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Title: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 06:34:25 PM
Yes!

Not the only bike I own, and certainly not the bike for every situation, but in terms of what bike is THE most fun to ride...  Energica Rebelle RS!

I rotate riding the various bikes I own, and every time I get back to the Energica,  I am blown away by the riding experience.

When they figure out new battery tech for lower weight and greater energy storage capacity, man o man will it be nirvana. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHttRWq9j24
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:09:55 PM
My track bike this year is  Z400 with some modifications.  Great fun on the track.

 My track does not allow electric bikes, and even if it did, I would be too scared to crash the thing to ride it the way I would like to on track.

400CC bike, and some schooling at a track riding school, is all you need to develop skills on track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOimi-bAj78
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: wadejesu on July 30, 2024, 07:10:07 PM
I Noticed your bar graph ( motor current indicator) doesn't work either, only the anti blocking LEDs show up. 
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:15:01 PM
I Noticed your bar graph ( motor current indicator) doesn't work either, only the anti blocking LEDs show up.

It works, just not captured in the video.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Stonewolf on July 30, 2024, 07:21:39 PM
I sold my other bike
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:24:11 PM
I sold my other bike

 :D
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: TF104 on July 30, 2024, 07:33:12 PM
I sold my other bike
I sold my energica ss9 and I am much happier with my 2013 Yamaha FJR
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
I sold my other bike
I sold my energica ss9 and I am much happier with my 2013 Yamaha FJR

What motivated that decision?
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on July 30, 2024, 07:43:33 PM
Take it on the track pard,  even if just for one day, you'll love it !!   Don't be afraid, give it a romp.  You should be able to honestly get a good entire morning out of one good charge.  Better yet, get your ass down here and we'll both do a track day so I can show you how to ride the thing :D  I got your charging covered here  8)

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:50:01 PM
Take it on the track pard,  even if just for one day, you'll love it !!   Don't be afraid, give it a romp.  You should be able to honestly get a good entire morning out of one good charge.  Better yet, get your ass down here and we'll both do a track day so I can show you how to ride the thing :D  I got your charging covered here  8)

Aaron

 ;D
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 30, 2024, 07:51:24 PM
Can you load an Energica on the back of a cybertruck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxr4b4xVh2s
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on July 30, 2024, 07:53:29 PM
Im debating t he cybertruck.   But I already got my trailer mostly built out so don't really need it.  But that'd be interesting, charge the bike off the truck.  Ill stick with my silverado, it's dependable and paid for.

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: wadejesu on July 31, 2024, 09:52:10 PM
I Noticed your bar graph ( motor current indicator) doesn't work either, only the anti blocking LEDs show up.

It works, just not captured in the video.

What do mean not captured> It's either working or it's not correct?
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on July 31, 2024, 10:29:12 PM
I Noticed your bar graph ( motor current indicator) doesn't work either, only the anti blocking LEDs show up.

It works, just not captured in the video.

What do mean not captured> It's either working or it's not correct?


The motor current indicator does illuminate, but only when I am aggressive with the throttle Rate or Degree of application. 

If I roll on smoothly, it does not illuminate until I get somewhere above 50% throttle (guessing) or if I roll on abruptly, which is not occurring in the video.

I have seen it come on, but infrequently, the way I ride.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: MVetter on August 01, 2024, 01:34:58 AM
You can also just disable the LEDs in the menu options.

And, for my part, my 2018 SS9 is still my favorite bike. Over 43,000 miles and it's dependable as ever.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 01:38:44 AM
You can also just disable the LEDs in the menu options.

And, for my part, my 2018 SS9 is still my favorite bike. Over 43,000 miles and it's dependable as ever.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: flynnstig82r on August 01, 2024, 03:27:51 AM
I still miss my SS9 13.4 like crazy and wish I didn't have to sell it, but I could only count on about 55 miles of highway range from the small battery and that just didn't serve my needs. My current 2007 FJR1300 AE is just too effortlessly good at everything to go back to electric right now, but I have my eye on an Experia or future-equivalent when the time is right. Even the mighty FJR's torque doesn't compare to an Energica's instant electric gut-punch, and a gas throttle will never have the surgical precision of a good e-moto.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Dryer667 on August 01, 2024, 04:17:32 AM
My SS9 is indeed my favorite bike. I have had 12 bikes over 20 years and if I still had them all I would pick the SS9 the most often. Currently, I also have a Tuono 660 Factory which I think is a perfect contrast (lightweight and revvy).
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: jotjotde on August 01, 2024, 01:58:56 PM
Not having owned a motorbike for decades, I re-started riding in '22 with the Ribelle (blame it to rethinking things after Covid and perhaps midlife crisis  ;D).
After 50,000 km I can honestly say I do not need or want something else.

