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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: benswing on April 01, 2016, 09:33:54 AM
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Did anybody else reserve a Tesla Model 3?
I went to a store and reserved one at noon EDT!
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I went in this morning. About 100 people in front of me in line. By the time I reached the front of the line, probably 150 behind me.
According to the " Reveal ", there were 115,000 reservations placed prior to the opening of online reservations. It was quick, they
took your name, email address, and, credit card information. At the end, there was a quantity desired tab. The guy asked me if
I wanted ONE, or TWO. I ordered TWO.
I wasn't happy that orders were taken as the stores opened across the country, giving the earlier opening stores an advantage.
"Fair" would have been to begin taking orders at a specific time once all locations were open. I was informed ( not sure how valid the information is )
that even though the east coast got orders in first, that west coast would receive orders first because of shipping logistics. THIS
part makes it less fair to east coast buyers. Either way, I hope that Tesla makes good use of all the interest free loans they got ( and will be getting )
though this offering.
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Obligatory: two wheels good; four wheels bad! [Holding onto hope that Lit Motors will ship something worth my deposit]
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Or as it was pointed out to me, four wheels is better because it's two bikes! ;) Do keep us posted on any news you get on the Lit please Brian, it promises to be awesome!
I would love my next car to be electric. I came here first but my next stop will be Tesla's website!
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The guy asked me if I wanted ONE, or TWO. I ordered TWO.
I wasn't happy that orders were taken as the stores opened across the country, giving the earlier opening stores an advantage.
"Fair" would have been to begin taking orders at a specific time once all locations were open. I was informed (not sure how valid the information is) that even though the east coast got orders in first, that west coast would receive orders first because of shipping logistics. THIS part makes it less fair to east coast buyers.
I think Tesla has done a good job communicating about how they will deliver these cars (ie - WC first, then EC, then Europe, Asia, etc.). Also, since the cars will be produced in far higher volumes (10x as quickly as the Model S), there is likely to be less of a time gap between people receiving their orders.
There is so much more for them to detail in the next year and a half, so I expect it all to work out in the end. #InMuskWeTrust
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I'm still debating getting a Model X. I already have the Zero, so I don't need a high-efficiency commuter. I could use something to haul stuff around. Granted, the X is very expensive, but I was also toying with renting it out on RelayRides.
It's kind of a nice quandry to have.
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Reserved one. ~150 in line in Nashville. Only disappointment in what I've read so far is that it has a trunk instead of a hatch.
I wasn't happy that orders were taken as the stores opened across the country, giving the earlier opening stores an advantage.
"Fair" would have been to begin taking orders at a specific time once all locations were open. I was informed ( not sure how valid the information is )
that even though the east coast got orders in first, that west coast would receive orders first because of shipping logistics. THIS
part makes it less fair to east coast buyers. Either way, I hope that Tesla makes good use of all the interest free loans they got ( and will be getting )
though this offering.
I recall reading that reservations would be ordered according to time relative to store opening.
However, west coast will take deliveries first, then east coast, then ROW.
Edit: I'm not certain I'll keep the reservation, mostly due to limited need for any car, electric or otherwise. It would be nice to be able to rent until we can supercharge our bikes, at least.
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Sadly the only vehicle I have a use for outside of my motorcycle is a 4wd SUV capable of housing my motorcycle lol aka my honda element. I would love it if some magic fairy dust could be sprinkled on my element making it an efficient electric vehicle .... but I am not holding my breath.
I put maybe 1-3k on my Element a year and most of the time it is hauling stuff around or going on long trips (which won't happen as much when I get the tank charger)
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I heard that 133,000 deposits were made for the Model 3 as of this morning. Too bad Zero didn't try some PR stunt to get electric motorcycles on the public news reports at the same time. Someone needs to inform the public that there are electric motorcycles as well as electric cars on the market.
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Obligatory: two wheels good; four wheels bad! [Holding onto hope that Lit Motors will ship something worth my deposit]
Amen.
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Obligatory: two wheels good; four wheels bad! [Holding onto hope that Lit Motors will ship something worth my deposit]
Amen.
Yep, the Lit has the potentially to be incredible. Still not sure weather it or Skully will ship first.
