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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: JaimeC on May 01, 2016, 10:14:48 PM
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Did some searching and I see a lot of posts here from people lamenting the lack of any kind of service manual for Zeros. If you recall when I first picked up my bike, the turn signals stopped working after less than a day. We determined it wasn't a fuse issue, as the same fuse that protects the flashers also protects the brake light and horn, and those both still work.
Likely it is a defective relay, but where is it? What is the part number? Is it a generic "off the shelf" part, or does a special one have to be ordered? Also, the other day when I turned the bike on, the left blinker started flashing. I pressed in the button to cancel it, but could never get it to start blinking again. Maybe the relay is just loose? I have no idea, and no information to even dig in to take a look. Very frustrating.
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Yes, you've pinpointed a major company flaw. I have to chuckle when I look at the owner's manual (2013) section on brakes. "Replace the brake
pads if either pad’s thickness is 0.053 in (1.35 mm) or less.
If the brake pads (A) are worn, replace both brake pads
immediately."
That's it. I could probably muddle through, since I've done it on other bikes. But a lot of people would haul it to the dealer (100 miles away for me) for a potentially long wait and potentially expensive fix.
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Yep it sucks. There's some awesome resources spread around this forum, but things would be so much nicer if Zero provided:
1. service manual accessible to us unwashed masses
2. user accessible software toolkit for log decoding and firmware upgrades
Sure, you probably don't want people messing with the MBB etc -- same as ECU's on dino juice machines are (generally) not played with extensively, but for those of us who maintain our own machines (either through want or need) these tools are invaluable.
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Sounds more like a defective switch than the relay; go to the dealer have them warrentee diagnose/replace it....
I used to think that the service manual should be accessible.... Meh not anymore....
Phreak. #2 ... Thats like asking an auto maker to give up the turning information to their race cars....
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One day soon I'm sure there will be a service manual, but there is a huge cost with producing this. And unlike a ninja 250 which can go unchanged for 20 years (1988 to 2007) or Chilton or Haynes manuals for cars that sell hundreds of thousands of units, for someone to take the time to write a service manual there needs to be some incentive in it. It's not Zero's job to make the manual. It's the aftermarket like Haynes or Chilton, but the quantities need to rise first.
This is why we have the forums. To help each other with simple things that can be done at home. I'll bet within 5 years, someone will buy a Zero, dissect it, take pictures, and write a service manual and then sell it to Zero owners. The number of Zero's on the road need to go up just a little more for that financial return of selling manuals to make sense. Maybe a manual for like $500 if they sold 100. But they would have to be preordered and presold I think for someone to be willing to do this, because someone would probably scan it and post it online and so that would prevent future sales and make it not worth an experts time. Or it would have to be cheap enough that everyone would buy it and not want to get it for free to make it worthwhile for someone to take the time to do this.
How many people would be willing to pay $500 for a service manual? If 100 people on here want one, I have a friend who could probably do this. He has been so busy being hired for design work, he was going to try to work less, so he raised his rates a little to $250 per hour and what happened? He got more work lol. But he would be the right guy to do it. Some of you might know who I'm talking about. He lives for physics with everything he does, lets put it that way.
Maybe someone on here with some free time could try to make one, and make it open source and then all of us could pitch in to make it better over time. I think for now that would have the highest chance of success towards eventually getting a manual.
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Why does it have to be a third-party? What do the dealerships use to service the bikes? Every manufacturer I'm aware of produces a shop manual for their dealerships (I have the BMW DVD for my two ICE machines). I'm pretty sure the servicing dealerships have some kind of information to service the bikes; they don't just overnight them to California for repairs, after all.
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The impression that I got from the dealer is,call zero and talk to a tech, they tell them "check this and that then phone us back" I think that is why its a slow process
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Zero sells 50 times fewer bikes than BMW, probably has a similar ratio of staff, and has a generation of bikes that is only 3-4 years old, so it's inappropriate to expect similar levels of support.
Ndm is referring to troubleshooting guidance, but the parts diagrams are on a non-standard system as well.
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The impression that I got from the dealer is,call zero and talk to a tech, they tell them "check this and that then phone us back" I think that is why its a slow process
OUCH! That sounds PAINFUL. I'm surprised they don't at least provide a wiring diagram in the owner's manual.
