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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: 2020_SRS_Commuter on December 18, 2024, 05:32:28 AM
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OTW to work, exit highway, sitting on the ramp to turn left. A space opens up in the adjacent lane that will get me closer to the light and hopefully make it through without having to wait for another light change. I move the throttle to go, but the bike doesn't move. No response.
ERROR BATTERY MODULE INELIGIBLE banner pops up on the display. I hit the kill switch, key off, key on, and it's back to normal, working fine. Battery was at normal temp with 44SOC left. Never seen this before in 4 years and 60k miles. The rest of the commute was uneventful. At work I checked and error 31 was set. I cleared it.
Any opinions? I'd rather not go to a dealer if I can avoid it. If its some rare glitch... sucks but ok I guess.
The MBB log for this is:
02033 12/17/2024 14:07:43 ¿©ûMod 2 needs disconnect
02034 12/17/2024 14:07:43 ØʪûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0000 New: 0x0008
02035 12/17/2024 14:07:43 ÀΫûState change from RUN to STOP
02036 12/17/2024 14:07:43 0x51 0xa8 0x49 0x04 0x00 0xac 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x38 0x8f 0x01 0x00 0xb4 0x14 0x00 0x00 0x2d 0x09 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x48 0x8f 0x01 0x00 0x89 0x9e 0xff 0xff 0x53 0x54 0x4f 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x4c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x29 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x32 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfe 0xc7 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02037 12/17/2024 14:07:43 MûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 108638
02038 12/17/2024 14:07:43 M®ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02039 12/17/2024 14:07:43 0x54 0x90 0x4d 0x04 0x00 0xaf 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x5e 0xa8 0x01 0x00 0xb2 0x41 0xfd ???
02040 12/17/2024 14:07:43 `U°ûFault pending: MODULE_INELIGIBLE sets in 30 seconds
02041 12/17/2024 14:07:43 0]±ûFault set: MODULE_DISABLED
02042 12/17/2024 14:07:43 a²ûFault set: BMS_CHARGE
02043 12/17/2024 14:07:43 èh³ûFault set: BMS_STATE
02044 12/17/2024 14:07:44 ?x´ûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0008 New: 0x000c
02045 12/17/2024 14:07:44 p|µûMod_num:(elig, discharge_elig, charge_elig)
02046 12/17/2024 14:07:44 X?¶û; 2(0x200, 0x08, 0x14)
02047 12/17/2024 14:07:44 @?·ûState change from STOP to WAIT
02048 12/17/2024 14:07:44 ?£¸ûEnabled bms 2 clear faults flag
02049 12/17/2024 14:07:44 0x51 0x38 0xa9 0x05 0x00 0xb9 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x54 0x69 0x01 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x1d 0x09 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x41 0x49 0x54 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x4c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x29 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x32 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe8 0x26 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02050 12/17/2024 14:07:44 ºûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217
02051 12/17/2024 14:07:44 ±»ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02052 12/17/2024 14:07:44 0x54 0x08 0xb1 0x05 0x00 0xbc 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???
02053 12/17/2024 14:07:56 09
½ûCHARGER LSS: Freeing CHARGER node id 0x10 for charger 0
02054 12/17/2024 14:08:13 ÀE¾ûFault set: MODULE_INELIGIBLE
02055 12/17/2024 14:08:13 ÀE¿ûOBD-II - Set Confirmed DTC: 24 = P1A1E
02056 12/17/2024 14:08:19 h¿ÀûKill Sw = STOP
02057 12/17/2024 14:08:19 8ÇÁûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000c New: 0x000d
02058 12/17/2024 14:08:19 ?m
ÂûKill Sw = RUN
02059 12/17/2024 14:08:19 Pu
ÃûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000d New: 0x000c
02060 12/17/2024 14:08:22 ??ÄûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4046 New: 0x4066
02061 12/17/2024 14:08:23 øâ ÅûKey Sw = OFF
02062 12/17/2024 14:08:23 (R
ÆûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4068
02063 12/17/2024 14:08:23 (R
ÇûState change from WAIT to HIB
02064 12/17/2024 14:08:23 г
ÈûMTC pending change by 3 from 0 to 0
02065 12/17/2024 14:08:23 0x51 0xb8 0xb7 0x0d 0x00 0xc9 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x48 0x49 0x42 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x68 0x65 0xc4 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02066 12/17/2024 14:08:23 »
ÊûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217
02067 12/17/2024 14:08:23 ?¿
ËûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02068 12/17/2024 14:08:23 0x54 0x88 0xbf 0x0d 0x00 0xcc 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xb2 0x2e 0xfd ???
