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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: oobflyer on April 27, 2014, 10:15:45 AM
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Just downloaded and watched "Kick Gas" - awesome documentary. Starring Ben, Rachel, Terry, Harlan, Paul Scott - and many more EV pioneers. Great job everyone! The Zero was the coolest EV in the movie, of course ;-)
http://kickgas.vhx.tv/ (http://kickgas.vhx.tv/)
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I just paid it and watched it and it's an amazing great video with very great peoples. They deserve respect for wqhat they accomplished.
One day I would really love to be part of a such great adventure!
Back in 2009 my great friend Justin Lemire-Elmore have cross Canada from Vancouver to Halifax with his electric bicycle. It have stop by Quebec visiting me during 3 days and that was amazing. This guy is the true pioneer of ebike community. He deserve great respect too
He gave a conference about that trip.
Justin - E-bike Ride Across Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCvo6ffWRdE#)
Some article about that trip:
http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/crossing-canada-on-an-electric-bike-using-only-10-of-electricity.html (http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/crossing-canada-on-an-electric-bike-using-only-10-of-electricity.html)
http://www.meetup.com/vancouver-electric-vehicles/events/9951135/ (http://www.meetup.com/vancouver-electric-vehicles/events/9951135/)
Doc
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Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed the movie!
Let me know if you have any questions about the journey. It was an amazing trip and was particularly fun meeting Terry, Harlan and Gavin along the way!
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You have to pay to watch the video?
Sorry benswing but charging for a video does not fit with the trips ethos of spreading the electric gospel at all. I would happily have donated $10 to a worthy cause if it was an option but I am not going to PAY for it.
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You have to pay to watch the video?
Sorry benswing but charging for a video does not fit with the trips ethos of spreading the electric gospel at all. I would happily have donated $10 to a worthy cause if it was an option but I am not going to PAY for it. Its quite upsetting actually. You could have got it shown on a commercial satellite channel if money making was really the goal but now it will be seen by hardly anyone and those that do watch it, will already be EV converts.
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Thanks for the feedback, NoiseBoy. We have sought out several venues for showing the movie, including some interest from HBO. However, after weighing the options we decided on this method of distribution.
As you can tell from the trailer, this is a professionally made movie, not just an internet video. It is not *mine*, it is the work of a team of people including a professional director, cinematographer, audio engineer, editor, etc. It is expensive to make a movie of this quality.
As you probably read on the www.KickGas.tv (http://www.KickGas.tv) webpage, 10% of our proceeds goes to the excellent volunteer organization Serve Moore who is working to help the town of Moore, OK recover from 6 massive tornadoes last year. We did some volunteer work with them while on the road and their work really touched us so we are trying to help them out some more.
We have received quite a few great reviews from people who have seen the film in its entirety and I hope you will enjoy it sometime as well.
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Well NoiseBoy, you can buy the movie, then put it online for free. See how easy things are :-)
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Well NoiseBoy, you can buy the movie, then put it online for free. See how easy things are :-)
I can't afford to defend myself against copyright infringement rottweilers so not so easy after all.
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O come on Noisy, You can do it. I want to see it for free :-)
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Obviously I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't rip off the project that we put thousands of dollars and an entire summer of our lives into.
If we were sponsored by Nissan, Zero, A2B, Aerovironment, or anyone, then we might be able to share this with the masses for free. However, we did this on our own dime and we'd like to at least break even. I really had higher expectations from this group than to encourage each other to rip off another member's product.
We plan to continue to advocate for electric vehicles in the future so your money is supporting to a cause you believe in, and some of it goes to Serve Moore to help with tornado recovery.
Also, if you are a member of the Electric Auto Association, you can get a discount.
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I think it's a generation gap thing. I'm always surprised how the 'younger' generation expects to be able to download anything for free. I grew up at a time when if you wanted to shoplift a record album (for example) you'd have to find a way to tuck it down your pants, and hope nobody catches you. Now people look at me in shock when I admit I actually PAID for a music album.
I only paid $5 to watch 'Kick Gas' and for that price I could watch it online, or download it onto my hard drive to watch it later. A small price to pay to support a great cause (and be entertained!)
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OK go back and read what was said. "Well NoiseBoy, you can buy the movie, then put it online for free. See how easy things are :-)" Do you see where it said buy. It did not say rent it. It said buy. Have I said it enough. Buy means you purchase the product and have ownership and then you can do whatever you wish with it. I did not say rent it. That is two different things. Buying and renting are not the same thing. Before you call someone a name, at least be literate enough to read!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@bigd - Weren't you encouraging someone else to purchase the movie then upload it so that you can watch it for free? I feel like we should be a bit more supportive of each other, especially guys like benswing who are trying to spread awareness about electric vehicles as an alternative form of transformation.
