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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2012 and older => Topic started by: flexydude on December 07, 2014, 05:58:22 AM
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My 2010ds has started acting weird, it wants to go without any throttle, and wants to accelerate when riding at a steady pace. It only has 1300 miles on it. Any ideas?
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Check the throttle POT variable resistor should be 5K ohms make sure connections clean and tight.
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I agree; I have the same bike and haven't had that problem, but have replaced my throttle once when it was proving unreliable.
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ok, now it's acting really weird. It now beeps, the pattern is 5 short beeps then a pause, then 2 more short beeps. It doesn't match any pattern in the owners manual, and also now the bike won't move at all. It beeps with it unplugged, and the master power shut off and key off. Could it be corroded connections? It sits plugged , and ridden rarely. Haven't called zero yet since it's out of warranty.
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where is the beeping emanating from? I'm probably wrong, (!) but thought most of the beeps and error codes came from the charger suggesting a charger problem or (gulp) a battery problem that is freaking the charger out. Is the battery SOC saying 100% and is it charging ok in general? I'd suggest checking all connectors for corrosion and fitment first then start digging deeper.
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beeps are coming from charger area, and I can't get it to shut off, even when unplugged with master power switch off. Glad it's in the barn. Will call zero tomorrow, though I completely lost all confidence in them. Just found out that the new motor for my 2012 that i been waiting for for 2 months is coming from china. Don't care if it was designed in usa, if it's made in china it's garbage.
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to me that soudns like a battery that has gone below voltage; so the charger is warning you it cant engage
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that's what zreo cs told me too. I need to check the battery voltage with a meter. He suspects a bad cell. I thought these batteries were supposed to last 100,000 miles? Will it be possible to replace the cells by myself? I'm not an electrician but i have built a few solar panels from kits. thanks
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Jon logan sent me a flow chart to check for the malfunction. So far the controller is bad, it was replaced last year under warranty and only has a few hundred miles on it! Do any of you electronic wizards know if it can be repaired and who can do it? Logan couldn't even give me a price for a new one, and they don't repair them. The beeping battery is another matter, waiting to hear from the engineer, the pack shows 56 volts, so it's fully charged....
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So i guess i have to replace the mbb to the tune of 104$. At least they have them in stock. Not looking forward to pulling out the battery box, looks like i have to remove the forks to be able to get it out.
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No need to remove forks. There is another thread where I described the process. It's tight but can be done
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can you tell me where to find the thread? thanks
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Look up the Glitch on 2010ds thread sorry can't work out how to link on my phone with tapatalk
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I got access to the mbb. It is glued to the inner side of the front battery box panel. How do I remove it? Also I haven't been able to charge it for more than a month. Will this cause damage to the battery? It had a full charge when I checked the voltage when it first started beeping.
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How long has the unit not been charged? I am not sure about the 2010 chemistry but the newer packs can go several months before you have to worry about them.
As for the MBB I think docbass has experience with this pack and might be able to help. If it were me and it was just hot glued in place I would heat it up and remove it. If it wasn't hot glue I would use something to carefully pry it off. Got pictures?
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Unfortunately, the 2010 bikes had a fairly high amount of current from the battery still flowing into the circuitry when the bike is shut off. This is why they recommended not allowing it to be unplugged for more than 14 days (earlier instructions said 7 days). In the later years Zero greatly reduced this "parasitic" current drain so that the later bikes can be left unplugged for much longer periods of time.
Trikester
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well it's been a month since i ordered the mbb, i called the dealer 3 times this week and he can't come up with an answer as to why he doesn't have the new one yet even though zero has them in stock but they won't sell it to me it has to go through the dealer who supposedely has ordered it 3 times but zero hasn't sent it because their shipping department doesn't know where it is and this is the same shit i been dealing with for the last year or more so now i'm just ready to burn the frikkin things and or get a lawyer and let my 2012ds that has been in the shop for 4 months now get repossessed cause i'm not paying any more of the 4 grand i still owe...!
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I recieved the mbb for my 2010, and watched the training video on how the remove it from the back of the battery box. The part i got is a small printed circuit board, looks nothing like the rectangular box the video shows. Does this go inside of the black box, or is the box a sealed unit? If so they sent me the wrong part. I don't have the batt box open yet, going to drop it this weekend, thanks.
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DoctorBass surely can help you on that.
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finally got the battery box open, and replaced the mbb. I plugged back in the connector on the component attatched to the inside of the front cover, I at first thought this was the mbb. It started beeping again right away, the same pattern. So i just wasted 104$ on a part they said was bad. I actually expected this to happen so I can't be too dissapointed. I don't know what to do or say or think anymore, I am beyond being pissed, confused, dissapointed, miffed. I think the best thing to do is cut the thing up and be rid of it and just chalk it up as a bad piece of my history of owning motorcycles. Guess i could put a little briggs and stratton engine in it, at least i could use it in the yard.
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I know I am going to sound like captain obvious here but do you have anyone locally with the same bike that is running who can let you use their board to confirm it isn't a board issue?
If I had a 2010 that was being a pain in the butt and I couldn't get parts fast enough I would simply start to build my own bike from what worked ...
Sorry you are going through so much trouble. Have you tried to acquire parts through Harlan instead? ... might be faster.
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Who or What is Harlan?
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you're in tucson too? what problems have you had with your 2010?
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Who or What is Harlan?
The owner/proprietor of Hollywood Electrics, the worlds largest volume retail seller of electric motorcycles (mostly Zero's now, I believe).
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Yea I am in Tucson! Near W Speedway and Greasewood. Where are you? My 2010 S is running (whirring?) all right. I get alot of speed variation/surge at light-steady throttle. 2400 miles. Got nogo glitch once- All I have done so far is cycle main battery switch off then back on. Glitch has not returned. What was the range of these when new? Mine is down to just over 20 miles in 30-45 mph burger runs. If you would like talk email me or something.
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Thanks for Harlan info Richard
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Yea I am in Tucson! Near W Speedway and Greasewood. Where are you? My 2010 S is running (whirring?) all right. I get alot of speed variation/surge at light-steady throttle. 2400 miles. Got nogo glitch once- All I have done so far is cycle main battery switch off then back on. Glitch has not returned. What was the range of these when new? Mine is down to just over 20 miles in 30-45 mph burger runs. If you would like talk email me or something.
Mine is doing small speed variation in steady speed. A calibration of the encoder correct it. I did it once at the same time than a firmware upgrade but it came back. Not that much, but it's there.
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Yea I am in Tucson! Near W Speedway and Greasewood. Where are you? My 2010 S is running (whirring?) all right. I get alot of speed variation/surge at light-steady throttle. 2400 miles. Got nogo glitch once- All I have done so far is cycle main battery switch off then back on. Glitch has not returned. What was the range of these when new? Mine is down to just over 20 miles in 30-45 mph burger runs. If you would like talk email me or something.
Mine is doing small speed variation in steady speed. A calibration of the encoder correct it. I did it once at the same time than a firmware upgrade but it came back. Not that much, but it's there.
My bike does the same thing, but not badly enough to make me want to do anything about it. The speed variation is only noticeable if you take time to look for it. ;)
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here is a video of my battery box, now that i have it apart. I don't know what to replace, i put in a new mbb but that didn't fix the problem. click on this youtube link or paste it in your browser: https://youtu.be/0r808xB6QdI
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Thanks for the video Flexy. What is the sequence on the beeps coming from the (assumed) BMS?
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the beeps are 5 quick beeps, then a pause for few seconds, then 2 more. It repeats about every 20 seconds or so. the battery pack voltage is showing about 52 volts even though it hasn't been able to charge for a few months