I am not a hardcore tree hugger, but knowing this hobby is not or nearly not polluting the environment with noise and fumes is giving me a good feeling.  8)
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Beauceron on August 01, 2024, 04:09:15 PM
I owened roughly 20 bikes and I loved my Brutale800RR but the reliability was a bit limited similar in case of my ZeroSR/F. So I got my SS9+ and I am pretty happy with it after some modifications. So momentarily yes, it is my favorite, but we never know what the future will bring... ;)
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 07:14:27 PM
Not having owned a motorbike for decades, I re-started riding in '22 with the Ribelle (blame it to rethinking things after Covid and perhaps midlife crisis  ;D).
After 50,000 km I can honestly say I do not need or want something else.

I am not a hardcore tree hugger, but knowing this hobby is not or nearly not polluting the environment with noise and fumes is giving me a good feeling.  8)

We need a like button in this forum.  LIKE!  ^^^
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 07:16:56 PM
I owened roughly 20 bikes and I loved my Brutale800RR but the reliability was a bit limited similar in case of my ZeroSR/F. So I got my SS9+ and I am pretty happy with it after some modifications. So momentarily yes, it is my favorite, but we never know what the future will bring... ;)

The future will hopefully bring even better electric bikes!

Energica should figure out how to sell Elon Musk on the product (I know Musk claimed in the past he will never build a motorcycle).

Imagine a Tesla motorcycle...

Would not be impossible for Energica to hire and task a specialist to reach Musk and sell that idea.  Electric motorcycles need investment dollars, visionary limit pushers, and much better publicity.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Stonewolf on August 01, 2024, 08:59:49 PM
Imagine a Tesla motorcycle...

No thanks, and honestly Musk is not worth wanking over.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 09:14:34 PM
Imagine a Tesla motorcycle...

No thanks, and honestly Musk is not worth wanking over.

Explain.  With genuine curiosity and respect... What am I misunderstanding about the potential to expand the state of the art?
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Kradblatt on August 01, 2024, 09:50:27 PM
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Explain.  With genuine curiosity and respect... What am I misunderstanding about the potential to expand the state of the art?

Its all about Elon, not Tesla.
I won't even buy a glas of water from him if I'm dieing of thirst. He is no good man …
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 10:07:26 PM
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Explain.  With genuine curiosity and respect... What am I misunderstanding about the potential to expand the state of the art?

Its all about Elon, not Tesla.
I won't even buy a glas of water from him if I'm dieing of thirst. He is no good man …

Focusing on the ability to bring exciting electric vehicular technology to market, he has a good credentials.

If he became passionate about electric motorcycles, and teamed up with Energica, we could see some amazing things.

"no bucks, no buck rogers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7rGA0Zv8R4&t=2s

Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: flynnstig82r on August 01, 2024, 10:08:53 PM

Imagine a Tesla motorcycle...

OK, my eyes are closed and I’m imagining the plastic panels not quite fitting together, the owners changing lanes obliviously, and the bike detecting it’s at a third-party repair shop and being banned from the charging network.  ;)
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 10:10:24 PM

Imagine a Tesla motorcycle...

OK, my eyes are closed and I’m imagining the plastic panels not quite fitting together, the owners changing lanes obliviously, and the bike detecting it’s at a third-party repair shop and being banned from the charging network.  ;)

O.K.  I give up !   ;D
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: DonTom on August 01, 2024, 10:19:35 PM
My favorite bike mainly depends on where I am going.


By far, I use my Zero DSR/X the most.  It's usually the most convenient for my rides and usually costs nothing to operate. There are countless free-to-use J-1772 and Tesla Destination charge stations in CA & NV where I do most of my riding.


-Don-  Reno, NV
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Motoproponent on August 01, 2024, 11:43:01 PM
It is definitely my favorite bike. I sold my KTM 1190 ADV as soon as I got my Experia home. I honestly feel like they are very comparable. Especially in terms of power and weight.