02069 12/17/2024 14:08:23 @Ë
ÍûFault cleared: MODULE_INELIGIBLE
02070 12/17/2024 14:08:23 (Ï
ÎûFault cleared: MODULE_DISABLED
02071 12/17/2024 14:08:23 øÖ
ÏûFault cleared: BMS_CHARGE
02072 12/17/2024 14:08:23 àÚ
ÐûFault cleared: BMS_STATE
02073 12/17/2024 14:08:23 °â
ÑûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4068 New: 0x0060
02074 12/17/2024 14:08:23 ú
ÒûStopping 12v charge. DC-DC 12881272uV, Battery 12871016uV, Combined 12897423uV, Ambient 30C
02075 12/17/2024 14:08:23 àÔÓûKill Sw = STOP
02076 12/17/2024 14:08:23 °ÜÔûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000c New: 0x000d
02077 12/17/2024 14:08:28 èÇ ÕûKey Sw = ON
02078 12/17/2024 14:08:28 ¸Ï ÖûControl flags changed. Old: 0x0060 New: 0x006e
02079 12/17/2024 14:08:28 Ó ×ûState change from HIB to WAIT
02080 12/17/2024 14:08:28 ?
ØûControl flags changed. Old: 0x006e New: 0x0066
02081 12/17/2024 14:08:28 P
ÙûRequesting 12v charge. DC-DC 440744uV, Battery 13101776uV, Combined 12333321uV, Ambient 30C
02082 12/17/2024 14:08:28 0x51 0x50 0x04 0x0b 0x00 0xda 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x41 0x49 0x54 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x70 0xfa 0xc6 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02083 12/17/2024 14:08:28 8 ÛûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217
02084 12/17/2024 14:08:28 8 ÜûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02085 12/17/2024 14:08:28 0x54 0x20 0x0c 0x0b 0x00 0xdd 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x3c 0xfd ???
02086 12/17/2024 14:08:28 ÞûFault pending: THROTTLE_MAP sets in 90 seconds
02087 12/17/2024 14:08:28 Ø ßûControl flags changed. Old: 0x0066 New: 0x4066
02088 12/17/2024 14:08:30 ¸|àûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000d New: 0x0005
02089 12/17/2024 14:08:30 ¨? áûRegistering Mod 2 (102951mV, 0 brick )
02090 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ?âûState change from WAIT to STOP
02091 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ?2ãûAll Contactors open
02092 12/17/2024 14:08:31 h6äûABS light changed. Old: 1 New: 0
02093 12/17/2024 14:08:31 h6åûMTC light changed. Old: 1 New: 0
02094 12/17/2024 14:08:31 (?æûKill Sw = RUN
02095 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ø?çûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0005 New: 0x0004
02096 12/17/2024 14:08:31 0x51 0x50 0xb1 0x03 0x00 0xe8 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0x32 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x04 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x53 0x54 0x4f 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x31 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0xcd 0xc5 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02097 12/17/2024 14:08:31 8悖Disch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 103217
02098 12/17/2024 14:08:31 8或Ch limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02099 12/17/2024 14:08:31 0x54 0x38 0xb5 0x03 0x00 0xeb 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x2b 0xfd ???