A couple of guys from work headed down to the Melbourne (Australia) store at ~5am this morning. There was already a few people who had camped out, but one of them got #6. When that arrives we'll have the full suite of Tesla's in the parking lot at work. Time to start convincing people to pick up two wheel alternatives and restore the balance. I'm thinking at least one Lighting and an Energica...
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Just did a Google search with last hour as filter. 232,000 reservations as of around 9:30 p.m.
No information yet on "options", but, Musk seems to feel that the "average" will be around $42,000.
Difficult to believe. I went to the site and configured a Model S. The Default is the 70D at $75,000.
You can set it to rear wheel drive and get it stripped for $70,000. They seem to have a couple NEW ones
ready for delivery for just over $72K. I went through and loaded one up just for grins. The price goes from
$70K base to close to $150K with every listed option. If similar percentage increases apply to the
Model 3, then, we will see $70,000 to $80,000 " affordable " Teslas. They also have 10 Pre Owned
2013 and 2014 85KW models for between $70K and $75K ( No government rebate ).
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KrazyEd, you know the base price of a model 3 is $35,000, right? I plan to get zero options since that is all I can afford (it's a bit of a stretch to begin with).
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All of these Model 3 reservations kind of remind me of the rush of "pre-order" reservations when Brammo first introduced the Empulse (when it was to have direct-drive, a 10 kWh battery and was going to sell for around $10K). They supposedly accumulated well over one thousand orders within just a few months, almost all of which faded away when the promised production date faded away, too. I was one of those pre-order customers and hung on for a year until I discovered that it would be another year before the bike would be delivered and there would not be a direct-drive version, but only one with a six-speed gearbox. ??? So off to Zero it was that had a bike ready to go. ;)
So I wonder how many of those refundable deposit orders for the Model 3 will hang in there until the car is actually ready for delivery? While Tesla may be able to deliver the first car near the end of 2017, how long will it take to deliver over 200K Model 3 units and will most of their customers have that much patience? ???
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Waited in line for three hours on Thursday morning to make my reservation! I'd prefer a station wagon.
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All of these Model 3 reservations kind of remind me of the rush of "pre-order" reservations when Brammo first introduced the Empulse (when it was to have direct-drive, a 10 kWh battery and was going to sell for around $10K). They supposedly accumulated well over one thousand orders within just a few months, almost all of which faded away when the promised production date faded away, too. I was one of those pre-order customers and hung on for a year until I discovered that it would be another year before the bike would be delivered and there would not be a direct-drive version, but only one with a six-speed gearbox. ??? So off to Zero it was that had a bike ready to go. ;)
So I wonder how many of those refundable deposit orders for the Model 3 will hang in there until the car is actually ready for delivery? While Tesla may be able to deliver the first car near the end of 2017, how long will it take to deliver over 200K Model 3 units and will most of their customers have that much patience? ???
The preorders for the Empulse had no skin in the game. Tesla's collected a thousand bucks from well north of 200 thousand people.
Further, the bike Brammo delivered was radically different, more expensive, and much later than originally planned ... while their competitor was delivering bikes that were much closer to Brammo's original intent. If Tesla delays shipment until mid 2019, bumps the minimum price to $50k, and turns the Model 3 into an SUV I bet they will lose a lot of preorders too.
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Closing in on 300k pre orders, a rousing success! Doubt Tesla will miss the date. They are effectively 3 production lines deep. I should hope they know what they are doing by now. Dude got a rocket to go space and land upright back on earth! I think he can deliver a few million cars.
The big game changer that I haven't seen any mention is what this car just did to the cost of range, aka batteries. Looks like Elon is dropping the price by a third again! That's the aggressive move! Dropping the price of batteries is going to put the pressure on, obviously the gigafactory is the major play here. Either the gigafactory can deliver or people will just have wait a bit. Watch for an announcement of a second gigafactory would be my speculation. Oh and maybe some mining in Nevada[emoji14]
Otherwise the car looks great! Not sure I like the front nose. And still on the fence on the lack of instrument panel. But nothing a test drive can't fix!
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I am starting to wonder where the 273,000 (so far) Model 3 owners are going to be charging their new cars when they finally get them. ::) I keep thinking that at some point, when electric vehicles become more and more popular, finding a free charging outlet when you need it is going to take some luck. ???
They will probably charge at home like everyone does now. Sure, public charging will be a little more in demand, but with 215 miles of range available every morning, it won't be necessary.
