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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: vkruger on December 17, 2015, 03:52:23 AM
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“Section 183. Extension of credit for 2-wheeled plug-in electric vehicles. The provision extends through 2016 the 10-percent credit for plug-in electric motorcycles and 2-wheeled vehicles (capped at $2,500).â€
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I read in my newspaper today that Congress has approved a rollover of all IRS deductions in their big budget bill. Let's hope it sticks when it gets the final approval. I did appreciate that $2000 credit off of my federal tax bill this year for the purchase of my 2014 Zero S with power tank last year. :)
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Thanks, this just made my day!
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https://rules.house.gov/sites/republicans.rules.house.gov/files/114/PDF/114-SAHR2029Ex-SxS.pdf (https://rules.house.gov/sites/republicans.rules.house.gov/files/114/PDF/114-SAHR2029Ex-SxS.pdf)
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As my accountant told me earlier this year (and I mentioned several times here), the electric motorcycle credit had been extended last year. So my question is: why did it seem like everyone else thought that it had expired for 2014 purchases and why did Zero also state a year ago on their website that the credit had expired? I suspect that quite a few people that bought electric motorcycles last year didn't even try to apply for the credit and everyone one of them lost $1000 to $2000 in what amounted to a rebate on their Zero or Brammo purchase. I wonder if you can amend your 2014 tax return to apply for the credit if you purchased a 2014 electric motorcycle and didn't apply for the credit? Something to think about.
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why did it seem like everyone else thought that it had expired for 2014 purchases and why did Zero also state a year ago on their website that the credit had expired?
Well, here's why I thought it had expired - in late December 2014
1) I called Zero, who told me it was still expired "to the best of their knowledge", so
2) I called my original dealer, who was definitely up to speed on the '13 credit and had sold several '13 Zeros solely for that reason (I briefly considered a leftover '13 FX myself to get the credit) and had been following it religiously - he told me 'no' with obvious disappointment - then
3) I haunted the IRS web site & Googled extensively looking for anything related to the '14 EV credit, right up to the day I filed my '14 return in early February 2015
Since the EV credit was only a tiny part of a large deduction rollover, I doubt I would've found much on Google anyway unless a number of people had specifically mentioned it for 2014 (there were many '13 references) and Google crawled those sites often. A tax accountant would have, though; it sounds like you've got one of the good ones. As it was I had plenty of deductions in '14 and didn't really need it, but I would've used it anyway just for the principle. :)
Ray
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why did it seem like everyone else thought that it had expired for 2014 purchases and why did Zero also state a year ago on their website that the credit had expired?
I also thought it had expired - in late December 2014, early January 2015 - because TurboTax very firmly said "NO!" to the credit and when I did the research, everybody else seemed to agree.
I waited right up to March and redid my taxes then in the hopes a TurboTax update had changed its mind. My taxes are so simple there's no need for an accountant and not more than 45 minutes with TurboTax.
So I guess I'm screwed for falling in the gap.
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It had expired. Congress had made noises of extending it, but (as we all know) they didn't get much done for quite a while there, and the credit was one of the things that fell through the cracks. But it finally did get passed, not sure when, but it was retroactive so Richard's CPA's assumption that it would get passed worked out just fine.
Those of us who wound up eligible for it, but who didn't claim it last year when we filed, can always file an amendment. That's what I'll wind up doing.
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For those in California, the state rebate is still going strong... my check for $900 from my 2016 Zero SR is in the mail to me now...
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Your accountant was wrong - the credit had expired for tax year '14 during the normal tax season. You could have claimed it, yes, but it would have been improper. Simple as that.
If the credit was later (after 4/15/2014) extended retroactively as someone mentioned, you might now be OK in terms of potential audit. And those who did not claim it last year can file an amended return to claim it, I suspect. I bought a new Vectrix last year and wanted to claim it, but it was not possible - it had expired indeed. For me it was under $100 bucks as I bought the bike new but from liquidation auction for under $1K, so did not make a big difference to me. Not worth the trouble to amend my return. But for a 10% on a Zero, I'd do it.