If you want to see the film, you should buy it yourself - it's not like the money is going into the pockets of rich producers or overpaid actors. These are normal people who want to make a difference.
Plus, I'm sure you can afford the few bucks it costs to purchase the movie.
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biolife - when I said buy it then you can do as u like. For example I bought my car. I can let anyone I want drive it. However, I rented a car a few weeks ago and there were rules for this. therefore, I cannot let just anyone drive it. I did not say for him to rent it, record it, and put it online. I said to buy it then he can put it online in whatever form he wishes. I would be glad to clarify this rather than say what I did but someone had to start the name calling. You know real tough hiding behind his keyboard LOL. Sorry for the confusion.
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Im sorry that your reading comprehension is low frodus. As was plainly stated, I said to buy the movie. Ill say it slow for you. If Noisy buys the movie he can put online, in his closet, on his house, if he so choses. He is now the owner and can do as he wishes with it. I was playing on what Noisy said about seeing it for free. Or did you even read what Noisy said. You have to read all the content to make an inference you know. I know it was a lot of words for you, however, if you are going to be a tough guy and call others name at least try to know what you are talking about. "Its just a shame" your reading comprehension level is that low.
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To clarify my original post. My argument wasn't that I didnt want to pay $10, obviously I can afford it. My point is that this whole project was designed to 'spread the word' about EV's and the trip itself most certainly did that. However I think charging for the video is a poor model. Primarily because the only people that will pay for it are current EV users and/or supporters of the project, preaching to the converted.
Im sure it was expensive and it would have been better to seek funding before hand to cover production costs. In Europe there are organisations that would queue up to fund an art project like this so I assume its the same over the pond. Its obviously more difficult in retrospect but a donation system and paid advertising on the movie would probably make more money than the pay-to-view model. Few people will pay in advance but many people would watch a video and then donate to the cause.
Benswing, Have you approached Nissan to see if they would give you some marketing support if not hard cash? In my experience companies are usually more likely to give you manpower than money.
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Hey guys, no personal attacks.
hmm, I'm supposed to be working but now I'm watching Kick Gas. :D It's great so far Benswing!
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skadamo, thanks for watching! ;D
Im sure it was expensive and it would have been better to seek funding before hand to cover production costs.
Benswing, Have you approached Nissan to see if they would give you some marketing support if not hard cash? In my experience companies are usually more likely to give you manpower than money.
We've explored all the funding options that we know of, including asking all the manufacturers of the vehicles and many others who might be interested, but we're just a bunch of folks who like EVs (without a grantwriter). We're still open to donations from people who want to see the film entered into festivals (Cannes here we come?!?), but for now I just want to see our grassroots efforts spread the word.
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"Attempting to insult me (and failing miserably) does very little to bruise my ego." Im not trying to insult you. I am just pointing out that you have a reading comprehension problem. "Sorry to break it to you, but a peson cannot distribute copyrighted material to others (free or for sale), unless they were the creator of such material or have permission from the creator." You are correct here, however, you neglected to say that the creator can sell the copyright and the one who BUYs it can do as they wish. That is why I said to buy "1. obtain in exchange for payment. "we had to find some money to buy a house". synonyms: purchase, acquire, obtain, get, pick up;take, procure, pay for; "they bought a new house" antonyms: sell •pay someone to give up an ownership, interest, or share.•be a means of obtaining (something) through exchange or payment. •make a profession of purchasing goods for a store or firm. noun: buy; plural noun: buys 1. a purchase."the wine is a good buy at $3.49" synonyms: purchase, investment, acquisition, gain; More" Google.com. Now show me where I said to pirate it and I will be the 1st to apologize. "At this point, you should just edit your post, apologize to benswing and the other producers of the movie and move on. Arguing does very little to tilt this discussion in your favor." As you cannot seem to comprehend, I did tell Bio sorry for the confusion , again I have no problem admitting I could have stated it differently and maybe you would have got it. However, when you call someone a prick, you make it personal. I have no reason to attempt to pacify someone who hides behind a keyboard calling names. However, I will say to Noiseboy, biolife, oobflyer I am sorry for whatever part I played in the confusion.
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@bigd - I think I understand you now - you just meant buy the copyright to the movie from the producers so that the ownership of the movie/copyright actually changes hands. Then, as the new owner of the film, upload it so that others can view it for free. Does that sound about right?