Even now when people find Teslas plugged in to public chargers there is usually some ire since they don't need it as much as a LEAF.
I doubt Tesla owners in general will use public L2 charging very much, unless it's free, and maybe even then. Charging at a 30A EVSE at the US average of $0.12/kWh saves you about $0.80 per hour charging on your power bill. I don't think many people would drive somewhere and wait to save a few cents.
L2 is simply not needed most of the time for daily driving - if you're plugging in at night then it's easier to plug in once per day rather than twice per day. This is actually true even for lower-range EVs as well, which is why public L2 infrastructure is vastly underutilized on the whole.
However, Richard230 has a very valid point for Supercharger congestion. Tesla has a more complete picture, but their most recent public numbers show ~20% of miles being charged on the Supercharger. I expect this to increase slightly for smaller capacity EVs like the Model 3, and as Tesla expands the Supercharger network and more types of trips become possible. Unlike L2 charging, charging on the Supercharger is a significant cost savings (~$15/hour), which will factor into some charging decisions as well - people may stay longer than needed simply to reach their destination.
Tesla is pricing in Supercharger expansion, maintenance, and operation into the price of their cars; presumably this will allow them to scale the Supercharger network as demand ramps up. Very much worth noting that this will require linear scaling of only the significantly utilized stations (maybe 10-20% of the network today); a large part of the network exists to allow occasional longer distance travel over less frequently traveled legs, as opposed to short trips that occur on very heavily traveled legs.
Tesla has all the data to enable them to scale this up and I trust they will be good stewards of the Supercharger network, certainly better than Blink / Chargepoint; it is one of their crown jewels, and by pricing the cost of the network into the upfront price of the vehicle they have the financial resources to do so.
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L2 is simply not needed most of the time for daily driving - if you're plugging in at night then it's easier to plug in once per day rather than twice per day. This is actually true even for lower-range EVs as well, which is why public L2 infrastructure is vastly underutilized on the whole.
This is only true when the amount of power you use during the day is less that what you get during your overnight charging time.
When you have someone like me that only sleeps about 6 hours, you get something like 7 hours of charging at home per day.
So for someone like me, I need L2 charging at home. No big deal, just add a breaker and a box, but its something people should think of. Not all of us can plug in at work, or while we're out... and most of the time the car is sitting, its not sitting at home.
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Musk says that he feels the AVERAGE model 3 will be equipped to the tune of $42K. That seems low compared to what the S and X are going for.
MY plan is to load up the first one which should now be delivered first. Sell it to someone who is willing to pay a premium to not wait, then, use
the ( hopeful ) profit to pay for the one I plan to keep. If first one doesn't sell, then, cancel order on second. Tesla has a history of being late on
deliveries, with prices being higher than expected when they happen. The model 3 is designed more towards the everyday driver and easier
construction for shorter build time. We shall see. I doubt that the 300K reservations include many present owners, who get a "line pass" to
bypass all of us who waited in line.
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I am somewhat confused regarding how L2 and fast-charging stations are located. There is one behind the shopping center (where the sun don't shine) in my subdivision. It has been there for two years and I have never seen anyone use the station. In fact, the fast chargers still have covers over them saying "coming soon". Kind of sad every time I ride by and see that charging station.
I agree that Tesla is doing more than anyone to advance the EV revolution, but educating the average car buyer regarding the technology, advantages and limitations of electric vehicles and what to do when you own one, is going to be a challenge for them - based upon the car and pick-up truck owners that I see in my neighborhood. ::)
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Musk says that he feels the AVERAGE model 3 will be equipped to the tune of $42K. That seems low compared to what the S and X are going for.
Auto mfrs often charge more for the same options on their higher-priced models for no reason other than that they can. And often the lower-end models don't get the really good (and pricey) options.
Tesla has a history of being late on deliveries, with prices being higher than expected when they happen.
Late, yes, though I think they've learned that lesson pretty well by now, and there's a lot fewer complicated high-end features on the Model 3 (no falcon wing doors, over-designed seats, etc.). But I don't remember them historically being much if any higher than their projected price points. Sure, you can load up a Model S or X and go over the six figure line, but their base price points are just about where they predicted they would be.
I doubt that the 300K reservations include many present owners, who get a "line pass" to bypass all of us who waited in line.