I'm taking the Experia this weekend to Weaverville for a rally with another moto forum I'm on. it will be a 1000 mile weekend. My ICE mounted friends know that they will have very few concessions to make to accommodate me charging (if at all). They're happy to let me plan the route and stops, so I plan the natural stops (for gas, coffee, meals, stretches on long days) to happen at charging locations. We're all 50-somethings now so a 40ish minute break every 2 or 3 hours of riding is par for the course.

I don't think I'll ever go back to ICE bikes.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 01, 2024, 11:48:35 PM
It is definitely my favorite bike. I sold my KTM 1190 ADV as soon as I got my Experia home. I honestly feel like they are very comparable. Especially in terms of power and weight.

I'm taking the Experia this weekend to Weaverville for a rally with another moto forum I'm on. it will be a 1000 mile weekend. My ICE mounted friends know that they will have very few concessions to make to accommodate me charging (if at all). They're happy to let me plan the route and stops, so I plan the natural stops (for gas, coffee, meals, stretches on long days) to happen at charging locations. We're all 50-somethings now so a 40ish minute break every 2 or 3 hours of riding is par for the course.

I don't think I'll ever go back to ICE bikes.

Great post!
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: PWM on August 02, 2024, 12:12:48 AM
My '21 Energica Eva-Ribelle is the favored bike when close to home meaning round trip within battery capacity typically 80-mile radius or less, need quick errands to run, take-out food, back road romp she's the one particularly in summer time when juice is free using dedicated solar charger / converter runs  @ 1KW which sounds wimpy but works for me.

My '22 BMW R1250RT is a time machine and favored when long distance travel calls or 2up w/ wifey.  My work commute is 500miles round trip at two week cadence.  We are talking effieciency, range and comfort beyond any 2-wheeled machine owened in 40+ years riding.  Do all my own wrenching on it too...only bring it to dealer for free 12K drive-shaft inspection / 36k free shaft replacement which results in low burden for me.

These are the last bikes I intend to own for rest of lifetime...hoping 10+ good years of riding left, starting retirement soon...thinking already next steps to refresh / rebuild Ribelle battery...still have a few years on factory cells before limp mode becomes a nuisance...heee...heee...keep it green.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 02, 2024, 02:20:34 AM
Well,  hard to say.
Ribelle,I love on the road,   EGO, love on the track, not supposed to have it on the road but what momma don't know, won't hurt her !  :)
Seriously though the EGO is a bit too race stanced IMO for any amount of time road driving, especially waiting at stoplights etc would suck.  It's bad enough waiting in the paddock area for them to let us loose, let alone if you got stuck in rush hour traffic.  But man, to go wot and listen to the wind whistle in your helmet.  there's something special about that.    YES I ALWAYS wear a helmet, sorry but when you hit a beetle at triple digits and it sounds like you got hit with a bullet, no thanks, don't need that on bare forehead.

Sometime this year I am probably going to convert my Ribelle's braking system over to be like the EGO's.  The insane amount of braking power the bike has, I just love it, been in a few bad spots before and having that extra 'security' would make for easier riding.  Not to mention, swapping back and forth between bikes, Id rather keep them as close to each other as possible.  Coming up to a red light hot, and remembering, ooh, this is NOT the race bike, with the race brakes,  easy boy!!!

Now if we could only convince Energica to open the Ribelle up to 150 like the EGO, even if I had to pay a bit for it, id still do it.  I like BOTH bikes on the track, and some tracks, like drag racing,some circuits or divisions you can only use street legals,  so much for the EGO, and having a dragger capped at a buck 25.  yah,gee thanks.

Aaron

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: ultrarnr on August 02, 2024, 05:19:54 AM
I have a Ribelle RS and absolutely love it! That torque never gets old! I have a 60-70 mile commute, mostly on open roads including one half mile of perfectly straight with little opposing traffic. Can't imagine a bike better suited or more fun for my trip to work. But completely agree with Aaron, the top speed is seriously lame.  But I also have a KTM 1290 SA for the long trips which I don't take very often but can not see taking the Ribelle on a long trip considering the state on CCS charging in NC.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 02, 2024, 06:45:05 AM
I have gotten range anxiety a few times but later found out it was unwarranted.  I put 220 miles on it during a normal,  well all mixed traffic day, some highway, stop andgo, 30 mph,  50 mph,  20 mph, and it ended with 11 percent left.  I had another instance where I got in with a ride, and on the highway, and was told, oh this place is only a few minutes away, which turned out to be 35 miles away, so Im like well F#$%k me, I didn't bring any charging cords with me, and we are out in the boondocks here, shit I might need to ride bitch back home and get the gd truck and trailer to get the bike.  I started the trip with 58 miles on the bike already so doing another 70 at ...extra highway speeds, yah...  Well I ended up again, 11 percent when I got home, but on the return 38 miles it was actually, I never went above 65 to 70 mph I was very careful to keep the speed down.  Take it easy on the throttle and try to coast when you get up to speed seems to help a bit.

