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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: JaimeC on April 07, 2016, 07:06:14 PM
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I'm expecting delivery of my 2016 S 13kWh model any day now. Just have a couple of questions on what to expect.
1) I saw someone posting that he'd had problems washing his Zero with a hose. That concerns me because here in the northeast it is not unusual to get caught in an unexpected rain shower. Would that be an issue? Raindrops at highway speed carry as much force as water from a garden hose and cover a much wider area.
2) As the previous owner of three belt-driven Buell motorcycles I am wondering why the belt on the Zero apparently doesn't have any kind of a belt guard. I've seen several posts regarding snapped belts due to rocks and other debris getting kicked up into it. Are there any aftermarket belt guards available?
Thanks in advance. Still anxiously awaiting the phone call from the dealership.
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Hope you enjoy your new bike as much as the rest of us!
1) You'll find differing opinions about washing the bikes - ranging from don't use a hose, to people who spray down their muddy FX off road bikes routinely. I have ridden mine in the rain with no problems and washed it with a hose, as have many others. The occasional water related problem has been reported, but the numbers seem to suggest that those are rare warranty issues, rather than critical flaws that affect every bike. If nothing else, spend some time getting familiar with your new bike and you'll see that some areas are likely more sensitive than others, and that the sensitive areas are tucked away pretty well.
2) Keep in mind that many of the broken belt reports have included some off road use, which would be unusual for most comparable belt-drive bikes. That doesn't explain them all, but it is an added risk factor unique to Zero FX and DS... which may not apply to your Buells or Zero S.
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I am of the opinion that you should spray it down with the hose like a regular bike as soon as you get it. If something isnt watertight, I want to know right away. Not months later when I get caught in a rainstorm, or the warranty is harder to use.
as far as the belt guard.. I know some people on here are working on it. I personally couldnt figure out a design I liked.
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As with any motorcycle, IC or EV, you can wash your bike with a hose, just use common sense when using it. Use a gentle spray, not a forceful stream (or a pressure washer like my friend does :o ), keep the spray away from brake calipers, wheel, steering and swing arm bearings and don't shove the hose into the electrical works. If you have really dirty areas, use a dish-washing brush or old toothbrush to loosen the material after getting it wet and wash with a microfiber mitt or soft sponge using an auto washing solution (not laundry or dish-washing detergents). Rinse thoroughly with clear cool water.
After washing I blow dry my bikes with a auto blow dryer (cheap Chinese ones can be purchased for around $35 from many auto accessory outlets, or you can pay a lot more for ones sold through motorcycle accessory stores) then I always go for a short ride to make sure everything has been warmed up, thoroughly dry and still works. ;)
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Thank you all for the feedback. I never suffered a broken belt failure with any of my Buells, but my buddy who used to take his Ulysses off road did. Since I have no plans to ever take my S off road, I SHOULD be okay (but a belt guard would make a great security blanket). ;)
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After washing I blow dry my bikes with a auto blow dryer (cheap Chinese ones can be purchased for around $35 from many auto accessory outlets, or you can pay a lot more for ones sold through motorcycle accessory stores) then I always go for a short ride to make sure everything has been warmed up, thoroughly dry and still works. ;)
I use a cloth for the bikes since they're so small, but for my car I just use an electric leaf blower. lol.
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Someone mentioned "pressure washer". It got me thinking that pressure washing might actually be less harmful to some components than spraying it with a garden house. That's because pressure washers use very little water and if you do it from the proper distance, that water will not want to penetrate deep inside. And if it does, it will be in very small amounts. Pressure water spray moves fast but is of small amount and mass so it stops at the surface and then just drips down. Vs. a garden house with lots of water volume that would drench more and if there is a way to get in, more will get in. On the other hand, pressure washer might insert very small amounts of water through not so tough seams and such that might otherwise deter large volumes of low-pressure water. I'd say pressure wash most should be safe, except top of display and such would be less likely to get significant amounts inside components where it matters...
That said, I don't have a Zero, I got a Vectrix, and I would avoid washing it as much as possible. Nothing good comes from washing too much - just keep it reasonably clean where it matters to not stain your clothes ;-)
Thoughts?
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Typically, I've been accused of washing my bikes by riding them in the rain... hence my original concern. ;)
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I think pressure washers would likely force water past rubber seals and into electrical junctions if aimed in their direction and if you got too close to those areas. I have never used a pressure washer, just a hose, soap and mitt, when cleaning my motorcycles and have never had a problem, so why take the risk. ???
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Washing is evil ;-)
I think pressure washers would likely force water past rubber seals and into electrical junctions if aimed in their direction and if you got too close to those areas. I have never used a pressure washer, just a hose, soap and mitt, when cleaning my motorcycles and have never had a problem, so why take the risk. ???
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I haven't washed any of my cars in the three years living in San Diego and I don't expect I will wash the Zero S I have on order any time soon. :)
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If you are worried, use a bucket of water (with some auto wash) and a rag. Rinse off the same way (fresh water only).
