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Tech => Home Brew => Topic started by: wijnand71 on February 27, 2018, 08:05:45 PM
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Hi all,
Just becourse I can put my hands on another 8 of these power hungry, super small, high efficiency FlatPacks I want to investigate if I can make two European Zero owners very happy with another set of my custom build FlatPack based Quad Super Chargers solution.
Are you traveling long distances and want to recharge fast? Than this is probably an affordable charging solution €/w.
I build several of these config's last year and customers are very happy with it still. A few in Holland and a few in Germany right now.
The chargers are fully operational and tested when delivered. They will come with a 3 Phase Type-2 plug, a brown Anderson plug and a C13 cable for the onboard.
Phase's:
Ph1: Onboard
Ph2: 2 x FP1800 48V
Ph3: 2 x FP1800 48V
Total power 1300 + 7200 = 8500W 8)
Dimensions are (hxbxd) 9,3x14,5x28cm
Price is €2500 incl. shipping in Europe, invoices are possible.
Power draw is more than 16A on each phase, so 22kW chargingstations like the one's at FastNed are a must. If you try a 11kW station, it will disconnect after 20 sec's..
Please mail me if you are interested or have questions.
Pics are attached..
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Is’nt it more or less the same solution as evtricity’s charger ?
If so, it’s fast and easy to use.
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Received one today. First impressions are good and we managed to create a workaround so you can still use 11kW stations.
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Like EVTricity's charger, it may be fast, lightweight, and simple, but these chargers are not rated or engineered for vehicle travel, which means you have a non-negligible chance of equipment failure or current spike into or out of your Zero's systems.
Both EVTricity and wijnand71 provide enclosures, but I have not seen any proof of vibration damping that is engineered to minimize stress and risk of failure on this equipment, and there's no indication of dust or moisture protection.
It's fine to buy these chargers as stationary (in-garage) equipment, but taking these with you regularly on rides is risky and I don't think it's a good buy unless you're already proficient in handling power electronics.
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Hmmmm. That's an interesting statement.
I used to have 2 elteks in the topcase, when I had a crash 3 months ago due to a car leaving suddenly a parking slot. So the bike fell on the side, me too, and the elteks must have been hit quite a lot. Later, after the bike and the rider being repaired, I tested the Elteks. Still OK so far. Hope they will last...
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Hmmmm. That's an interesting statement.
I used to have 2 elteks in the topcase, when I had a crash 3 months ago due to a car leaving suddenly a parking slot. So the bike fell on the side, me too, and the elteks must have been hit quite a lot. Later, after the bike and the rider being repaired, I tested the Elteks. Still OK so far. Hope they will last...
After a spill like that, I would open the case of the units and double-check that all of the caps, coils and other heavy parts are still 'glued' down with the silicone adhesive... What can happen is the flex and tear loose from the hit. They still look connected because the stuff is around them, but they're no longer adhered. So small vibration over time will make it break a couple thousand miles down the road. If it's loose glue it down and if it doesn't look like it's glued down enough, just glue it more... Lol
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Hmmmm. That's an interesting statement.
I used to have 2 elteks in the topcase, when I had a crash 3 months ago due to a car leaving suddenly a parking slot. So the bike fell on the side, me too, and the elteks must have been hit quite a lot. Later, after the bike and the rider being repaired, I tested the Elteks. Still OK so far. Hope they will last...
After a spill like that, I would open the case of the units and double-check that all of the caps, coils and other heavy parts are still 'glued' down with the silicone adhesive... What can happen is the flex and tear loose from the hit. They still look connected because the stuff is around them, but they're no longer adhered. So small vibration over time will make it break a couple thousand miles down the road. If it's loose glue it down and if it doesn't look like it's glued down enough, just glue it more... Lol
Is there a "potting guide for dummies" that you think might work for people who want to do this?
I've created a placeholder on the wiki for now:
https://zeromanual.com/index.php/Potting
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Meanwhile both Quad packs are sold to happy Zero riders. One is sltill living in Holland and one has gone abroad to Zwitserland. Thanks everyone for the interest you showed, questions asked and pm's!
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Meanwhile both Quad packs are sold to happy Zero riders. One is sltill living in Holland and one has gone abroad to Zwitserland. Thanks everyone for the interest you showed, questions asked and pm's!