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Terry, I respectfully disagree. It is absolutely Zero's job to provide service and repair documentation. Lack of proper technical data could cause injury or death to someone performing maintenance, as well as putting a rider at risk afterwards. Conversely, there is no law requiring repair work to be performed by a dealer so anyone who could legally perform the work should have access to important safety information. I can only presume what the Zero dealers currently have access to is useable enough to consider a Service Manual, so the extra cost argument is questionable.
While the only law on the books for Right to Repair legislation is in Massachusetts with a nationwide agreement by 2018, motorcycles are currently not included in that bill. Zero may be legally exempt from providing technical documentation to their owners and independent repair shops, but I believe they are not ethically exempt.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/automakers-agree-right-repair-pledge.html (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/automakers-agree-right-repair-pledge.html)
Also I don't mean this to sound angry, it's just my soapbox as an electronics engineering technician. Pat Charger on the head for me! :)
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Terry, I respectfully disagree. It is absolutely Zero's job to provide service and repair documentation. Lack of proper technical data could cause injury or death to someone performing maintenance, as well as putting a rider at risk afterwards. Conversely, there is no law requiring repair work to be performed by a dealer so anyone who could legally perform the work should have access to important safety information. I can only presume what the Zero dealers currently have access to is useable enough to consider a Service Manual, so the extra cost argument is questionable.
While the only law on the books for Right to Repair legislation is in Massachusetts with a nationwide agreement by 2018, motorcycles are currently not included in that bill. Zero may be legally exempt from providing technical documentation to their owners and independent repair shops, but I believe they are not ethically exempt.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/automakers-agree-right-repair-pledge.html (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/automakers-agree-right-repair-pledge.html)
Also I don't mean this to sound angry, it's just my soapbox as an electronics engineering technician. Pat Charger on the head for me! :)
uhh. ditto. lol
The sucky thing is this information already exists. Its not like they have to go out and make the manual, its that they need one person with the access to the dealer information to compile it INTO a manual. Once its done, updating it is easy.
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Zero is accumulating a knowledge base of symptoms and solutions which just needs to be published online. Granting users the same search capabilities of their staff.
Zero must have some training materials for their assembly staff. This too can be made available as a reference.
A "classic" service manual may take time to accumulate. Until then - share what you have.
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Zero is accumulating a knowledge base of symptoms and solutions which just needs to be published online. Granting users the same search capabilities of their staff.
Zero must have some training materials for their assembly staff. This too can be made available as a reference.
A "classic" service manual may take time to accumulate. Until then - share what you have.
Ive said this before and ill say it again
Post a specific quesrion that you need help with; if you post can i just have the dcf for my zero.... Its not going to happen....
Same thing as the login for the dongle; some people on here have it the password has been tossed about, but if you cant show the proper knowleage to understand whats going on i side that hub; you probably shouldnt be in there....
There is way to much to go wrong on a liability side; you can instantly roach your motor, controller, electronics, not to mention if you have a serious malfunction and you have a run away setting the encoder angle or timing you could have a really bad day!!! Bikes or parts flying though your work area at high speeds....
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There is way to much to go wrong on a liability side; you can instantly roach your motor, controller, electronics, not to mention if you have a serious malfunction and you have a run away setting the encoder angle or timing you could have a really bad day!!! Bikes or parts flying though your work area at high speeds....
yeah... because having people poke around with no guide is SOOOO much safer.
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Is it any more dangerous than working on a vehicle with potential electric sparks and a tank full of high explosives???
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Is it any more dangerous than working on a vehicle with potential electric sparks and a tank full of high explosives???
yes. one accidental short can kill. Connecting something incorrectly can fry it. While not knowing what you're doing with electricity is dangerous, knowing electronics but working without a guide is also unsafe.
Meanwhile a mechanic from 1950s could work on a modern car and not have much issue.
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There is way to much to go wrong on a liability side; you can instantly roach your motor, controller, electronics, not to mention if you have a serious malfunction and you have a run away setting the encoder angle or timing you could have a really bad day!!! Bikes or parts flying though your work area at high speeds....
yeah... because having people poke around with no guide is SOOOO much safer.
Thats the point
Without the proper software and passwords you wont even get in....