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<Sigh>
Deposit left two weeks ago today and still no word... :(
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Hey Jamie, hope you get your bike soon! You are going to love it!
You sound like me and many others here. You ride mostly on road, and the only time your bike ever gets cleaned is when you ride it in the rain. I've put over 10,000 miles on my 2015 Zero and never a belt issue or problem and I've ridden in downpours many times including yesterday and the day before. And many more miles on a 2012 Zero.
Some have experienced issues with water and usually after washing, but they are so very rare now, they perhaps are less than the rate of issues that gasoline bikes have, and are set to be even better. The 2016 bike is the most reliable model so far. Over the past 4 months, out of thousands of bike owners, the only issues are from "new" deliveries of 2014 bikes for the most part. There were some charger issues with the 2015 on GFI circuits, but the 2016 should be as reliable or more as a BMW GS series. They just keep getting better every year.
Can't wait for you to take your first ride and post about it!!
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Hi Jaimie,
Congrats on you and the bike!
I use a waterhose all the time for cleaning, and on my first ride home on my Zero from the dealer,
it was raining like hell. Had a lot of other wet dys too with the bike.
Not a single problem so far.
Greets
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<Sigh>
Deposit left two weeks ago today and still no word... :(
Complain to Zero. I received the VIN number within days. And a final delivery date.
(i'm not happy to be forced to buy through a dealer to begin with but at least my local dealer appears to be decent)
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I put a deposit down on an SR last Thursday. Hoping I don't have to wait long.
Has anyone picked up a 2016 bike recently? Any production delays?
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I'm still mulling over ordering one vs. getting a used one this month. I suspect due to the April incentive, this month's orders might be higher than usual, creating a longer backlog. Unless Zero anticipated this or were making them faster than they could sell them, thus offering incentives...
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I put a deposit down on an SR last Thursday. Hoping I don't have to wait long.
Has anyone picked up a 2016 bike recently? Any production delays?
Seems like it depends on your location. No production delays but they have to ship them.
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My local Zero dealer is also my local BMW dealer. They've been taking good care of me in that department so when they acquired the Zero franchise I didn't have any problems ordering through them.
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I'm still mulling over ordering one vs. getting a used one this month. I suspect due to the April incentive, this month's orders might be higher than usual, creating a longer backlog. Unless Zero anticipated this or were making them faster than they could sell them, thus offering incentives...
Kocho, I just posted about this in another thread, but trust me get the 2016 for many reasons. But you can also take advantage of the "Free Fuel for Life" rebate they are offering for the next 2 and a half weeks. But even without that I would still strongly encourage a 2016 over anything 2014 or earlier. it's the little things you can't see from a side by side picture that make a huge difference. Consider the rebate icing on the cake. But get the best cake to start. :)
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Seems like it depends on your location. No production delays but they have to ship them.
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But waiting is so hard.. *pout*
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Well, just did 17 miles in the rain and survived without a massive electrical shock so I guess my concerns were unwarranted. :P Really no different than riding an ICE bike in the rain (and I've done that more times than I care to count). No problems at all with the bike. :)
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Well, just did 17 miles in the rain and survived without a massive electrical shock so I guess my concerns were unwarranted. :P Really no different than riding an ICE bike in the rain (and I've done that more times than I care to count). No problems at all with the bike. :)
I rode year-round on a 2013 Zero in rainy Seattle for nearly 3 years, so I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a problem. Pressure washing seems to exacerbate risks that rain doesn't. If you're concerned at all after a very wet ride through maybe flooded areas, just let the bike dry off for a while before plugging it in.
You're definitely not going to get shocked. The failure modes are confined to defined safety features taking effect, like the contactor opening or a fuse blowing. It sucks to have a bike that won't go, but it's effective. I did have my bike turn off once because water got under the rubber boot covering an Anderson charge connector once in a very heavy rain, but that was an extra cable that I stupidly left plugged in while riding, not the plug above the motor.
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Don't you just love it when our bikes are smarter than we are? :o
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I ordered a DSR last Saturday 4/30 to take advantage of the fuel for life offer (which they have extended). Went by my dealer today and was given a VIN number and told it had shipped and that it might get here this week. I also talked to Zero today and the parts guy told me that the charge tanks should ship in a week or two hopefully. I live in Portland, Or. Cheers! ;D
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One other thing I learned about riding in the rain: That storage pouch in the "tank?" It AIN'T waterproof... :-[
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One other thing I learned about riding in the rain: That storage pouch in the "tank?" It AIN'T waterproof... :-[
The windshield helps quite a bit with that. Since I've installed it, I don't find anymore a puddle at the bottom of the "tank" after rainy commutes.
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Looks like the rain destroyed my "El Cheapo" cigarette lighter/USB adapter too. Oh well. Picked up another one at the convenience store and I have to remember to keep it in the same Ziplock bag with the insurance papers (which finally dried out).
So if anybody is reading this and is storing "important papers" in that storage bag? Seal them up in a Ziplock bag. You'll thank me later.
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Yes, and empty your bag before leaving it parked outside in the rain. It sucks to learn the hard way.