02100 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ðÀìûFault set: CONTROLLER_WARNING
02101 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ÀÈíûcontroller warning 200
02102 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ÀÈîûFault pending: DC_DC_LOW sets in 30 seconds
02103 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ÀÈïûFault pending: ALL_CONTACTORS_OPEN sets in 30 seconds
02104 12/17/2024 14:08:31 ¨ÌðûFault pending: MODULE_AWAITING_CONNECTION sets in 30 seconds
02105 12/17/2024 14:08:31 0EñûPrecharging from module 2, Vpackoc: 103150mV
02106 12/17/2024 14:08:31 IòûConnecting mod 2. V_(mod: 103150, bus: 0, bus_oc: 0)mV,
02107 12/17/2024 14:08:31 èPóûI_(out: 0, lim_dischg: 1064000, lim_chg: -24000, lim_CC: 100000)mA
02108 12/17/2024 14:08:32 Ð< ôûModule 2 Contactor is now Closed
02109 12/17/2024 14:08:32 ¸@ õûAt least one contactor is now closed
02110 12/17/2024 14:08:32 pL öûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0004 New: 0x0000
02111 12/17/2024 14:08:32 @N
÷ûFault cleared: ALL_CONTACTORS_OPEN
02112 12/17/2024 14:08:32 (R
øûFault cleared: MODULE_AWAITING_CONNECTION
02113 12/17/2024 14:08:33 ÀÂùûFault cleared: DC_DC_LOW
02114 12/17/2024 14:08:34 @?úûState change from STOP to RUN
02115 12/17/2024 14:08:34 0x51 0xe8 0xf1 0x02 0x00 0xfb 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf4 0x91 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0x36 0x92 0x01 0x00 0x59 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x31 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xc8 0xd6 0xc7 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02116 12/17/2024 14:08:34 ÐõüûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 109382
02117 12/17/2024 14:08:34 ÐõýûCh limits: curr 26 cap 26 act 2147483647 pow 2675
02118 12/17/2024 14:08:34 0x54 0xd0 0xf5 0x02 0x00 0xfe 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1b 0x39 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x29 0xfd ???
02119 12/17/2024 14:08:34 ýÿûFault cleared: THROTTLE_MAP
02120 12/17/2024 14:08:34 ?ûFault set: CONTROLLER_WARNING
02121 12/17/2024 14:08:34 X ûcontroller warning 50
02122 12/17/2024 14:08:37 XûFault cleared: CONTROLLER_WARNING
02123 12/17/2024 14:09:16 ?4ûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4046
02124 12/17/2024 14:09:17 ?ûABS light changed. Old: 0 New: 1
02125 12/17/2024 14:09:17 ?ûMTC light changed. Old: 0 New: 1
02126 12/17/2024 14:09:34 0x51 0x28 0x88 0x04 0x00 0x06 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe8 0x93 0x01 0x00 0x30 0xf8 0xff 0xff 0xaa 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x2c 0xe3 0x93 0x01 0x00 0x60 0xe1 0xff 0xff 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x0b 0x00 0x00 0x46 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0x4e 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x48 0xfd ???
02127 12/17/2024 14:09:34 ?ûDisch limits: curr 1063 cap 1063 act 2147483647 pow 109914
02128 12/17/2024 14:09:34 ?ûCh limits: curr 106 cap 106 act 106 pow 10960
02129 12/17/2024 14:09:34 0x54 0x10 0x8c 0x04 0x00 0x09 0xfb 0x80 0x6f 0x4d 0xff 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x5a 0xad 0x01 0x00 0xb2 0x2b 0xfd ???
02130 12/17/2024 14:10:13 Ø?
ûclearing firmware update data
02131 12/17/2024 14:10:24 ?
ûclearing firmware update data
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Wet conditions? I had exactly the same two weeks ago. My SR/S was outside in a short shower in the morning, got the message on my way back in the evening in dry conditions. Turning off and on, erased the error and hasn't showed up since.