As my accountant told me earlier this year (and I mentioned several times here), the electric motorcycle credit had been extended last year. So my question is: why did it seem like everyone else thought that it had expired for 2014 purchases and why did Zero also state a year ago on their website that the credit had expired? I suspect that quite a few people that bought electric motorcycles last year didn't even try to apply for the credit and everyone one of them lost $1000 to $2000 in what amounted to a rebate on their Zero or Brammo purchase. I wonder if you can amend your 2014 tax return to apply for the credit if you purchased a 2014 electric motorcycle and didn't apply for the credit? Something to think about.
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I am not certain on this NOW, but, I got a screaming deal on my 2012 XU from a dealer who was no longer going to be carrying Zero.
When I filed, I got the rebate for the full Retail price of the bike.
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/zero-motorcycles-helps-deliver-tax-credits-for-electric-motorcycles-300195475.html (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/zero-motorcycles-helps-deliver-tax-credits-for-electric-motorcycles-300195475.html)
Zero Motorcycles Helps Deliver Tax Credits For Electric Motorcycles
Electric Motorcycles Again Eligible for 10% Federal Tax Credit
SANTA CRUZ, Calif., Dec. 18, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Zero Motorcycles, the global leader in the electric motorcycle industry, today announced that the company's complete 2016 model line of electric motorcycles will again be eligible for a 10 percent federal tax credit for plug-in vehicles. The tax credit was included in the "last minute" tax extenders bill approved by Congress on Friday and signed into law by President Obama that afternoon.
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When my accountant competed my income tax return earlier this year, he went directly to the electronic IRS electric motorcycle purchase credit form and typed in the information for my Zero and its VIN. It was accepted on the form (if you type in an unapproved vehicle the form will not accept the information) and the credit was computed automatically by the form and that is what he filed and what the IRS accepted.
I note that the tax credits that were just approved this year were just rolled over from last year. It seems very unlikely that the electric motorcycle credit would have been specifically inserted into the budget bill if it was already not an approved item in the previous budget law. ???
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Richard you may have found a glitch in the system!! :) But even so, an audit now wouldn't matter anyway because it passed. I'm on the board of the Electric Auto Association and talk to Jay Friedland from Plug in America often and unless I bumped my head this morning, I'm pretty sure for the past 2 years there hasn't been a federal electric motorcycle tax credit. But they were working on it, and got it! So this is great news! I haven't had the monthly board call yet, so this is the first I heard about it!! Thanks ctrlburn!
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Exactly as I said...it's amendment time for many of us.
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I'm not sure if in future years they will be able to continue this tax credit. We would hope so. I think the low gas prices recently had a lot to do with the need to add more incentives for electric vehicles. Not sure if they will see it the same way next year. Regardless, if you were on the fence about getting a Zero, it seems like it is a great reason to do it this year!
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Is this Msrp or actual price paid? OTD price or unit price?
Would an untitled 2013 model still qualify?
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I'm confused. So if I bought mine earlier this year I will get a 10% tax credit when I file my return?
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Is this Msrp or actual price paid? OTD price or unit price?
Would an untitled 2013 model still qualify?
It was actual price paid, less state sales tax. I got credit for the power tank, delivery and setup fees, rear rack, top box and windshield. :)
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I'm not sure if in future years they will be able to continue this tax credit. We would hope so. I think the low gas prices recently had a lot to do with the need to add more incentives for electric vehicles. Not sure if they will see it the same way next year. Regardless, if you were on the fence about getting a Zero, it seems like it is a great reason to do it this year!
Agreed. As a EV incentive, I would relish "adjusting" gas and diesel excite tax from decades of inflation, so that fuel taxes functioned as user taxes as intended and paid almost entirely for the cost of building, maintaining and servicing the roads. In other words, raise the gas tax during this time of historically low gas prices.
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I filed an amendment to my 2014 taxes and recently received the refund check. It's based on actual purchase price, and I had to resubmit as they asked for proof of zero emissions certification. I used a printout of the emissions page from the manual, along with a copy of my sales order. Edit:repeated myself.
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Good to know the amended works! I might do it for the $90 off my liquidation sale new Vectrix when I do this year's taxes... I wonder if I can add the $300 or so I spent traveling and trailering it home as "delivery" fee, which unlike the Zero delivery fee that may or may not be what it costs the dealer but we pay, is what I actually incurred towing the thing home from three states away...