*Internal screaming*, Holland is only 2 out of 12 provinces :o
But pet peeves aside, Saturday I'll be testing my charger on a 800km trip:
(https://i.imgur.com/IGoqFgG.png)
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True, and you’re living in one of these 2 ;D
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How are the Fastneds? Did you have a good trip?
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Wonderful! The trip went very well, after that I've done 300-500km trips almost every weekend.
You can see a short recap of the trip here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bA8N-pqJ-U
I'm now away from home for a few weeks but a +1000km day is already in the works.
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Received one today. First impressions are good and we managed to create a workaround so you can still use 11kW stations.
What workarround in detail is that?
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If you have a 3 phase station, one phase is used to provide an output for the onboard. The other phases have two Elteks on them, and they draw 3,6kW per phase at full power.
A 11kW station is 16A per phase so you're edging that at full power. A lot of them can handle it but some some trip the breakers after a while. We came up with a switch that powers off half the Elteks and puts one on each phase.
You lose a bit of charging power but you're still charging around 5kW. That's an extra cup off coffee or if you do want full power with 10 minutes you should have enough juice to get to a 22kW station.
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Do you know if the Elteks would run off of DC input? I have found that some supplies will, and some won't. My Meanwells are happy to take DC, and some server power supplies I tested do, one type didn't. If you rectified the 3ph power to DC, and the DC voltage wasn't too high (should be about 400v, right?) then maybe you could run everything off of an 11kW station reliably.
I can't remember for sure, but I think the Zero onboard charger has been tested on 200VDC input.
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They can accept DC iirc, but it isn't worth the cost and added volume and weight. If you're touring there are plenty enough of +11kW stations to plan your trip around and if you're using it for destination charging charging during a meeting or something the added time shouldn't matter.
Even in the worst case scenario at 11kW you can do a quick 5-10 minute top up and you have more than enough juice to make it to a 22kW station.
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They can accept DC iirc, but it isn't worth the cost and added volume and weight. If you're touring there are plenty enough of +11kW stations to plan your trip around and if you're using it for destination charging charging during a meeting or something the added time shouldn't matter.
Even in the worst case scenario at 11kW you can do a quick 5-10 minute top up and you have more than enough juice to make it to a 22kW station.
I wish we had that kind of network where I live! I installed a public station in my town with a state grant, and it's the only public charging station within 65miles (100+km)! Being creative with charging points is part of life for me here.
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> ... Even in the worst case scenario at 11kW you can do a quick 5-10 minute top up and you have more than enough juice to make it to a 22kW station.
Must be nice : - )
Most of the stations around here are 6.6 kW. You have to find places where *two* stations are available to get even my max 10kW
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They can accept DC iirc, but it isn't worth the cost and added volume and weight. If you're touring there are plenty enough of +11kW stations to plan your trip around and if you're using it for destination charging charging during a meeting or something the added time shouldn't matter.
Even in the worst case scenario at 11kW you can do a quick 5-10 minute top up and you have more than enough juice to make it to a 22kW station.
I wish we had that kind of network where I live! I installed a public station in my town with a state grant, and it's the only public charging station within 65miles (100+km)! Being creative with charging points is part of life for me here.
Yes the population is a bit denser here so that also helps, stations have been popping up here since 2010-ish, with the help of PHEV's. Most companies have a few stations for the lease cars of their employees.
For the rest, keeping out an eye for grants also helps a lot. A lot of local governments are happy to put in charging stations, especially when the state/federal budget chips in. What also helps is if you get a feedback form or something from a hotel etc. is to make it clear that you would be more compelled to choose them if they provided charging solutions. For EV's it really is the situation ''build it and they will come.''
> ... Even in the worst case scenario at 11kW you can do a quick 5-10 minute top up and you have more than enough juice to make it to a 22kW station.
Must be nice : - )
Most of the stations around here are 6.6 kW. You have to find places where *two* stations are available to get even my max 10kW
Our AC power can be higher because 3-phase connections are the norm here.
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> > Most of the stations around here are 6.6 kW. You have to find places where *two* stations are available to get even my max 10kW
> Our AC power can be higher because 3-phase connections are the norm here.
Yup, and at double the voltage, each amp gives you more than more than 2X the watts.