I wouldn't be so sure about that...customer loyalty is fantastic among Tesla owners, and most people who can spring for an S or an X can easily afford multiple vehicles. I'd bet there are a number of families about to become four-Tesla families.
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I went last week at lunch and stood in line for like 30 minutes. Figure what the hell. It's savings, if I need it, I can get a refund. If I don't need it, it'll sit there and I'll replace my Audi A4 in a couple years when its available. No rush for me.
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L2 is simply not needed most of the time for daily driving - if you're plugging in at night then it's easier to plug in once per day rather than twice per day. This is actually true even for lower-range EVs as well, which is why public L2 infrastructure is vastly underutilized on the whole.
This is only true when the amount of power you use during the day is less that what you get during your overnight charging time.
When you have someone like me that only sleeps about 6 hours, you get something like 7 hours of charging at home per day.
So for someone like me, I need L2 charging at home. No big deal, just add a breaker and a box, but its something people should think of. Not all of us can plug in at work, or while we're out... and most of the time the car is sitting, its not sitting at home.
Apologies, I meant public L2 charging (ie at grocery stores, parks, movie theaters, malls, etc). For cars with large capacity batteries, L2 charging is necessary to restore most of a full charge overnight - or even to charge a substantial portion in case of a later evening trip, or for multiple trips on a weekend.
10 hours for a full charge seems to be a bit of a magic number.
- Chevy Bolt takes 9 hours to charge on 240V 32A
- Tesla doesn't mention a time, but Model S 90 takes ~10 hours to charge on 240V 40A
- Tesla doesn't even list a full charge time for lower options, ie 240V 32A EVSE or 120V incidental charging
- 2016 Zero S with Power Tank is nearly 11 hours for a full charge at 120V. When and if Zero offers a larger capacity touring bike, I believe they will include integrated L2 charging.
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Even if people don't eventually order, it's a useful $300 million interest free loan to get production going.
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Reserved one. ~150 in line in Nashville. Only disappointment in what I've read so far is that it has a trunk instead of a hatch.
I wasn't happy that orders were taken as the stores opened across the country, giving the earlier opening stores an advantage.
"Fair" would have been to begin taking orders at a specific time once all locations were open. I was informed ( not sure how valid the information is )
that even though the east coast got orders in first, that west coast would receive orders first because of shipping logistics. THIS
part makes it less fair to east coast buyers. Either way, I hope that Tesla makes good use of all the interest free loans they got ( and will be getting )
though this offering.
I recall reading that reservations would be ordered according to time relative to store opening.
However, west coast will take deliveries first, then east coast, then ROW.
Edit: I'm not certain I'll keep the reservation, mostly due to limited need for any car, electric or otherwise. It would be nice to be able to rent until we can supercharge our bikes, at least.
Love the car. Still love my even more affordable, traffic splitting, turn carving Zero.
I wonder why they did a trunk instead of a hatch. I would rather have a hatch than that big glass. If I wanted a sun burn I would get another convertible that I already had.
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Wi-Fi has become a utility, like water. I think L2 charging at home will be the same in a few years. Friends and family will want to plug their cars in so they can make the journey home without having to stop on the way.
I think Elon and Tesla worked this out a while ago. Apart from cheapskates that will go out of their way to supercharge for free near home, the vast majority will enjoy the convenience of plugging in at home and starting every journey with maximum range. That 200 mile range means that charging during a journey will be extremely rare for most. That's why Tesla is working on so many destination charging facilities. I think these must be at hotels, motels and other places where people are likely to stop overnight or for several hours that isn't home. I guess you could add shopping malls to that list.
I don't know if Tesla are already doing this, but perhaps Solar City could offer Tesla owners significant discounts on solar panels for their homes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Powerwall that has enough capacity to at least half-charge a Model S too.
Houses of the 2020's will ideally have Wi-Fi, L2 charging, huge solar arrays and far more off-grid storage than is required to keep a house running overnight.
I think Elon is going to have to build another Gigafactory pretty damn quick. He's just created the demand for one with all the Model 3 pre-orders.
I think things are going to go ballistic in this space over the next few years. Everyone is going to wake up and want a piece of the action, which is exactly what Elon has wanted them to do all along. The next Gigafactories will be built by other car manufacturers as well as Tesla.