I filed an amendment to my 2014 taxes and recently received the refund check. It's based on actual purchase price, and I had to resubmit as they asked for proof of zero emissions certification. I used a printout of the emissions page from the manual, along with a copy of my sales order. It's based on actual purchase price.
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Richard you may have found a glitch in the system!! :) But even so, an audit now wouldn't matter anyway because it passed. I'm on the board of the Electric Auto Association and talk to Jay Friedland from Plug in America often and unless I bumped my head this morning, I'm pretty sure for the past 2 years there hasn't been a federal electric motorcycle tax credit. But they were working on it, and got it! So this is great news! I haven't had the monthly board call yet, so this is the first I heard about it!! Thanks ctrlburn!
Just to clarify, if you purchased your bike in 2014, do you still qualify for the credit? I'm seeing 2015 and 2016. And I know the credit expired in 2013, so I'm just really hoping the 2014 buyers didn't fall into some kind of EV credit donut hole.
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As I said I purchased a bike in 2014 and successfully amended my 2014 return. They inspected it carefully as I had to refile with additional paperwork. The paperwork does not indicate any exclusion period.
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What is meant by "tax credit"? You have to owe $2000 in taxes to get a credit of $2000 (effectively paying no tax) OR am I mistaken??
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What is meant by "tax credit"? You have to owe $2000 in taxes to get a credit of $2000 (effectively paying no tax) OR am I mistaken??
Who in the U.S. (except maybe Donald Trump and his friends) that can afford a Zero, doesn't pay at least $2000 in U.S. income taxes every year? ::)
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The $2,000 wouldn't be your income, but, amount owed after all deductions and credits. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000 to $50,000 of gross income.
If you had Zero deductions, or write offs, the amount would be lower.
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If anyone knows- Thinking of buying a 2016 FXS. Bought a new 2014 also this year. Is the tax credit allowed on more than one purchase? The total for the two bikes would be about $20,000, so would $2000 be allowed on the two purchases?
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So only purchases made in 2015 are eligible ? I purchased mine in 2014, just two months after the expiration of the previous tax credit. And looks like it won't be retroactive for the 2014 purchases.
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So only purchases made in 2015 are eligible ? I purchased mine in 2014, just two months after the expiration of the previous tax credit. And looks like it won't be retroactive for the 2014 purchases.
I asked this upthread and apparently it is indeed retroactive, just have to file an amended return. If anyone has link to the actual wording in the bill, it'd be pretty straightforward to figure out.
Ok, so here's what I found. It looks like the 2014ers get fucked right in the ass. What am I missing?
SEC. 183. EXTENSION OF CREDIT FOR 2-WHEELED PLUG-IN
16 ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 30D(g)(3)(E) is amended
18 by striking ‘‘acquired’’ and all that follows and inserting
19 the following: ‘‘acquired—
20 ‘‘(i) after December 31, 2011, and be-
21 fore January 1, 2014, or
22 ‘‘(ii) in the case of a vehicle that has
23 2 wheels, after December 31, 2014, and
24 before January 1, 2017.’’.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
2 this section shall apply to vehicles acquired after Decem-
3 ber 31, 2014.
Source: http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20151214/121515.250_xml.pdf (http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20151214/121515.250_xml.pdf)
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That's exactly the same thing I've just found too. And I agree with your conclusion. This is definitely makes the top 100 of the dumbest
things our Congress has ever done.
I will do some research to find out who authored that tax extension, and will contact their office for clarification. Ridiculous.
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Another explanation. Looks pretty clear that we're being punished for the sin of buying our bike in 2014. Fuck everyone who bought electric bikes that year in particular.
20. Extension of Credit for Electric Motorcycles (sec. 183 of the bill and sec. 30D of the
Code)
Present Law
For vehicles acquired before 2014, a 10-percent credit was available for qualifying plugin
electric motorcycles and three-wheeled vehicles.317 Qualifying two- or three-wheeled vehicles
needed to have a battery capacity of at least 2.5 kilowatt-hours, be manufactured primarily for
use on public streets, roads, and highways, and be capable of achieving speeds of at least 45
miles per hours. The maximum credit for any qualifying vehicle was $2,500.