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Any opinions?
Yes, a couple of them.
1. Forget it happened, you probably will never see it happen again.
2. Don't buy an Experia if bugs like that bother you. I cannot count all the times it died on me for no apparent reason, but usually when I try to activate the cruise control or put the bike in reverse. It then often gets an "undefined fault". Scary at times when it has happened when I was not touching anything, such as right after (30 seconds of riding) a DC fast charge.
No such bugs in my 2020 SS9-. Also, my 2023 Zero DSR/x is bug free--so far with many thousands of miles on them.
But even in my ICE bikes, such as my 2013 TTSE, it has died on the freeway for no apparent reason and set an OBD2 code that I have not seen since.
This stuff has been happening ever since they started putting in the computers in our bikes. Expect the occasional bug for no apparent reason.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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How many other people are plagued with this problem on their Experia? Fortunately not hearing of too many. Did you tinker with something and are not telling?
After charging I always turn all my bikes off and then back on, that way it does a reset and a fresh / hard reboot / restart on them. Ive found that charging doesn't always end properly, some chargers in specific like to give issues, not sure if it' s the final handshake and handoff or what but it's just easier to take 20 seconds to cycle power and Ive never had any oddities like that. I'll let folks know if I do.
Aaron
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No, it was dry and cool the first time. I had just finished a high speed 15 minute highway segment and stopped at the exit.
Last night it happened again. Same situation in reverse, I had run that highway segment otw home. Stopped at the end, wouldnt go when the light turned green. This time the battery was showing red, the last time the battery was showing yellow I think. I suspect that there is a brief thermal issue that causes it to reject using the pack because some part of it is too hot. In the last month my battery capacity started dropping and now, using a wattmeter, I can see that from 2%SOC to full 100% draws only 8.6kwh, and thats including whats used by the chargers. I think the battery is on the way out.
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I can see that from 2%SOC to full 100% draws only 8.6kwh, and thats including whats used by the chargers. I think the battery is on the way out.
"Draws only 8.6KWH" doesn't make any sense.
What was your charge rate (in KW or volts and amps, but not "KWH") and how many hours did it take to go from 2 to 100% SOC?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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It makes perfect sense. kWh is a measure of energy and a wattmeter can calculate that based on the power draw over a certain amount of time. It only tells you the energy input and the actual energy in the battery will be less because they're not 100% efficient, but still 8.6kWh is far below what he should be expecting.
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It makes perfect sense. kWh is a measure of energy
KWH the measurement of energy used or gained in one hour or is the power capacity of battery, which is also measured in KWHs. "Draws 8.6KWH" makes no sense. But if the battery drained down 8.6 KWH, or gained 8.6 KWH that would make sense. if that is what was meant.
If it made sense to you, please explain it in different words. Such as it had an 8.6 KW(not KWH) load, etc.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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What I meant was, the wattmeter recorded 8.6kwh energy used as the bike charged from 2 percent SOC until it thought it was fully charged , showed 100% and stopped charging. When I look at the watt meter after that event, that's what it showed. That includes power consumed by the chargers in doing their job, as well as the power that actually went into the battery.
Today I rode just as fast as I usually, do, and no problems. I'll just keep going and see what happens, this ought to be good for a laugh.
Also to answer your question it charged at the rate you get from 120v... I think it shows 1300w or 1200w on the screen when thats occurring. I don't know how long that took, I was asleep for most of it. I have a lamp timer that turns on at around the right time so that when its done charging, its time for me to leave for work.
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What I meant was, the wattmeter recorded 8.6kwh energy used as the bike charged from 2 percent SOC until it thought it was fully charged , showed 100% and stopped charging. When I look at the watt meter after that event, that's what it showed. That includes power consumed by the chargers in doing their job, as well as the power that actually went into the battery.
Today I rode just as fast as I usually, do, and no problems. I'll just keep going and see what happens, this ought to be good for a laugh.