You can change one little setting and the bike could WOT in reverse, you think you can wrestle the bike to the ground? EDIT: well 2, one for the encoder direction and one if you wanted a crazy responce that might set it off, the mbb might be able to fault it before there is a real issue ( if you turn on a bike with throttle enguaged it will fault). These can easily happen if some novice is in the setting playing around going well if i change the mv responce on the throttle i can make my bike faster blah blah
You can prod and poke around all you want without a manual, but without the proper software and passwords tour arnt going to change anything, if they give everyone access to these passwords and software they would be going backwards
You cant lg onto a tesla and just start changing settings
In fact i would wager money that no one in here can change and reprogram a tire pressure sensor on a toyota 2010 and up without toyota software and passwords... And toyota doesnt give that software and info to anyone except dealers.... And thats only yhr tire pressure;
You guys all want the dcfs and access to everything
Ask a specific question and im sure someone with access to "what you all beleive they have as a service manual" will answer it....
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Thats the point
Without the proper software and passwords you wont even get in....
You can change one little setting and the bike could WOT in reverse, you think you can wrestle the bike to the ground? EDIT: well 2, one for the encoder direction and one if you wanted a crazy responce that might set it off, the mbb might be able to fault it before there is a real issue ( if you turn on a bike with throttle enguaged it will fault). These can easily happen if some novice is in the setting playing around going well if i change the mv responce on the throttle i can make my bike faster blah blah
You can prod and poke around all you want without a manual, but without the proper software and passwords tour arnt going to change anything, if they give everyone access to these passwords and software they would be going backwards
You cant lg onto a tesla and just start changing settings
In fact i would wager money that no one in here can change and reprogram a tire pressure sensor on a toyota 2010 and up without toyota software and passwords... And toyota doesnt give that software and info to anyone except dealers.... And thats only yhr tire pressure;
You guys all want the dcfs and access to everything
Ask a specific question and im sure someone with access to "what you all beleive they have as a service manual" will answer it....
You're going to stupid extremes.. that toyota you mentioned doesnt have the software in the manual either. Its has a number where you can buy the software/hardware to set it with their stuff.
We're just asking for the basic layout and the part swapping stuff. The emphasis would be on how to make sure things like that encoder were properly aligned... not how the software worked.
but while we're on the subject of their software, they sure do like The Matrix.
Also for the record.. while I cant do it with a toyota, heres a list of the cars I have full control over right now:
Buick
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