Explanation of Provision
The provision reauthorizes the credit for electric motorcycles acquired in 2015 and 2016
(but not 2014). The credit for electric three-wheeled vehicles is not extended.
Effective Date
The provision is effective for vehicles acquired after December 31, 2014.
source: http://www.kpmg.com/US/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/taxnewsflash/Documents/tnf-x-144-15.pdf (http://www.kpmg.com/US/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/taxnewsflash/Documents/tnf-x-144-15.pdf)
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It appears the years were coded like that in the very original bill, even prior to any changes :
SEC. 183. EXTENSION OF CREDIT FOR 2-WHEELED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
(a) In General.—Section 30D(g)(3)(E) is amended by striking “acquired†and all that follows and inserting the following: “acquired—
“(i) after December 31, 2011, and before January 1, 2014, or
“(ii) in the case of a vehicle that has 2 wheels, after December 31, 2014, and before January 1, 2017.â€.
(b) Effective Date.—The amendments made by this section shall apply to vehicles acquired after December 31, 2014.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2029/text#toc-HF55ED0F1BC704E5996E42748960660AE (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2029/text#toc-HF55ED0F1BC704E5996E42748960660AE)
Unless I misunderstood something, entire bill was authored by Rep. Charles W. Dent, PA. I will shoot an e-mail to his office to
ask WTF.
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If it is to act as a intensive to buy a EV, then why would it be retroactive. None of us bought our Zeros on a promise from a politician that the tax credit would be back. If the credit applies to you, then it should be just icing on the cake. It will lower the prices of used bikes, which helps you if you are a buyer.
If you really want to take advantage of tax law, start your own business and be aggressive. There is a lot more than $2000 in intensives out there.
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Technically Zero used it part of their marketing messaging. They said even though the credit expired in 2013, they're actively lobbying
to have it renewed. Another angle to consider, the law that just passed affects purchases made PRIOR to its passage, but creates three
classes of citizens :
those who purchase prior to passage in 2015, eligible for the credits
those who purchased prior to passage in 2013, still eligible for credits
those who purchased prior to passage in 2014, ineligible for credits
I've just tried to contact that representative, but it gave me an error that I am not in his district and can't talk to him... I will try to
proxy through my rep here in Oregon.
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If it is to act as a intensive to buy a EV, then why would it be retroactive. None of us bought our Zeros on a promise from a politician that the tax credit would be back. If the credit applies to you, then it should be just icing on the cake. It will lower the prices of used bikes, which helps you if you are a buyer.
If you really want to take advantage of tax law, start your own business and be aggressive. There is a lot more than $2000 in intensives out there.
For other tax credits congress simply extended the termination date. For example, The "Alternative Vehicle Refueling Property Credit" expired Dec 31, 2014 and they just deleted that and changed the date to Dec 31, 2016. The "New qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicles credit" which also included 2 and 3 wheeled vehicles expired Jan 1, 2014 but instead just deleting that and extending it to Dec 31. 2016 or Jan 1, 2017 they left out those who purchased in 2014. Those are sections 182 and 183 respectively...literally right next to each other in the bill and congress jacks it up.
When I purchased my bike in August of 2014 the dealer used the fact that the "New qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicles credit" was supposed to get extended as a selling point. I was going to buy anyway but I thought I was going to get the credit making the purchase a little cheaper. Of course, at the end of 2014 congress renews a credit for 4 wheel vehicles but leaves out those on 2 or 3. Then in 2015 they retroactively give the credit to those on 2 or 3 wheels that bought in 2015 but leave those who bought in 2014 out in the cold.
This isn't about taking advantage of tax law. Its about promoting cleaner alternatives for transportation and rewarding those that take the plunge early. Not surprisingly, our elected officials failed us once again.
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I saw the annoucement for the 10% credit after i bought my 2016 already, im assuming i just file for it in my taxes next year?
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I saw the annoucement for the 10% credit after i bought my 2016 already, im assuming i just file for it in my taxes next year?
Yes. You don't need to do anything special at the time of purchase.
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So, I bought a Spark EV in 2015, my tax application won't let me put a second EV down. Anyone know what form we use to file EBike tax credits on, or is it the normal EV form and I'm just screwed?