Also to answer your question it charged at the rate you get from 120v... I think it shows 1300w or 1200w on the screen when thats occurring. I don't know how long that took, I was asleep for most of it. I have a lamp timer that turns on at around the right time so that when its done charging, its time for me to leave for work.
OIC.
What were you using for a wattmeter?
Anyway, a defective battery can charge to full much faster because it will not hold as many KWHs. I had that problem with my Zero DS when it was around two years old. I first noticed it seemed to charge a lot better from the regen. Later, I noticed "magic charging" and it charging to full three times faster than usual. And the range was about a third of what it should have been. It acted just as if my 6.5 KWH battery turned into a 2 KWH battery. Anyway, I got a new battery in warranty, Zero no longer had any 6.5 KWH batteries so they gave me the 7.2 KWH so now it has more a little more range than when it was new.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The chargers especially if you are only charging at 115 volt can eat up to 10 percent of the total energy or more going into the bike, switching power supplies are not very efficient in that manner. Even though it is showing KW, is it showing you KW burned from the wall, or is it measuring it as it goes into the battery?
You said that you use a lamp timer so it turns off, or I should say, is done charging right about the time you are ready for work?. Why don't you leave it set for an extra hour or so? Is there an issue that you don't want the battery to fine balance at the end or soak a bit, even though Lith tech really doesn't need to soak in like Lead Acid does, it will probably still balance out at the end of the bulk charge. Just thinking, this may help balance the pack a little better and possibly reduce the chance of you waking up one morning and finding the bike not ready because of a power fart in the middle of the night.
Hopefully it fixes itself but keep a close eye to see it's not slow sliding into doom on you.
Good Luck !
Aaron
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I'm pretty sure he's using something like a kill-a-watt, so it will be measuring energy consumed by the chargers from the mains and will include the energy wasted by the chargers. He also said he uses the timer to start the charging, not end it, and it's finished by the time he leaves for work in the morning. My guess would be that electricity is a little cheaper overnight.
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I made a box to select between 120 and 240 volts supplied to the Webasto charger supplied with the bike.
There is a contactor inside.
It has two sources of power, obviously.
The 120 is sent or not sent by the lamp timer. This is for contactor control, and for supplying the 120 to the charger if that is selected.
I use the timer, together with the SOC target setting on the bike, to initiate charges automatically that are ended by the bike when the target is reached. Or... I did. Now I don't use the target, it just charges to 100% and turns off. I just have the timer set to initiate a charge so the bike should reach 100 and stop charging, say, around an hour before I leave.
So, to be clear, the bike has plenty of time to reach what it thinks is a full charge.
Sometimes I switch to the 240 if I need a quicker charge. Here instead of supplying the 120, the timer supplies a control voltage to the contactor for the 240 instead, and the bike gets that.
At the other end of the trip, at work, I use one of those Chargepoint stations in the parking lot. What happens there is I plug in, go in to to work, and use the bike's charge delay feature. It sits until nightfall in the 30-40SOC range, and at 9:30 PM charges and finishes shortly before I arrive in the lot to get it and go home.
Following this post are pictures of the timer and the power monitoring thing, cheap but really good, from Amazon.
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timer and display from Amazon
I reset the display with the little blue button so I can see kwh accumulation for each charge staring from 0
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Selector
The light switch looking thing disables a charge if I want to, blocking both the 120 to the bike and the control signal to the 240 contactor
This has the form it does partially because this is the stuff I found rummaging around in the junk piles at work. Sort of a synthesis of the features I wanted and what was available for free to build it.
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Here's the second event. Now I'm wondering if the DC to DC is suspect. Just now looked at this. If the BMS isn't getting the power it needs, perhaps the MBB isn't getting the permission it needs to use the battery pack.
Recently in another thread I added a separate 12v battery to run my accessories because it could no longer manage to power them reliably.