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Bio--- yes sir
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"You have a writing problem." Well we are in trouble then. I cant write and you cant read LOLOLOL. "Buying the copyright actually falls within "or have permission from the creator"" Well, you did not get that the 1st time so was not sure you understood it. "The mistake you made, was when the context changed to purchasing the rights to the movie, you did not let anyone else know that was your intention." If you go back and read (slowly) you will notice that no one said anything about buying. There was a reference to viewing it, watching it, etc. but I was the one who brought up buying it. Your mistake was that you took one segment and made a inference without reading ( or comprehending) the full context. As you notice Bio said "Just downloaded and watched" Now I did not make the assumption that he hacked the site and downloaded it, I inferred he paid for it for I have no reason to think he is not a honorable person. . " It would do you good in the future to fully explain your stance earlier on in the discussion." It would do you good to ask for clarification when you do not understand what you have read rather than call someone a prick. "I'll gladly pay you $10 to go watch the movie," No thank you but you can donate the money to the Oklahoma fund that Ben spoke of.
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"Why would you take offence?" because you said "The issue is that you (that is directed at me) told someone they should buy it, then post online for free so you can freeload" and said "To even suggest that someone should rip it and put it online for others to watch is a prick move (Directed to me)" At that time you assumes I was saying to pirate it. And then you called me that . Period. No manner it could be miss understood. Again, it is called reading comprehension. You take all that was said and apply it. Now I have no problem with someone telling me I was not precise enough, clear, whatever you wish to say, but when you attack me and call me a prick then we are at a different level. I have not called you any names and as you see Bio asked a few questions as to my meaning and I think I was civil to him. But please do not try to insult me that you were not directing that to me.
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I don't have time to watch it but I'll buy it for supporting the community.
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No, actually, your 1st post in this thread was when you started with the vulgar names. Now I am wondering, is it just comprehension or also dyslexia. I can get you some help with those if you would like.
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"Maybe I was just speaking in general" It is called contextual clues and it is made from when you said you. Just because you do not have enough manhood to address someone directly does not mean that it is not easy to notice to whom it is directed.
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Guys, I have been in this type of convo on forums enough to know that no one will win this type of discussion.
Travis, probably a good call to delete the posts. Bigd let it die please.
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@skadamo since you said please and are polite it is over. See how easy it is if you are civil.
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I don't care much for your final jab... but thanks.
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How is that a "jab" ? I thought I was stating a fact. If you would have been rude, I would have come back with something unpleasant. Since you were nice and polite I am letting it go. Hence - see how easy it is when you are civil. And no, not trying to get into a battle with you at all, just making sure I am clear on here for everyone's benefit.
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Getting back to the movie, are you planning on doing any other cross-country trips on a Zero benswing?
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I would really like to do some more long distance trips, biolife.
This summer I intend to do 3 main rides:
1) Mt. Washington in NH
2) Skyline Drive in the Shenandoahs in Virginia
3) Tail of the Dragon in NC (maybe stay there a while and just ride around for a while).
I love road trips and now that I've gone cross country, I really want to spend more time riding long distances. Working on getting a 2014 with a power pack and at least a 7kW charger to go farther, faster. Will post updates of my adventures and probably get a GoPro to video the expeditions!
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Awesome, that sounds like a lot of fun. The charger and powerpack will come in handy I'm sure... :)
The States is a little better outfitted with level 2 and 3 chargers than we are up here in Vancouver, so I'm sure you won't have much trouble making it from city to city without crazy long charging stops :)
I opted not to get the powerpack on my SR, at least initially. I see a few other guys here on the forum have added it on after the fact, and I can't say I won't either since the added range is probably pretty liberating!
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Riding a bike with 14.2 kWh would be great, but right now all this is going to happen on my trusty 2012 ZF9. Unless someone would like to buy my 2012 Zero S with a size6 controller and a 5kW charging system? ;D
Jealous of your SR! I rode Big Blue at Harlan's last summer and it was awesome! It's definitely on my wish list.
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In the end, a bigger battery isn't worth a whole lot when it takes hours and hours to charge (like mine :P), so your current setup would definitely be better than a stock SR, or even an SR with a powerpack. I'm sure the SR, powerpack and upgraded charging setup would easily run you close to $25k once the dust has settled haha...
I'm on the fence right now about the chademo option. We do have a few chargers near where I am, and it would extend my range significantly... but I guess I'll hold for now and see if I really need it. You'll have to direct me to some pics of your current 5kW charging system. I'm really curious to see what it looks like, and the system that allowed you to traverse the US.
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I think I have figured out how to share Kick Gas - The Movie. If you bought it, or would like to see it send me a PM and I'll share it with you.
For newer members, Kick Gas an adventumentary that follows 4 people and their companions attempting to break Guinness World Records for longest journey on an electric motorcycle, in an electric car, on an electric scooter and on an electric bicycle in 2013. Watch their trials and triumphs as they travel from Charleston, SC to Google HQ in Mountain View, CA.
A must-see for anyone interested in electric vehicles, but also a beautiful movie about overcoming adversity and coming together for a larger goal.
Cheers!
-Ben