98-05 Century 3.1 2 6
08 Enclave 3.6 2 12
14 Enclave 3.6 2 12
13 Excelle 1.6 2 NA
08-09 Lacrosse 5.3 2 12
08-09 Lacrosse 5.3 2 12
12 Lacrosse 2.4 2 NA
97-05 Lesabre 3.8 2 6
06-09 Lucerne 4.6 2 12
99-05 Park Avenue 3.8 2 6
04 Rainier 5.3 2 6
05-07 Rainier 5.3 2 12
04-07 Rainier 4.2 2 6
97-04 Regal 3.8 2 6
11-14 Regal 2.0, 2.4 (2.4 in 2012+ only) 2 12
04 Rendezvous 3.4 2 6
04-06 Rendezvous 3.6 2 12
97-99 Riviera 3.8 2 6
97-98 Skylark 2.4 2 6
13-15 Verano 2.0, 2.4 2 12
Cadillac
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
13-15 ATS 2.0 2 12
16 ATS 2.0 2 N/A
16 ATS 3.6 2 N/A
06-08 BLS 3.6 2 12
04-05 CTS 5.7 2 6
06-13 CTS 6.0, 6.2 2 12
14 CTS 6.2 2 12
15-16 CTS 6.2 2 N/A
04-07 CTS 2.8, 3.6 2 12
14 CTS 2.0 2 N/A
08-11 CTS 3.6 2 12
12-14 CTS 3.6 2 12
15-16 CTS 3.6 2 N/A
10 CTS 3.0 2 N/A
06-09 DTS 4.6 2 12
99-00 Escalade 5.7 2 6
02-06 Escalade 5.3, 6.0 2 6
07-13 Escalade 6.2 2 12
14 Escalade 6.2 2 12
07-09 SRX 4.6 2 12
04-08 SRX 3.6 2 12
12 SRX 3.0 2 12
12-13 SRX 3.6 2 12
12 SLS 2.0 2 N/A
06-10 STS 4.4 2 12
07-10 STS 4.6 2 12
05-07 STS 3.6 2 12
06-09 XLR 4.4 2 12
07-09 XLR 4.6 2 12
13-14 XTS 3.6 2 12
15-16 XTS 3.6 2 N/A
Chevy
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
98-00 Astro 4.3 2 6
02-06 Avalanche 5.3, 8.1 2 6
07-13 Avalanche 5.3, 6.0 2 12
98-05 Blazer 4.3 2 6
98-02 Camaro 5.7 2 6
97-02 Camaro 3.8 2 6
10-15 Camaro 6.2, 7.0 2 12
16 Camaro 6.2, 7.0 2 N/A
10-15 Camaro 3.6 2 12
10 Caprice WE 2 N/A
12-13 Captiva 2.4 2 N/A
08-09 Captiva 3.2 2 N/A
97-05 Cavalier 2.2, 2.4 2 6
05-07 Cobalt 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 (05-06 2.2 Not Supported) 2 6
08-10 Cobalt 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 2 12
09-12 Colorado 5.3 2 12
04-07 Colorado 3.5 3.7 2 6
08-12 Colorado 3.5 3.7 2 12
04-07 Colorado 2.8, 2.9 2 6
07-12 Colorado 2.8, 2.9 2 12
16 Colorado 2.8 Diesel 2 N/A
10 Colorado 3.6 2 N/A
97-04 Corvette 5.7 2 6
05-13 Corvette 6.0, 6.2, 7.0 2 12
14-16 Corvette 6.0, 6.2, 7.0 2 N/A
11-14 Cruze 1.4, 1.8 (1.8 in 2012+ only) 2 12
15 Cruze 1.4 2 N/A
07-09 Equinox 3.4, 3.6 2 12
10-11 Equinox 3.0 2 N/A
11 Equinox 2.4 2 12
98-00 Express 5.0, 5.7, 7.4 2 6
98-00 Express 4.3 2 6
01-07 Express 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 12
08-13 Express 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 2 12
14 Express 6.0 2 12
06-10 Express 6.6 (Diesel) 2 6
06-11 HHR 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 (2.2 in 2007+ only) 2 12
06-09 Kodiak 8.1 2 6
01-10 Kodiak 6.6 2 6
06-09 Impala 5.3 2 12
00-05 Impala 3.4, 3.8 2 6
06-14 Impala 3.5, 3.6, 3.9 (3.5 in 07+ only 2 12
97-03 Malibu 3.1, 3.4 2 6
97-05 Malibu 2.2, 2.4 2 6
09-12 Malibu 2.4 2 N/A
13-14 Malibu 2.0 2 12
13 Malibu 2.5 2 N/A
06-12 Malibu 3.5, 3.6, 3.9 (3.5 in 07+ only) 2 12
06-07 Monte Carlo 5.3 2 12
97-05 Monte Carlo 3.1, 3.4, 3.8 2 6
06-07 Monte Carlo 3.5, 3.9 2 12
97-03 S10 2.2 2 6
98-04 S10 4.3 2 6
13 S10 2.4 2 N/A
15-16 S10 2.8 Diesel 2 N/A
98-00 Silverado 5.0, 5.7, 7.4 2 6
98-07 Silverado 4.3 2 6
99-07 Silverado 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 6
01-10 Silverado 6.6 (Diesel) 2 6
11-16 Silverado 6.6 (Diesel) 2 N/A
07-13 Silverado 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 12
14-16 Silverado 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 N/A
08-14 Silverado 4.3 2 12