The Model 3 could well be the tipping point and I'm very excited about that. The oil lobby won't stand a chance.
More and more houses will go off-grid. Domestic demand for electricity will drop. Prices will go down, thus encouraging more people to buy electric cars and charge at home even if they don't have solar.
Electric vehicles, solar and home storage go hand in hand. The Model 3 and it's competitors will move people towards energy independence. Homes will still be connected to the grid but they'll use the grid about as frequently as they use a land line for making phone calls.
Each electric vehicle could become a symbol of zero emissions from homes (and the grid supporting them) as well as zero emissions on the road.
You have to hand it to Elon, he's a bloody genius!
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There was talk about how every one has something that sets them apart..... I'm betting they'll have something, similar to a power-wall functionality, with the Tesla vehicles. Since they do DC fast charging, it's only a matter of time until they allow the use of our batteries as grid storage..... basically V2G.
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Yup yup.. Waited in line for about 2 hours and had a reservation by 11:30ish EST (DC area.. Tyron's corner mall to be exact. I better get mine before Ben! Haha.. I'm registered out of Texas though.. Was just in DC for work).
My budget limit is about $60k. Maybe $62ish if that means I get very option.
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Manitou, I was just north of you a few miles in Bethesda at the Montgomery Mall. Arrived there at 9:15am and made a reservation at 10:45. There was about 100 or so people still in line as I left. I want to be as frugal as possible, but I will probably come close to maxing out all the options. My goal is to keep her under 50k.....
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I just decided that I'm going to buy one of these, but wait until they hit the used market and I will save a bunch of money.
I will be waiting for a while, but that's fine because my yr 2000 Honda Insight has some years left in her.
They will also have to change the little trunk opening to a hatch like the Model S.
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I was looking at second hand prices on the Model S the other day. They seem to be holding their value well. I won't be able to justify buying new because I only cover about 6,000 miles a year by car. Twice that by bike. I'd really love my next car to be fully electric but my wife's not keen at all. It's the charging... I might get away with a plug in hybrid. The range on a Tesla would win the argument over a Leaf.
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For a while, Model S's were actually more expensive on the used market than they were new. People didn't want to wait in line six months for a new one, so people peddling their used ones could pretty much ask for the sun and moon for theirs. Doubtful the same will happen with the Model 3, but at least for a while, you might be surprised how little you'll save over buying used.
And don't forget the Model 3 has another trunk in front, which looks to have a much larger opening. You're not going to carry a sheet of plywood in there, but it should be much easier to get a big suitcase in front than in back.
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They say the back seat fold down too. Can fit a 7' surf board he said. I'd rather have a hatchback/suv but this car will do the trick for a few years. I'm 40 and this will only be the 2nd brand new car I've ever bought. (The 1st was a Honda Ridgeline in 06).
It makes sense and is the right thing to do (imo).
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As far as Tesla holding their value, Tesla was guaranteeing the value over time.
Not sure if that is still the case as more are being produced and sold, or, if
this will apply to Model 3.
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I was looking at second hand prices on the Model S the other day. They seem to be holding their value well. I won't be able to justify buying new because I only cover about 6,000 miles a year by car. Twice that by bike. I'd really love my next car to be fully electric but my wife's not keen at all. It's the charging... I might get away with a plug in hybrid. The range on a Tesla would win the argument over a Leaf.
Yeah, my wife and I discussed it, and the opinion was that if we got a Model 3 it would be *her* car as she does all the car mileage.
But she loves the look of the car, and its capable of doing the range that she'd need, so she's up for pre-ordering one when they become available in the UK. ;D
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Yeah, my wife and I discussed it, and the opinion was that if we got a Model 3 it would be *her* car as she does all the car mileage.
But she loves the look of the car, and its capable of doing the range that she'd need, so she's up for pre-ordering one when they become available in the UK. ;D
Your wife is cool Justin. :)
Just to be sure for sure, you need to pre-order now. It sounds like you're under the impression that pre-orders are only available in the US at the moment:
https://model3.tesla.com/?_ga=1.137156914.387848929.1368252776
It's £1,000 for us Brits. I'd put your money on the table as soon as you can mate.
I've decided that the one for me is the Model X, by the way. Three kids. Wish me luck trying to convince my wife that we should remortgage... ;-)
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Just a fun fact by way of comparison to the 300K or so Tesla 3 pre-orders: The entire 2014 production run of Mustangs was 134,082 cars.