One of these days I am going to actually suit up and ride my bike TO the track, if I do the speed limit i can make the 105 miles on one single charge but ill be safe and stop about the 60 mile mark and recharge since it is highway running and well.  keeping under 70 is gonna be hard, but honestly, and Ill try to get GOOD numbers, but I think if you keep it at 70 you can get 110 to 120 miles on a charge.  That's not bad actually, especially considering most people aregoing to ride in 'comfort' mode, ie sitting straight up, not trying to be real aerodynamically efficient.

I really want to top it off, get it in the highway and just run it to like 10 percent, just to see how far it can go at 70 mph give or take a few mph.  just to have REAL numbers on what the range really is.  I don't like doing the well, I did 20 percent and lost 12 percent battery so times 5 is bla bla because that is not really accurate, as... as the charge goes down, so does the voltage, so you suck more amps, which means percentage will drop faster the lower you are.  At a full charge  20 miles may drop you 15 percent, but if you are at 30 percent charge, that same 20 miles may drop you 20 or 25 percent.,.. even in wussy mode.

As a side comment, has anyone ever ran their bike to zero, or lets say 2 or 3 percent,  does it just die or will it let you limp it at say 20 mph for 5 more miles.  or what exactly can one expect when they get that stupid?

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: jotjotde on August 02, 2024, 11:07:57 AM
As a side comment, has anyone ever ran their bike to zero, or lets say 2 or 3 percent,  does it just die or will it let you limp it at say 20 mph for 5 more miles.  or what exactly can one expect when they get that stupid?
Aaron

Here me, I was that stupid  8) when the bike was new. But I did that intentionally by riding close to my home, exactly bc I wanted to know what to expect. Limp mode was activated at 4 or 5 % SOC then. Max speed was limited ot approx. 50 kph and acceleration was like granny on a bicycle, that should give you a residual range of about 20 km or so.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Stonewolf on August 02, 2024, 08:07:55 PM
I ran mine about 12 miles beyond zero at one point thanks to two bad chargers in a row.

My average is generally something like 115 miles top to tail staying off motorways and keeping a cruising speed of 60 (real) when not being slowed down by stuff or overtaking. I usually rule of thumb about 95 miles for 80% and 70 for 60% but it's not that uncommon for me to beat that if the route is slow or my riding buddies are feeling laid back.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: flynnstig82r on August 03, 2024, 04:37:06 AM
As a side comment, has anyone ever ran their bike to zero, or lets say 2 or 3 percent,  does it just die or will it let you limp it at say 20 mph for 5 more miles.  or what exactly can one expect when they get that stupid?

Aaron
I’ve been that stupid, multiple times. I think the older 13.4 kWh battery is touchier than the new ones, because I’ve had my 13.4 go into 55 MPH limp mode at 17% SoC where the big rig behind me wanted to go no slower than 70, which was fun. I’ve also had the bike shut off completely at 8% SoC on a country road miles from home, luckily I was able to get it to turn back on and nurse it home at 25 MPH on the shoulder and 15 MPH in a bike lane when one appeared.

I also rode my ‘17 Zero SR 13.0 until it shut off multiple times. That bike was a lot more permissive about letting me abuse the battery until it couldn’t go any farther (77 highway miles on a pack with 13% degradation was the record). I appreciated that leeway, but I could see why they had to replace so many of their packs.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 04, 2024, 05:56:50 AM
Well that's good to know you can get away with a little bit if you get in a jam then.  Probably why they have the extra KW tucked away, just to avoid being stranded.

Granted if you can keep your speed around 35  to 40 you'll do fantastic, its above that where the wind starts to really tear up your efficiency, and about 100 where your KW burn really cranks up hard.

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: PWM on August 05, 2024, 12:55:12 AM

Granted if you can keep your speed around 35  to 40 you'll do fantastic, its above that where the wind starts to really tear up your efficiency, and about 100 where your KW burn really cranks up hard.