12-15 Sonic 1.4, 1.8 2 12
14-15 SS 6.2 2 N/A
03-04 SSR 5.3 2 6
05-06 SSR 6.0 2 12
98-00 Suburban 5.7, 7.4 2 6
00-06 Suburban 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 6
07-13 Suburban 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 12
14-15 Suburban 5.3 2 12
98-00 Tahoe 5.7 2 6
00-06 Tahoe 4.8, 5.3 2 6
07-13 Tahoe 4.8, 5.3, 6.2 2 12
14-15 Tahoe 5.3 2 12
04 Tiltmaster 6.0 2 6
03-04 Trailblazer 5.3 2 6
05-10 Trailblazer 5.3, 6.0 2 12
02-07 Trailblazer 4.2 2 6
08-10 Trailblazer 4.2 2 12
12 Traverse 3.6 2 12
07-09 Uplander 3.9 2 12
99-02 Venture 3.4 2 6
12-15 Volt 1.4 2 N/A
Daewoo
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
08 G2X 2.0 2 N/A
GMC
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
07-08 Acadia 3.6 2 12
12-14 Acadia 3.6 2 12
09-12 GMC Canyon 5.3 2 12
04-07 Canyon 3.5, 3.7 2 6
08-12 Canyon 3.5, 3.7 2 12
04-07 Canyon 2.8, 2.9 2 6
08-11 Canyon 2.8, 2.9 2 12
16 Canyon 2.8 Diesel 2 N/A
03-04 Envoy 5.3 2 6
05-10 Envoy 5.3 2 12
02-07 Envoy 4.2 2 6
08-10 Envoy 4.2 2 12
98-00 Jimmy 4.3 2 6
01 Jimmy 4.3 2 6
98-00 Safari 4.3 2 6
01-05 Safari 4.3 2 6
98-00 Savana 5.0, 5.7, 7.4 2 6
01-07 Savana 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 6
08-13 Savana 4.8, 5.3, 6.0 2 12
14 Savana 6.0 2 12
06-10 Savana 6.6 2 6
11-15 Savana 6.6 2 N/A
98-00 Savana 4.3 2 6
01-07 Savana 4.3 2 6
08-13 Savana 4.3 2 12
14 Savana 4.3 2 12
98-00 Sierra 5.0, 5.7, 7.4 2 6
99-07 Sierra 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 6
07-13 Sierra 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 12
14-16 Sierra 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 12
98-00 Sierra 4.3 2 6
01-07 Sierra 4.3 2 6
08-13 Sierra 4.3 2 12
14 Sierra 4.3 2 12
01-10 Sierra 6.6 2 6
11-16 Sierra 6.6 2 N/A
98-00 Sonoma 4.3 2 6
01-04 Sonoma 4.3 2 6
97-03 Sonoma 2.2 2 6
99 Suburban 5.7 2 6
11 Terrain 2.4 2 N/A
11 Terrain 3.0 2 12
14 Terrain 3.6 2 12
06-09 Topkick 8.1 2 6
01-10 Topkick 6.6 2 6
98-00 Yukon 5.7, 7.4 2 6
00-06 Yukon 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1 2 6
07-13 Yukon 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 2 12
14-15 Yukon 5.3 2 12
16 Yukon 6.2 2 N/A
GMPP
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
06-14 GM Generic GMPP E67 Crate Motor PCM 2 N/A
14-16 GM Generic GMPP E92 Crate Motor PCM 2 N/A
Holden
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
07-09 Captiva 3.2 2 12
12-16 Colorado 2.8 Diesel 2 N/A
99-05 Commodore 5.7 (including Adventra) 2 6
05-06 Commodore (LS2) 6.0 2 12
06 Commodore (L76) 6.0 2 12
05-08 Commodore Sedan 3.6 2 12
05-08 Commodore Non-Sedan 3.6 2 12
12-13 Cruze 1.4 2 12
01-05 Monaro 5.7 2 6
01-05 Monaro 5.7 2 6
06-07 Rodeo 3.6 2 12
06 Sedan 5.7 (4 Door Sedan) 2 6
07-14 Sedan 6.0, 6.2 (4 Door Sedan) 2 12
06 Non-Sedan 5.7 (ute, Crewman, Adventra, Wagon, Coupe) 2 6
07-14 Non-Sedan 6.0, 6.2 (Ute, Wagon, Coupe) 2 12
Hummer
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
06 H1 Alpha 6.6 2 6
03-07 H2 6.0 2 6
08-09 H2 6.2 2 12
06-10 H3 3.5, 3.7 2 12
08-10 H3 Alpha 5.3 2 12
Isuzu
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
03-04 Ascender 5.3 2 6
05-06 Ascender 5.3 2 12
03-07 Ascender 4.2 2 6
97-00 Hombre 2.2 2 6
06 I-280 2.8 2 N/A
07-08 I-290 2.9 2 N/A
06 I-350 3.5 2 6
07 I-370 3.7 2 6
08 NPR 6.0 2 12
Oldsmobile
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