Now I'm thinking maybe the Sevcon converter should be swapped. This event happened right near the end of my highway run, then at the stoplight the ineligible fault occurred and I had to push it out of the road onto the sidewalk
01947 12/21/2024 00:04:21 82ûFault set: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01948 12/21/2024 00:04:41 0x51 0x50 0x22 0x06 0x00 0x9e 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xdc 0x7c 0x01 0x00 0xd0 0x7e 0x01 0x00 0x11 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x27 0xfd 0x7c 0x01 0x00 0x0d 0xef 0x00 0x00 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8b 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x46 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1d 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x38 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x27 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x77 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x3e 0xfd ???
01949 12/21/2024 00:04:41 8&?ûDisch limits: curr 845 cap 845 act 845 pow 82387
01950 12/21/2024 00:04:41 8& ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 2147483647 pow 94
01951 12/21/2024 00:04:41 0x54 0x38 0x26 0x06 0x00 0xa1 0xfb 0xc0 0x4b 0xfd 0x00 0x53 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x19 0x01 0x00 0x00 0xd3 0x41 0x01 0x00 0xb2 0x30 0xfd ???
01952 12/21/2024 00:05:02 î¢ûFault cleared: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01953 12/21/2024 00:05:41 hB£ûFault set: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01954 12/21/2024 00:05:41 0x52 0x90 0x47 0x05 0x00 0xa4 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x68 0x6e 0x01 0x00 0xe8 0x9a 0x04 0x00 0xe3 0x16 0x00 0x00 0x24 0xc0 0x6e 0x01 0x00 0x2d 0x1b 0x04 0x00 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x48 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x44 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x38 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x28 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0x4e 0xc8 0x00 0x01 0x01 0x71 0xa7 0x0e 0x00 0x68 0xa1 0xcf 0x08 0x18 0x08 0x00 0xb2 0x30 0xfd ???
01955 12/21/2024 00:05:48 :¥ûFault cleared: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01956 12/21/2024 00:05:57 °è ¦ûFault set: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01957 12/21/2024 00:06:02 Í
§ûHigh beam activated
01958 12/21/2024 00:06:24 0i¨ûHigh beam deactivated
01959 12/21/2024 00:06:41 0x51 0x68 0x1e 0x06 0x00 0xa9 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd0 0x7e 0x01 0x00 0xf8 0x11 0x00 0x00 0xe0 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x65 0x7e 0x01 0x00 0xc1 0x7b 0xff 0xff 0x52 0x55 0x4e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0e 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x49 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1d 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x77 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???
01960 12/21/2024 00:06:41 P"ªûDisch limits: curr 460 cap 460 act 2147483647 pow 45080
01961 12/21/2024 00:06:41 P"«ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
01962 12/21/2024 00:06:41 0x54 0x50 0x22 0x06 0x00 0xac 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe8 0xfe 0xff 0xff 0x47 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x18 0xb0 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x30 0xfd ???
01963 12/21/2024 00:06:49 XJ
ûFault cleared: BMS_RESERVE_VOLTAGE
01964 12/21/2024 00:06:52 ?¥®ûMTC pending change by 1 from 1 to 0
01965 12/21/2024 00:06:52 h¯ûChanging riding mode to 4, Ride
01966 12/21/2024 00:07:04 ð
°ûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4046 New: 0x4066
01967 12/21/2024 00:07:17 ?>±ûMod 2 needs disconnect
01968 12/21/2024 00:07:17 8J²ûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0000 New: 0x0008
01969 12/21/2024 00:07:17 N³ûChanging state because module request disconnect
01970 12/21/2024 00:07:17 ðU´ûState change from RUN to STOP
01971 12/21/2024 00:07:17 0x51 0x48 0x71 0x00 0x00 0xb5 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x74 0x85 0x01 0x00 0x7c 0x15 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x40 0x85 0x01 0x00 0x82 0xab 0xff 0xff 0x53 0x54 0x4f 0x50 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x17 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x45 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x39 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf0 0x3a 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???
