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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: DonTom on June 12, 2025, 12:23:47 AM
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Or am I am only going by the formula of how many motorcycles we should own, "N+1" where "N" represents the number we currently own?
I just now purchased my 2nd Experia, a new 2025 model for less than 20K$ OTD. with all the luggage.
I now own a dozen motorcycles, half ICE and half electric!
Now I can keep an Experia at each house. I normally ride my Zero DSR/X between the houses.
i will put my 2020 SS9- in a far corner of the garage, out of the way, and start the work of replacing that DCFC fuse. There will be no hurry on that, having two Experias.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Congratulations!
Perfectly normal.... :o ;D
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lol!
Wish I had the money!
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for now:
SS9+ 2020
HD livewire 2020
custom 72v ebike
in near future I hope I can get zero SRF/SRS
in distance future VERGE (used of course after prices drop a little)
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If I called you nuts it would only be out of jealousy! I wish I had that much space and moto cash.
An Experia is really the only bike I would swap my SS9 for. Since private sales/trades seem much less likely with the current predicament, I am picking up the OZ wheels and some spares from the recent Energica sale to keep the SS9 freshened up and riding well. 8)
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for now:
SS9+ 2020
HD livewire 2020
custom 72v ebike
in near future I hope I can get zero SRF/SRS
in distance future VERGE (used of course after prices drop a little)
If they make a decent touring model of that, (like the Experia) I could have my 13th motorcycle soon.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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You would seriously consider a Verge with all its insane design flaws?
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You would seriously 'consider a Verge with all its insane design flaws?
Nope, I didn't know. But I expect first year models of anything to have issues. I think that has always been true. I will consider it after they get the serious bugs out.
I really like the idea of the rear drive. I know almost nothing about the bike otherwise.
What are the more serious design flaws?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The rear wheel IS a massive design flaw. It's unsprung weight. Like 80 pounds of it! I've been saying since day 1 it's a gimmick for the sake of gimmick and it's going to have absolute dogshit handling. And guess what? Motorcycle.com's Troy Siahaan got to ride one for a couple hours and immediately reported that it handled like shit. https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/manufacturer/2024-verge-ts-pro-electric-motorcycle-review-quick-ride-44603878
The handling is all kinds of awkward
Put that aside, how do you change the rear tire? Well, thankfully Verge put out a video showing just how easy it is. See, you just remove 29 blue-loctited bolts which allows you to slide the sleeve that holds the tire on. Then you simply take that sleeve/tire to a tire shop that may or may not have the equipment to remove a tire from a giant axle-less rim. Once you achieve that small miracle you take it home and put blue loctite on the 29 bolts you took off and mount it. How do you balance it? You don't. Because Verge does not believe tire imbalances exist. The video is called "How to change the rear tire on Verge TS Pro" and they literally do not show how to change the tire. It just cuts to the tire being magically changed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpk7y7bWdCc
Next up, have a look at the giant orange phase leads going from the inverter to the hub motor. They're outside the frame and have absolutely no sort of guard or shield because Verge believes that road debris isn't a real thing. Not only is it madness to put the phase leads outside the frame, but it's straight up dangerous to not protect them in any way.
And then, smaller gripe, if you want to make adjustments to the bike's ride modes, that screen is in your crotch. Which is where you want to be looking when changing settings on the fly. Stupid bike.
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Could you imagine that thing on a track weekend. ride friday, change tire saturday, sleep sunday because you are exhausted from wrestling with a tire all damned day, on monday ask friends how they enjoyed track weekend.
Aaron
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I mean, as long as the track is a straight line. You can't really corner with the bike, especially at speeds.
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I mean, as long as the track is a straight line. You can't really corner with the bike, especially at speeds.
Since I ride motorcycles much like a little old lady compared to most other riders, I wonder if I would even notice how poorly it handles.
But I don't think I would consider r a first-year model. But I will probably be dead before they get all the bugs out of a bike like that.
I would want to see hundreds of them on the road for a while.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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These are not bugs. These are proud features. The manufacturer is a bleeding moron.
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Don, those are truly luxury problems.
But I can totally relate.
Yesterday, I stumbled over my hermine coat when strolling through my climatised underground garage and hit my head on the bumper of my Ferrari GTO. Oh my god - the pain!
Men are hunters/gatherers. No more need for further explanations 8)
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Don, those are truly luxury problems.
But I can totally relate.
Yesterday, I stumbled over my hermine coat when strolling through my climatised underground garage and hit my head on the bumper of my Ferrari GTO. Oh my god - the pain!
Men are hunters/gatherers. No more need for further explanations 8)
LMAO!
-Don- Auburn, CA
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First of all, Yes ;D
Secondly, I had a hub-wheel-motor EV bike for nearly 20 years (‘07 Vectrix VX-1), and yes it didn’t do that well over bumps with the unsprung weight, but otherwise it ran fine.
Other manufacturers besides Verge are working on hub-motor designs - because there is the huge advantage of the leaving extra space in the body of the vehicle for batteries (more range!)
With the use of lighter materials in the wheels and hub-motors, unsprung weight is becoming less of an issue it seems.
I test-rode the Verge bike last month for 1/2 an hour or so in San Jose - I was impressed with the technology.
Oh - and the ride modes can be switched on the fly from the hand controls, you don’t have to look down at the display on the ‘tank’. It has a ‘dash’ in the typical location with all of the relevant data.
As far as changing the tire - that does seem to be a challenge. I took my Vectrix rear wheel to a local shop once and they looked at it like I had just pulled it off of a UFO. They couldn’t use their machine to remove the tire from the hubless rim. They ended up doing it by hand with other tools. But it wasn’t impossible - and they did balance it somehow (not the spinning type of balance - but the level-bubble thing).
I wouldn’t rule out the Verge completely. Hopefully they’ll address the other issues, like the safety of the wiring, etc.
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The Verge with some suspension tuning would probably be ok in the highly controlled conditions of a track but I wouldn't wanna hit a pothole on one ...
Hub motors are a neat idea especially because the inefficiency of a final drive is completely removed but the unsprung weight is such a killer for real world applications. They do have a place for much lighter bikes, like they're perfect if you're designing a strictly rightsized motor for an A1 bike where the weight is kept low and the general low speeds they're used at means mass matters more so the efficiency can compound better. As you move up to more powerful, heavier motors though it becomes more and more of a problem which is why frame mounted motors are more common. Even Can-Am's swingarm mounted motor is actually on or very close the pivot axis which keeps the moment down.
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I always wondered if you could use a front hub motor on a drag bike to keep the front wheel down and get off the line quicker. Maybe one of those fancy axial flux ones to keep the unsprung weight down.
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My new toy was picked up today from Livermore Cal-Moto and I rode it back here to Auburn.
Here it is in my garage:
Any my other toys in this garage:
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Quite envious of your problems.... however may I ask the rationale for three functionally identical bikes? (2 x experia and the drsx, arguably 4 with the versys).
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Quite envious of your problems.... however may I ask the rationale for three functionally identical bikes? (2 x experia and the drsx, arguably 4 with the versys).
Me be Rational with motorcycles? Are you kidding? :)
But two different houses, 100 miles/160 KM apart. CCS with only 3 KW AC charging and other bikes with only AC input charging but at a higher rate such as 8KW or 6.6 KW.
I decide what bike to take from either house by the type of charge stations on the way. If none at all at needed locations, then I take an ICE bike.
-Don- Auburn, CA