97-98 Achieva 2.4 2 6
99-04 Alero 2.2, 2.4 2 6
99-04 Alero 3.4 2 6
02-04 Bravada 4.2 2 6
98-01 Bravada 4.3 2 6
98-03 Silhouette 3.4 2 6
Opel
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
16 Corsa 1.6 2 N/A
07-08 GT 2.0 2 12
13 Astra GTC 2.0 2 N/A
Pontiac
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
06-10 G5 2.2, 2.4 (06 2.2 Not Supported) 2 12
06-10 G6 2.4 2 12
06-09 G6 3.5, 3.6, 3.9 (3.5 in 07+ only) 2 12
08-10 G8 3.6 2 12
08-09 G8 6.0, 6.2 2 12
97-05 Bonneville 3.8 2 6
97-02 Firebird 3.8 2 6
98-02 Firebird 5.7 2 6
97-05 Grand Am 2.2, 2.4 2 6
97-05 Grand Am 3.1, 3.4 2 6
97-07 Grand Prix 3.1, 3.8 2 6
05-09 Grand Prix 5.3 2 12
04 GTO 5.7 2 6
05-06 GTO 2 12
06-09 Solstice 2.0, 2.4 2 12
97-05 Sunfire 2.2, 2.4 2 6
07-09 Torrent 3.4 2 12
97-05 Montana 3.4 2 6
06-09 Montana 3.9 2 12
Saab
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
05-09 9-7x 5.3, 6.0 2 12
05-07 9-7x 4.2 2 6
07-09 9-7x 4.2 2 12
06-09 9-3 2.8 2 12
Saturn
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
08-09 Aura 2.4 2 12
07-09 Aura 3.5, 3.6 2 12
04-07 Ion 2.0, 2.2, 2.4 (04-06 2.2 Not Supported 2 6
00-04 L-Series 2.2, 2.4 2 6
07-09 Sky 2.0, 2.4 2 12
08-10 Vue 2.4 2 12
09 Vue 3.5 2 12
07-08 Outlook 3.6 2 12
Suzuki
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
2007 XL7 3.6 2 NA
Vauxhall
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
13 Astra 1.4 2 12
07 Vectra 2.5, 2.8 2 12
11 Insignia 2.0 2 12
Ford
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
Ford Credits Unlimited Year/Model
Ford Credits
02-14 BA, BF, FG models (Including A6 TCM support) 2 30
05-12 Crown Victoria 4.6 2 N/A
07-15 Edge 3.5 (Except Ecoboost) 2 N/A
02-11 Escape 2.3, 3.0 2 N/A
06-14 E-Series Van 4.6 (Except Diesel) 2 N/A
05-14 Expedition 5.4 2 N/A
15-16 Expedition 3.5 Ecoboost 2 N/A
04-16 Explorer 4.0, 4.6, 3.5 Ecoboost 2 N/A
05-07 Five Hundred 3.0 2 N/A
07-12 Fusion 3.0 2 N/A
06-07 Freestar 2 N/A
05-07 Freestyle 3.0 2 N/A
09-14 Flex (Except Ecoboost) 2 N/A
04 F-Series 4.6, 5.4 (Except old body style and Lightning) 2 12
05-10 F-Series 4.6, 5.4 2 12
05-16 Superduty V10 2 N/A
03-07 F-Series 6.0 Powerstroke (Diesel) 2 N/A
08-10 F-Series 6.4 Powerstroke (Diesel) 2 N/A
11-14 F-Series V8 incl. SVT Raptor (Except Diesel) 2 12
15-16 F-150 5.0 2 N/A
11-16 F-150 3.7, 3.5 Ecoboost 2 N/A
15-16 F-150 2.7 Ecoboost 2 N/A
03-07 F-250 & F350 6.0 Powerstroke 2 N/A
05-16 Mustang 4.6, 5.0, 5.2, 5.4, 5.8 2 N/A
05-15 Mustang 3.7, 4.0 2 12
15-16 Mustang 2.3 Ecoboost 2 N/A
07-16 Ranger 2.3, 3.0, 4.0 2 N/A
07 Sport Trac 4.0 2 N/A
04-16 Taurus 3.0, 3.5, 3.5 Ecoboost 2 N/A
03-05 Thunderbird 2 N/A
FRPP
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
GM Credits Unlimited Year/Model
GM Credits
06-14 Ford Generic FRPP Crate Motor PCM 2 N/A
Lincoln
Year Model Type Single Vehicle
Ford Credits Unlimited Year/Model
Ford Credits
03-05 LS 3.9 2 N/A
09-10 MKS 2 N/A
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05-16* Town & Country 3.3, 3.6, 3.8, 4.0 2 N/Afrom: http://www.hptuners.com/products/vcmsuite_vehicles.php (http://www.hptuners.com/products/vcmsuite_vehicles.php)
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"The emphasis would be on how to make sure things like that encoder were properly aligned... not how the software worked"
Ugh.....