Aaron

This is true given (wind) drag increases with the square of velocity and represents the biggest load if riding steady state...
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: SBK74 on August 05, 2024, 02:35:33 PM
As a side comment, has anyone ever ran their bike to zero, or lets say 2 or 3 percent,  does it just die or will it let you limp it at say 20 mph for 5 more miles.  or what exactly can one expect when they get that stupid?

Aaron
I’ve been that stupid, multiple times. I think the older 13.4 kWh battery is touchier than the new ones, because I’ve had my 13.4 go into 55 MPH limp mode at 17% SoC where the big rig behind me wanted to go no slower than 70, which was fun. I’ve also had the bike shut off completely at 8% SoC on a country road miles from home, luckily I was able to get it to turn back on and nurse it home at 25 MPH on the shoulder and 15 MPH in a bike lane when one appeared.


I have owned both 13,4 Esse and 21,5 Ribelle. I have ran both bikes to 0%. Can't say one is more sensitive than the other. Two factors influence early limp: battery temparature (cold winter) and battery balance. A well balanced battery is much tougher in low SOC.  I do notice that the 21,5 needs more effort to balance.



Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: flynnstig82r on August 05, 2024, 10:38:38 PM
Both of those days were extremely cold, around 37 deg F (I think that’s about 3 or 4 C), so that might have been the reason.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: DonTom on August 12, 2024, 10:51:32 PM
It is definitely my favorite bike. I sold my KTM 1190 ADV as soon as I got my Experia home. I honestly feel like they are very comparable. Especially in terms of power and weight.

I'm taking the Experia this weekend to Weaverville for a rally with another moto forum I'm on. it will be a 1000 mile weekend. My ICE mounted friends know that they will have very few concessions to make to accommodate me charging (if at all). They're happy to let me plan the route and stops, so I plan the natural stops (for gas, coffee, meals, stretches on long days) to happen at charging locations. We're all 50-somethings now so a 40ish minute break every 2 or 3 hours of riding is par for the course.

I don't think I'll ever go back to ICE bikes.
I have been riding my 1971 BMW R75/5 a lot lately.


As long as the bike gets me where I am going., I am not too picky.


But I sure was wishing I was on any of my electrics the other day when I was stuck in bad traffic because of an accident on Hwy 395, in south Reno,  while riding my Harley. They do not allow lane splitting in NV and my left was extremely tired from the clutch operation.


-Don-  Auburm CA
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 12, 2024, 11:27:27 PM
Tome Cruise rode a Livewire DelMar electric motorcycle for the world to see. 

I need to test ride that bike,  Hear great things, just has horrible range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBXajYNKhbA&t=11s
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: heroto on August 13, 2024, 06:54:25 AM
I've owned 5 electrics. All were a ton of fun, and my favorite when the ride was short or I didn't mind the weight or the wait.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 14, 2024, 05:59:47 PM
electric is a heaven sent when you get stuck in traffic, it's not belching up all the fumes and heat from the engine while you are sitting in traffic.  This also means it is not wanting to overheat either, because it's not moving.  It's also not burning up gas just sitting. I have a little usb fan I can plug in and put the thing behind my wind shield to blow up at my face a little bit when it's just awful totally still out and im stuck more sitting that riding.

aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Motoproponent on August 14, 2024, 07:17:34 PM
Say what you want about "Commiefornia", "Californistan", or whatever other snowflake melting pwn of the libs.....

Lanesplitting, like real deal european style lanesplitting not just some watered down "filtering" allowance, makes up for all of it.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 14, 2024, 09:58:03 PM
Until porksword spitting his tabaccer wad out, opens the car door to do and pow, hello Morgan and Morgan.

How does lane splitting work when there are 40 bikes all up front, spaced between all the cars, waiting for the light to change?  Guarantee you even in your 'commiefornia' there is going to be more than one car driver saying F that and moving all the way over in 'his' lane to be a dick about it.  It's in their nature.

aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: flynnstig82r on August 15, 2024, 12:39:17 AM
There have been many studies done on lanesplitting, and it results in big reductions in motorcycle fatalities. Additional minor crashes, but fewer serious or fatal ones. Getting rear-ended, especially at highway speeds when there’s a stopped car in front of you, is one of the most dangerous and most common types of car-on-motorcycle crashes, and rear-end crashes are a lot less common where lane splitting is legal, and this holds in the US and around the world.