01972 12/21/2024 00:07:17 0u¶ûDisch limits: curr 411 cap 411 act 2147483647 pow 40976
01973 12/21/2024 00:07:17 y·ûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
01974 12/21/2024 00:07:17 0x54 0x18 0x79 0x00 0x00 0xb8 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x47 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x10 0xa0 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x41 0xfd ???
01975 12/21/2024 00:07:17 è?¹ûFault pending: MODULE_INELIGIBLE sets in 30 seconds
01976 12/21/2024 00:07:17 Ð?ºûFault set: MODULE_DISABLED
01977 12/21/2024 00:07:17 ¸?»ûFault set: BMS_CHARGE
01978 12/21/2024 00:07:17 ?¼ûFault set: BMS_STATE
01979 12/21/2024 00:07:18 pp½ûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x0008 New: 0x000c
01980 12/21/2024 00:07:18 Xt¾ûMod_num:(elig, discharge_elig, charge_elig)
01981 12/21/2024 00:07:18 @x¿û; 2(0x200, 0x08, 0x14)
01982 12/21/2024 00:07:18 (|ÀûState change from STOP to WAIT
01983 12/21/2024 00:07:18 h?ÁûEnabled bms 2 clear faults flag
01984 12/21/2024 00:07:18 0x51 0x50 0x9f 0x06 0x00 0xc2 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe4 0x51 0x01 0x00 0xd4 0xfe 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x41 0x49 0x54 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x17 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x44 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x39 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xf8 0x4e 0xc8 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???
01985 12/21/2024 00:07:18 8£ÃûDisch limits: curr 411 cap 411 act 2147483647 pow 36825
01986 12/21/2024 00:07:18 8£ÄûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
01987 12/21/2024 00:07:18 0x54 0x38 0xa3 0x06 0x00 0xc5 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xd8 0xfd 0xff 0xff 0x47 0x01 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb2 0x26 0xfd ???
01988 12/21/2024 00:07:38 àÔÆûFault set: HIGH_THROTTLE
01989 12/21/2024 00:07:39 (óÇûFault set & cleared since last time faults logged: HIGH_THROTTLE
01990 12/21/2024 00:07:40 pÈûFault set: HIGH_THROTTLE
01991 12/21/2024 00:07:40 ¿ÉûFault cleared: HIGH_THROTTLE
01992 12/21/2024 00:07:41 póÊûFault set: HIGH_THROTTLE
01993 12/21/2024 00:07:41 ¡ËûFault set: HIGH_THROTTLE
01994 12/21/2024 00:07:41 àWÌûFault cleared: HIGH_THROTTLE
01995 12/21/2024 00:07:47 _ÍûFault set: MODULE_INELIGIBLE
01996 12/21/2024 00:07:50 `êÎûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4046
01997 12/21/2024 00:07:54 XÍ ÏûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4046 New: 0x4066
01998 12/21/2024 00:07:57 ð=ÐûKey Sw = OFF
01999 12/21/2024 00:07:57 ÑûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4066 New: 0x4068
02000 12/21/2024 00:07:57 ±ÒûState change from WAIT to HIB
02001 12/21/2024 00:07:57 (ÿÓûMTC pending change by 3 from 0 to 0
02002 12/21/2024 00:07:57 0x51 0x10 0x03 0x06 0x00 0xd4 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x60 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x33 0x00 0x00 0x38 0xff 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1e 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x48 0x49 0x42 0x00 0x00 0x30 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x40 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x1c 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xb0 0x17 0xc0 0x00 0xb2 0x45 0xfd ???
02003 12/21/2024 00:07:57 øÕûDisch limits: curr 411 cap 411 act 2147483647 pow 36825
02004 12/21/2024 00:07:57 à
ÖûCh limits: curr 0 cap 0 act 0 pow 94
02005 12/21/2024 00:07:57 0x54 0xe0 0x0a 0x06 0x00 0xd7 0xfb 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xe0 0xfc 0xff 0xff 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xff 0xb2 0x2e 0xfd ???