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"The emphasis would be on how to make sure things like that encoder were properly aligned... not how the software worked"
Ugh.....
you can ugh about it all you want... its your dumb example.
but the fact is some basic manual should exist.
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The encoder is all software related so you can log in and fuck your shit up.... This is why there are so many versions of the dongle
Basic
dealer level logins
Hi level some code writing
Full access
(Just like toyota you can pay enough and get the login and dongle), some on here have a dongle and password, a few have a few different levels. But that still is not the dcf....
If you were to go through with an encoder setup and didnt know what you were doing or sidnt have full access you would brick your bike.... How does giving people access to that help zero, it ONLY gives them more issues....
If someone came on here and was like hey i have a fx it started acting funny wont charge and accelerates very slowly, then upon turning it off and then
on nothing.... Some can easily go through a list of things to do,
Depending on error code if any....
Check the sand filled fuses,
Probe the terminals on the battery to check fet
If specific problems were brought up they would and mostly do get answers, if your just probing for fun then why would they let you in.....
The basic owners manual does exist. :p
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You're all going off on extreme tangents. I'm looking for a BASIC SERVICE manual, NOT a basic owner's manual. I already have one of those, and it does NOT include a basic wiring diagram, nor does it include where the relays are installed and what they control. I don't give a **** about reprogramming anything on the bike beyond what is already available in the smartphone app. But I WOULD like to know which wires in the harness connect to which bulbs and what relays control which circuits. I don't think that should be a deep, dark, corporate secret... it is basic ownership and servicing knowledge.
You know what else would be helpful? TORQUE SPECS when removing or tightening bolts! This is all basic stuff that would be in a basic service manual along with part numbers so I'd know what I'd need and what to order.
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Burton has already created a wiring diagram for his zero,, and has YouTube video to check motor encoder alignment. Software is available to change motor controller settings. Members are finding ways around Zero information restrictions. But they should not have too.
Service manual should be available, and wiring diagram. We should be able at least be able to fault find or trace wiring between modules.
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You're all going off on extreme tangents. I'm looking for a BASIC SERVICE manual, NOT a basic owner's manual. I already have one of those, and it does NOT include a basic wiring diagram, nor does it include where the relays are installed and what they control. I don't give a **** about reprogramming anything on the bike beyond what is already available in the smartphone app. But I WOULD like to know which wires in the harness connect to which bulbs and what relays control which circuits. I don't think that should be a deep, dark, corporate secret... it is basic ownership and servicing knowledge.
You know what else would be helpful? TORQUE SPECS when removing or tightening bolts! This is all basic stuff that would be in a basic service manual along with part numbers so I'd know what I'd need and what to order.
Exactly!
And since its "so much simpler" than a normal bike, it should be very short.
Since I have it here at work, here are a few screenshots of my 749 Ducati manual, Hawk GT manual, and CBR1000 manual. I wish I had the CR500 manual here, but its in paperback instead of PDF... although I could probably find it online with a google search.
I will only include a page or two from each with the kind of info I would expect with any service manual.
Simple things like:
removing fairing bits. This isnt even a great manual. its a shit Italian superbike manual with no details.
(http://fastgm.com/travis/manual%20screenshots/749.png)
fork maintenance. basic things like free length of the spring and torque specs are included
(http://fastgm.com/travis/manual%20screenshots/CBR1000.png)
the proper routing of wires. SIMPLE but important stuff. this is how to hold the wires with the fasteners on a Honda.
(http://fastgm.com/travis/manual%20screenshots/hawkgt.png)
the wiring diagram that has NOTHING to do with powertrain, its just how the entire rest of the bike works. this is from a 26+ year old bike BTW, not some modern thing. Theres an ignition box, but no EFI or anything like that.
(http://fastgm.com/travis/manual%20screenshots/wiring-diagram.gif)
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Check out the 2016 KTM Freeride E-SM owner's manual (http://www.ktm.com/globalassets/product-manuals-pim-data/dok_bike_bed_16_3213355_en_om__sen__aepi__v1.pdf)- if my Zero came with something like this, I would've been real happy.
Ray
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I was think of buying a KTM super duke before deciding on Zero. Being able to download service manual and service bulletins was a major plus in deciding to consider KTM.
I have Suzuki SV650 manual Download too.