I hope for MostlyBonker's vision of the future. A world similar to GATTICA where you pull up at a friend's house, slip the charging plug into your car and go in for dinner. Minus the creepy gene discrimination, but you get the idea. Also, Bonkers might want to take a look at the upcoming plug-in Prius. It appears to be similar to the Volt in range-on-electric with an ICE backup.
I didn't submit for a pre-order for the Tesla 3. Our cars are too new and have too much life left in them. But I suspect the Tesla 3 is going to be our next car.
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Yeah I spotted that yesterday, need to have a second chat with my wife about it (its the difference between talking about pulling the trigger and actually pulling the trigger)
bu I expect we'll pre-order this weekend. Gotta be careful as the village is looking to reopen its pub, and want investors... ;)
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Yup. Reserved mine the day it was allowed to be order on the Internet. Hopefully I get mine late 2017, but who actually knows. Tesla FTW!
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bu I expect we'll pre-order this weekend. Gotta be careful as the village is looking to reopen its pub, and want investors... ;)
Becoming an investor and helping to reopen a local pub sounds like a very honourable way to spend one's hard earned money! :-) Let me know when it opens and I'll make a special trip up to give it some custom.
I may have to downgrade my ambitions to a second hand hybrid for my next car. I live in a terrace house so no driveway means no overnight charging. They get funny about people trailing wires across footpaths and I often have to park further down the road. I may enquire with the council about getting a charge point installed but the parking problem won't go away.
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This article makes some reasonable speculations about what the Model 3 is doing to optimize aerodynamic drag while keeping manufacturing costs down:
http://electrek.co/2016/04/28/tesla-model-3-aerodynamic-drag/ (http://electrek.co/2016/04/28/tesla-model-3-aerodynamic-drag/)
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Yup. Reserved mine the day it was allowed to be order on the Internet. Hopefully I get mine late 2017, but who actually knows. Tesla FTW!
Did you order? I ordered mine!
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This article makes some reasonable speculations about what the Model 3 is doing to optimize aerodynamic drag while keeping manufacturing costs down:
http://electrek.co/2016/04/28/tesla-model-3-aerodynamic-drag/ (http://electrek.co/2016/04/28/tesla-model-3-aerodynamic-drag/)
Very interesting. A demo of the software they use is at http://www.exa.com/en/services/exacloud-simulation-tools
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I’m taking delivery on May 14 if all goes well! Red with aero wheels.
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I'm still debating getting a Model X. I already have the Zero, so I don't need a high-efficiency commuter. I could use something to haul stuff around. Granted, the X is very expensive, but I was also toying with renting it out on RelayRides.
It's kind of a nice quandry to have.
If you want something to haul stuff, have you ever considered a trailer?
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/buy-trailer-instead-pickup-truck-25485.html
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> If you want something to haul stuff, have you ever considered a trailer?
> ...
Just saw a Ford Ranger EV for sale in Nevada for like $9000 USD on craigslist. Has NiMH batteries that might need to be reconditioned, but can haul things for short distances at 1/11th the price of a Model X.
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...but can haul things for short distances at 1/11th the price of a Model X.
I actually looked at the electric Ranger when it was on the market, however many years ago that was now. It just won't serve my needs, though. I have the Zero for the great majority of my (mostly commuting) needs, and another vehicle to cover everything else: hauling stuff, inclement weather (yes, I'm a fair-weather motorcyclist), long trips, carrying more than one passenger, etc. The electric Ranger doesn't have much range, doesn't charge very fast and can only carry one passenger.
I'm looking at the Tesla model Y now. When that becomes available (and the line to buy one thins out), I'll consider trading my hybrid RAV4 for one. I think those two vehicles (Tesla model Y and whatever electric motorcycle I own at that point) will satisfy all my needs pretty well, at pretty reasonable cost.
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my country don't have store tesla, saddd :'(
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I took delivery on 5/17. It's been great so far! Phenomenal power compared to a Leaf, or most other cars on the road. :)
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Nice, the red color looks great on that car. I received my design invite on April 6th, but I need to wait for my current leases (a Spark EV and a Fiat 124) to expire first. Damn you Elon for shortening the timeline. I was ready to wait 3 years...