02006 12/21/2024 00:07:57 ?ØûFault cleared: MODULE_INELIGIBLE
02007 12/21/2024 00:07:57 ?ÙûFault cleared: MODULE_DISABLED
02008 12/21/2024 00:07:57 P"ÚûFault cleared: BMS_CHARGE
02009 12/21/2024 00:07:57 8&ÛûFault cleared: BMS_STATE
02010 12/21/2024 00:07:57 .ÜûControl flags changed. Old: 0x4068 New: 0x0060
02011 12/21/2024 00:07:57 AÝûStopping 12v charge. DC-DC 12588976uV, Battery 12594104uV, Combined 12538449uV, Ambient 13C
02012 12/21/2024 00:07:57 8 ÞûKill Sw = STOP
02013 12/21/2024 00:07:57 (ßûDisable flags changed. Old: 0x000c New: 0x000d
02014 12/21/2024 00:07:59 @àûKey Sw = ON
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Does the BMS get power from the DC-DC? I would have assumed it's powered straight from the battery, either tapping into however many cells it needs for the appropriate voltage (so probably 3 for 12V) or has a way of stepping down the voltage of the full pack.
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I dont know. It would be an interesting thing to try to key up the bike then remove the 12v battery cable. Does it turn off, or error?
Doesnt directly answer your question, just something I wonder about.
All I know of BMS conns is what I can see in the prints derived by AtomicDog shared via Github
Im not a Zero scientist but if I was building it, for safety I would not want to rely on the thing monitoring the power pack to get its power from the power pack its monitoring. Id rather it have an independent source of power, like the PDU, and if the PDU is lost the system shuts down, and if whatever serves as a BMS watchdog signal to the MBB is lost, the contactor opens.
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My BMS logs obtained through ZNG will never parse using the HTML tool. IDK why. Only the MBB ones work.
I made one of those cables to use Terraterm with the OBD2 port.
Ill try that tonight with the laptop I have here.. look at what can be reported about the BMS. Gotta drop this for now, other stuff to do today.
EDIT: You may well be right about the power for BMS, I just realized the extra battery I added to my Zero to power my accessories works exactly like that. Has its own little BMS built right in, which contributes to self discharge.
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Didnt get to the laptop yet but last night I keyed on the bike, then disconnected the 12v battery ground terminal. Immediately the battery light came on on the display. The bike stayed powered up.
I put up the kickstand and tried gently turning the throttle but it was not armed. A banner appeared saying 12v battery low, or 12v low, or some such.
Put the stand down, cleared that error, and when I went to put the stand up again I got another error banner, "traction control fault". I put the stand down, and cleared that.
( 12v low is Fault Code 25, traction control fault is Fault Code 13 )
I put the stand up up again, move the throttle a bit and its armed!!!
So IDK what if anything that has to do with finding my problem... but by experimentation now we know its possible to ride on with a failed battery, and even to be able to " jump start" the SRS/SRF with a dead or missing 12v battery and ride it around. This could be a Plan B for someone dealing with a low 12v battery in the cold or something. You just need some tools to disconnect the negative terminal and another sufficient source of 12v to get it going. Maybe you could even connect a Lipo charger and leave the battery connected, and THAT would be enough to get it going.
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That 12 volts controls the BMS and stuff too correct?
be VERY careful, you are playing with fire if you do indeed have a voltage problem.
Aaron
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That 12 volts controls the BMS and stuff too correct?
Aaron
I don't know. It doesn't come from the 12v battery.
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Just to close this out, Don seems to be right.
After those two "ineligible" events, never saw it again.
Also turns out my battery still has more capacity than I thought... I forgot about the effects of cold weather.
Thanks for all the input