah.
Why can't you use this place (https://www.bmwmotorcyclesofutah.com/) right below SLC?
339 W 9000 S
Sandy, UT, 84070
phone: 801-948-9161
-Don- Reno, NV
They're my local BMW dealer for sure, and I've spoken to them a couple of times about it. But they haven't had any training on the bike and aren't "qualified" to work on it. Their service manager said he'd have no problem servicing, say, the brakes, but powertrain work would have to be done elsewhere. The idea of shipping it to Albuquerque (or California) if I have issues is kinda offputting.
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They're my local BMW dealer for sure, and I've spoken to them a couple of times about it. But they haven't had any training on the bike and aren't "qualified" to work on it. Their service manager said he'd have no problem servicing, say, the brakes, but powertrain work would have to be done elsewhere. The idea of shipping it to Albuquerque (or California) if I have issues is kinda offputting.
I would think if they are a authorized BMW dealer, whey would have to be trained on all newer BMWs.
I take it they do NOT sell the E-scooter there . . .perhaps that lets them off the hook.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The C-Evolution powertrain (as discussed) is sourced from the i3 car, and a BMW auto dealership may be better positioned to handle that.
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Sales of the BMW C-Evolution scooter are apparently remaining rather slow in the U.S. I visited my BMW dealer today and one of the staff told me that he thought they had only sold a couple units last year. ??? He also admitted that he hadn't even test ridden a C-Evolution yet, even though they have been selling them at the shop for a couple of years. :-X
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I visited my BMW dealer today
The one in MT. View on Middlefield Road?
IIRC, that's what their parking lot looks like.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I visited my BMW dealer today
The one in MT. View on Middlefield Road?
IIRC, that's what their parking lot looks like.
-Don- Reno, NV
That's right. Where else would you try to sell electric motorcycles and scooters, but in the middle of Silicon Valley? I bet it seemed like a good idea at the time. ??? Unfortunately the people there are more interested in buying Teslas than in owning anything electric with two wheels. ;)
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Too bad, they don't know what they are missing. It's 100% the antithesis of riding a harley.
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Too bad, they don't know what they are missing. It's 100% the antithesis of riding a harley.
That's what I have been saying about the LiveWire.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I pulled the trigger on a 2017 demo C Evolution! It arrived last night late, shipped from LA, and I took it for a spin to get groceries today. Easy to ride, and pulls hard from the stoplight. I plan on riding in to work on the freeway tomorrow to see how it gets along, and what my range is like. Work is about 12 miles away.
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I pulled the trigger on a 2017 demo C Evolution! It arrived last night late, shipped from LA, and I took it for a spin to get groceries today. Easy to ride, and pulls hard from the stoplight. I plan on riding in to work on the freeway tomorrow to see how it gets along, and what my range is like. Work is about 12 miles away.
The C-Evolution scooter should be perfect for commuting. My only complaint is that it is kind of heavy. Should be reliable, though.
Keep us informed how you are getting along with your new scooter. I hope you got a good deal on that 2-year old demo.
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I rode it in to work today; yesterday it was raining cats and dogs. I have a 13 mile-ish commute, with 12 on the freeway. It knocked 14% off the battery capacity according to the gauge, riding conservatively. I have moderate traffic that keeps speeds around 70 mph. I took the charger just in case, but not really worried I'd have to use it. My workplace has 3 charging stations that are always full and don't want to have to fight for a charging spot.
This is my first electric motorcycle. I have 2 e-bikes that I converted myself and have enjoyed using those. I still can't get over how quiet and smooth the acceleration is on the BMW after a handful of rides. I like the bike a lot. It gets parked next to my KTM 1190 Adventure, and I'm hoping it offloads a bunch of miles from that bike, which I would call "high-strung" in terms of maintenance (rear tires every 5,000 miles, oil changes, chain slider...)
I'm new at the embedding images thing, so I hope this works...
Here it is!
(https://imgur.com/zlzusN1)
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Well that didn't seem to work. I will try attaching an image.
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I have a black long range in the UK. It has 5K miles on it now and I use it primarily for my 42 mile round trip commute to work. Yet to figure out why they are so popular in France but in the UK there is only a few BMW dealers that are able to sell them as they have send their mechanics on the appropriate service and safety training.
I have a number of other bikes, Africa Twin Adventure Sport, R1200RT, Vespa GTS 300 and Lambretta Li. Love them all but would not think of going on any of them when the trip is within range of my C Evolution.
They are not very popular in the UK, partly due to price and partly due to Maxi scooters not being popular here. I have not seem another one on the road in the time I have been riding mine.
Torque is addictive, always being ready to go is brilliant, just roll out of the garage, ride, plug back in when you get home and forget about until the next day. Brilliant. Takes just over 3 hours to charge when I get it home from work, tyres seem to be lasting well and nothing really to go wrong with it.
I have fitted the touring screen as the sporty looking fly screen it comes with is pretty useless here in the UK weather. Also have the BMW top box, comfort seat and the alarm fitted (all the options)
Things I love
Torque, torque, torque - can beat most things away from the lights
It’s a real maxi scooter - by this I mean not just some round town commuter, it will do 85MPH can comfortably carry 6’2†me and the missis plus a loaded up top box
3 year service contract is 250 GBP, basically, other than changing the brake fluid there is nothing to touch on it
Looks are subjective but I think it looks cool
So quiet and smooth
It heavy, strange thing to put in the things I like but it makes the scoot ride really well. Not much difference in ride comfort, event with the smaller wheels, when compared to my bigger bikes
Reverse - have found this so useful
Things I don’t like
Price, although it costs buttons to run you would have to do a lot of miles on the thing to get your money back off the equivalent C650GT which I had before
Locking glove box is Sh&t, sticks all the time, been in under warranty 3 times and now I have just given up on using it.
Weight, although makes it ride well makes it heavy to push about
My nearest dealer is not quite in a return range but fortunately the dealer always lends me a bike and charges it ready for collection
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Well that didn't seem to work. I will try attaching an image.
Hey there Chewie, welcome aboard. I'm with you on the double benefit saving wear and tear on the adventure bike - I have a BMW R1200GSA and it is so much harder to force that bike into duty as a commuter, grocery getter, and errand runner. I think many people don't realize what they are missing. I noticed on the picture that you have the touring shield - that's a great option.
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Thanks for the warm welcome!
I'm pretty sure I have the standard windscreen. It comes just to the top of the side mirrors and looks like the screen in all of BMW's stock photos, with the concave top.
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I've had my BMW C evolution for almost 2 years. In that time, I have not been to a gas station once (I have two cars that I should sell)! I'm in SF and ride almost exclusively here short of the odd cross bay trip.
I have a little more than 10k on my bike and it is hands down the most fun I've had on a two wheeler. Torque, Torque, Torque!
It costs a little more that $2 to charge and I get around 65 miles per charge. I've changed to solar for my electricity, so I have almost ZERO carbon footprint! 8) 8) 8)
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You have a big carbon footprint tell you stop breathing.
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There is that 8) ;D