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So, I bought a Spark EV in 2015, my tax application won't let me put a second EV down. Anyone know what form we use to file EBike tax credits on, or is it the normal EV form and I'm just screwed?
You sound like the kind of situation where a real accountant (not an H&R Block) would be worth the money.
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I saw the annoucement for the 10% credit after i bought my 2016 already, im assuming i just file for it in my taxes next year?
If you bought it in 2015, then you would likely file it this year (2015 taxes), even if it's a 2016 model.
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So, I bought a Spark EV in 2015, my tax application won't let me put a second EV down. Anyone know what form we use to file EBike tax credits on, or is it the normal EV form and I'm just screwed?
You sound like the kind of situation where a real accountant (not an H&R Block) would be worth the money.
I'll put it down as a misc. form and hope I don't get audited.
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https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf)
Sure looks like it supports two vehicles on the form... we're planning on writing off my Zero and my wife's Volt this year...
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I purchased my '14 SR in 2014 expecting the credit (not knowing it had expired). I talked with the salesman at the dealership and he printed out the tax credit eligibility form, that iirc, stated I was eligible.
I gave the information to our accountant and he later told me that the tax break had expired.
So, just for clarity here, amendment of the '14 tax return for a Zero purchased in '14, will actually work and I should get the refund that partially incentivized me to buy in the first place?
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So, just for clarity here, amendment of the '14 tax return for a Zero purchased in '14, will actually work and I should get the refund that partially incentivized me to buy in the first place?
No, I don't believe that would work.
P.S. I've contacted my House Rep over 3 weeks ago, no reply so far.
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I actually claimed this credit once already, a few years ago, but forget: does the full purchase price of the bike, including dealer "prep" and "destination" fees count (except sales tax) or only the actual sticker price? I just paid $13.5k for a demo '15 SR, but the "price" was $12,445. Actually, now that I think about it, the first bike didn't have these add-on fees. It just arrived broken...
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So, just for clarity here, amendment of the '14 tax return for a Zero purchased in '14, will actually work and I should get the refund that partially incentivized me to buy in the first place?
No, I don't believe that would work.
P.S. I've contacted my House Rep over 3 weeks ago, no reply so far.
You probably didn't send along a large enough check with your letter to get his attention. ::)
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You probably didn't send along a large enough check with your letter to get is attention. ::)
Haha, yeah... In all seriousness, House has been in recess for the last 4 weeks or so. I believe they resume work today actually. But no worries,
I won't drop it :)
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Can Ssomeone give a very straightforward answer? Is the Zero I purchased in 2014 eligible for a tax credit?
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Can Ssomeone give a very straightforward answer? Is the Zero I purchased in 2014 eligible for a tax credit?
Not from the US Federal Government if the purchase date is in 2014. [emoji20]
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Can Ssomeone give a very straightforward answer? Is the Zero I purchased in 2014 eligible for a tax credit?
Apparently my tax preparer was "misinformed" regarding my 2014 Zero S being eligible for a tax credit and I received a $2000 rebate for my 2014 Zero purchase (along with the $900 California rebate). He went right to the on-line IRS rebate form, typed in the information, including the VIN, and it accepted the vehicle and automatically computed the rebate, which I received as a deduction on my 2014 income taxes. It was only recently that I discovered that my Zero was manufactured in December of 2013, so maybe that was why I got the rebate (and I did put a deposit down and sign a sales agreement in 2013). Anyway, all of the evidence suggests that I just got lucky and if you try to go back and claim the rebate for a 2014 electric motorcycle purchase now you will get rejected. Funny though how the purchase of an electric car in 2014 still got a 10% or up to a $7,500 rebate. ??? Someone in Congress apparently didn't appreciate electric motorcycles when the rebate got deleted during the late-2013 legislative session. ::)
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I'm still waiting for the response from Rep. Suzanne Bonamici, it has been slightly over a month since I've communicated to her office. I will give them a couple more weeks, and start writing/calling after that if still no response.
I've done some additional digging around this, and it doesn't look pretty. This does stink like an Equal Protection claim, and based on how this came to be, it may be pretty difficult for the government to justify exclusion of the 2014 even under Rational Basis scrutiny. But first I've got to hear it from the congresswoman.
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You also have a good argument for it effecting the resale value of your motorcycle.
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Just completed my taxes using TurboTax and it was easy to input the information for the vehicle tax credit and the charging equipment tax credit.
However, the form is not available to submit until Feb 18th. Just going to wait and submit them then.
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Huh, TaxSlayer.com has no place for charging equipment and says that credit expires in 2014 (even after I sent them info on the Dec 18 2015 bill).
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Huh, TaxSlayer.com has no place for charging equipment and says that credit expires in 2014 (even after I sent them info on the Dec 18 2015 bill).
try looking up the specific form by name/number.
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OK, so turbotax does it right? Was it the website version or the install-on-your-pc version, benswing?
And taxslayer.com doesn't do it right? Or did you get it to work, nevetsyad?
Anyone, experience with other tax prep so far?
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I used turbo tax. I have already gotten the refund for my charger. I used the online version but I would think it shouldn't matter.
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I'm just using the online version. They just sent me a note saying the form is available now.
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I was told that if I bought my bike before the end of 2015, I would be able to get the refund for it in 2016. Well, the actual tax form uses the "in service date" instead of the date of purchase, so I won't be able to get the refund until next year, having bought my SR on 12/31/15. It still hasn't arrived.
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Well, the actual tax form uses the "in service date" instead of the date of purchase
Well that means I got extremely lucky, as my SR arrived on 01/01/2015... that's right, the dealer actually opened on New Year's day just so I could get my bike. The salesman and one of the techs helped me set it up and ride it into the pouring rain.
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Well, the actual tax form uses the "in service date" instead of the date of purchase
Well that means I got extremely lucky, as my SR arrived on 01/01/2015... that's right, the dealer actually opened on New Year's day just so I could get my bike. The salesman and one of the techs helped me set it up and ride it into the pouring rain.
I'm not sure I understand. You are claiming it on your 2015 taxes, I assume so why did they open on 1/1/15? Or do you mean that if it were a day earlier you wouldn't be able to claim it?
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do you mean that if it were a day earlier you wouldn't be able to claim it?
Yes. I was thinking I wasn't eligible since I thought it was by purchase date, but if it's by service date, then I just happen to slip by.
I don't know why they opened for me, I didn't bug them about "is it there yet?" or anything and I sure wasn't expecting a call from the dealership on New Year's Day.
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"Yes. I was thinking I wasn't eligible since I thought it was by purchase date, but if it's by service date, then I just happen to slip by."
I read in many places that it was the purchase date, but the actual form reads "In Service date" and elsewhere on the net that is explained as "date of delivery." So you just barely get the refund this year, and I have to wait for next year...
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After 2 months of not getting a response, I wrote another message to my representative. Got a response this time, and it's what I call a "fck off" response.
Dear Mr. pacificcricket,
Thank you for contacting me about the tax credit for plug-in electric drive motor vehicles. I appreciate hearing from you.
Internal Revenue Code Section 30D provides a tax credit for qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicles, including passenger vehicles and light trucks. The credit was enacted in the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008 and later amended through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 to include vehicles acquired after December 31, 2009. After at least 200,000 qualifying manufacturer’s vehicles have been sold in the United States, the credit begins to phase out. I will follow the progress of this issue closely and keep your views in mind should it be considered by the House of Representatives.
Thank you again for writing me. If you would like to know more about my work in Congress, please sign up for my newsletter at http://bonamici.house.gov (http://bonamici.house.gov) or visit my Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/congresswomanbonamici. (http://www.facebook.com/congresswomanbonamici.)
Sincerely,
Suzanne Bonamici
Member of Congress
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She is active on twitter: https://twitter.com/repbonamici
What you do with that information is up to you ;)
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She is active on twitter: https://twitter.com/repbonamici
What you do with that information is up to you ;)
Unfortunately (or fortunately) I am not active on social networks. I don't have a twitter account. I am going to try with another message to her office via Congress' website, and then call them if necessary. Not going to drop this.
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You are dealing with some aide who has been told to respond politely and not promise anything. I wouldn't bother further with her.
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the 2015 version of the form
https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8936/ (https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8936/)
a lot of links point to the old version, which says it expired.
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You are dealing with some aide who has been told to respond politely and not promise anything. I wouldn't bother further with her.
Who should I bother with then ? It's not like I can reach out to another Rep and find out the answer. I'd rather reach out to the author of the bill of course.
P.S. wrote the third time to them. If still nothing, I will start sending paper mail (registered).
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Maybe a letter to the editor, other *public* stuff?
Politicians respond to publicity more than to direct contact (unless you're a donor, I imagine)
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Maybe a letter to the editor, other *public* stuff?
Politicians respond to publicity more than to direct contact (unless you're a donor, I imagine)
Yeah, I thought of that. Worth a try.
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Or maybe there's a local green group that has influence. EV owners association, solar installers group, etc.
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Or maybe there's a local green group that has influence. EV owners association, solar installers group, etc.
What really would be helpful, is 2014 buyers on this board sending similar requests to their reps. Rattle up the House of Representatives.
And for even more bonus points, if Zero could contact 2014 owners suggesting that same action.
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Does a demo bike qualify as a new bike? Has anyone with a demo bike gotten the rebate?
The $900 California rebate fell through for me because the dealer did not respond to the email I sent them to verify the bike as eligible--it seems they could have simply replied to the agency but apparently they ignored my email... which leads to question #1--is my demo bike eligible for these rebates?
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A demo qualifies as new if it hasn't been registered/titled by the dealer. You have to be the first one to title a vehicle for it to still be "new." I just bought one, and expect to qualify for the credit - on next year's return.
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I bought a 2015 FX demo, and was able to claim the credit. As mentioned by LeftieBiker, I believe the key is that you need to be the first registered owner, which should be the case for most demos purchased from a dealer.
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What really would be helpful, is 2014 buyers on this board sending similar requests to their reps. Rattle up the House of Representatives.
And for even more bonus points, if Zero could contact 2014 owners suggesting that same action.
Got contacted by the legislative assistant to my congresswoman. Assistant left me a voicemail, claiming they tried to amend the bill to include 2014,
but they couldn't get it in. That's way too abstract and doesn't really answer the question. I followed up with them again via e-mail, this time
directly. But looks like I'm getting somewhere :D
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Alright folks, I've got the answer from Congress :) Get ready for this...
the bill did not have a hearing and when these types of bills are brought to the floor the whole tax package is discussed, not usually why pieces of provisions are or are not in the bill. Therefore, there is not a congressional record of why thousands of tax provision are not in a tax package.
That's from the legislative assistant to the congresswoman Suzanne Bonamici. Basically they just screwed us without any particular reason,
and nobody in Congress questioned it, as they had some "bigger fish to fry." I've started some informal conversations with legal people
I know, will see if something can be made out of it.
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The story that I heard on the internet was that a Republican in the House was trying to screw an Oregon Senator by deleting the electric motorcycle credit provision, which would affect Oregon-built (at the time) Brammo. The story came out as a news article sometime around November 2014, as I recall, just as the budget proposal for the upcoming year was being finalized. Fun and games in Congress.
Here is a quote from the 2014 article:
As the House prepared to vote on a bill to extend dozens of tax credits for 2014, one missing credit raised eyebrows.
The omitted break for electric motorcycles would have benefited manufacturers like Brammo Inc., a company based in Ashland, Ore., the home state of Senate Finance Chairman Ron Wyden, CQ Roll Call’s Alan Ota reported (subscription).
House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., said the omission was accidental, the result of late scrambling to put together a new package. It was not, he said, a jab at Wyden for not backing an earlier deal that House Republicans tried to build with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, Ota reported.
“It was an oversight. We can’t get the score and everything together,†Camp said. “You can’t just turn on a dime.â€
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That could be the case with the expired incentive, but my question was over the new renewed incentive that did not retroactively extend to 2014.
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That could be the case with the expired incentive, but my question was over the new renewed incentive that did not retroactively extend to 2014.
Well, you could argue that the same game is still in play and now that Victory is selling electric motorcycles that are made in Wisconsin (I think), the electric motorcycle credit is now appropriate. ::) The way politics are going lately, I can believe just about any type of backstabbing. :( I don't think Republicans like Oregon all that much. ::)