Sure, drivers act like dicks sometimes and you have to be ready for that, but they do that even when you stay in the lane. The scariest near-misses I’ve had while riding were almost all when I wasn’t lanesplitting. The only places in California where drivers freak out about lanesplitters and drive aggressively are places where they’re not used to seeing it. It’s like bike lanes. When the lanes first go in and hardly anyone bicycles, some people act like maniacs when they see a cyclist, but when lots of people are biking no one even thinks about them or cares.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: DonTom on August 15, 2024, 02:01:45 AM
There have been many studies done on lanesplitting, and it results in big reductions in motorcycle fatalities. Additional minor crashes, but fewer serious or fatal ones. Getting rear-ended, especially at highway speeds when there’s a stopped car in front of you, is one of the most dangerous and most common types of car-on-motorcycle crashes, and rear-end crashes are a lot less common where lane splitting is legal, and this holds in the US and around the world.

Sure, drivers act like dicks sometimes and you have to be ready for that, but they do that even when you stay in the lane. The scariest near-misses I’ve had while riding were almost all when I wasn’t lanesplitting. The only places in California where drivers freak out about lanesplitters and drive aggressively are places where they’re not used to seeing it. It’s like bike lanes. When the lanes first go in and hardly anyone bicycles, some people act like maniacs when they see a cyclist, but when lots of people are biking no one even thinks about them or cares.
I don't see how that can be an issue with legal/illegal lane splitting. Anybody with common sense when they must stop suddenly will look to the rear. If illegal to lane split for a car or two, why should anybody care when it is your life at stake? Should make no difference at all where lane splitting is illegal compared to legal. Break the law to save your own life.


I often lane split in CA, such as yesterday on the way to Reno while in CA. Lots of road construction and single lanes cause a big line until the single lane. I was glad I was NOT in a car because the lane splitting saved me perhaps more than an hour of being stuck in traffic. I noticed many of the cars and trucks saw me coming and moved away from the center to give more room. CA car drivers are used to the lane splitters and often try to help.  But too often two trucks can be stopped in front with not enough room between them. But that usually only lasts a couple of minutes until one lane moves enough.


I am sure glad of the legal lane splitting in CA. It is NOT legal here in NV, but I am only 15 miles from CA, where I do most of my riding.


-Don-  Reno, NV



Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: ddennis669 on August 15, 2024, 06:56:34 AM
Until porksword spitting his tabaccer wad out, opens the car door to do and pow, hello Morgan and Morgan.

How does lane splitting work when there are 40 bikes all up front, spaced between all the cars, waiting for the light to change?  Guarantee you even in your 'commiefornia' there is going to be more than one car driver saying F that and moving all the way over in 'his' lane to be a dick about it.  It's in their nature.

aaron

First of all, my Experia is my favorite motorcycle.

Regarding Lane Splitting, there are a lot of motorcycles in California but 40 bikes at one light would be kind of incredible to see. Fortunately for us the CHP has always used lane splitting as a tool to move through traffic. It's rare that I see a motor cop on a freeway that is not splitting. I think that has conditioned a level of courtesy/respect/fear among car drivers to motorcycles approaching in their mirrors. Plus Intentionally blocking or impeding a motorcyclist in a way that could cause harm to the rider is illegal here. While I don't have a daily commute, when I need to split, I always encounter cars that move out of my path. I have yet to encounter an act of intentionally blocking motorcycles.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Motoproponent on August 15, 2024, 06:43:10 PM
I've been moto commuting in the Bay Area for 30 years. I can count on one hand the number of times a cager has been aggressive towards me. And when it happened I was being a 20-something and kicking the hornets nest. (loud revving, pushing mirrors, other entitled dick young sportbiker shit)

Generally speaking the moto passes through the cager's life in a matter of seconds and there isn't really enough time for intentional, premeditated actions like opening doors or blocking passage. Its hard for people that don't live in a place with a developed moto-culture, like California or Europe, where most drivers expect you to be splitting between the 1 and 2 lanes.

As many motos as there are in California I've never seen more than 5 or 6 coalesce in the wild (other than organized and advertised group rides and rallies). The 40 bikes scenario isn't a thing unless a parade permit is involved. Most riders know that if you split to the front of the light, you move over to the right or left to allow the split to feed a line up of bikes between the limit line and the cross walk. At the green the bikes are through the intersection before the cars behind them cross the cross walk. The information campaign has been effective letting cagers know what's legal. Only in states where its not legal have I had the enforcement minded driver that's going to teach the biker a lesson and try to keep them in their place.

Back to the original post, the Experia is really perfect for this area. I never have trouble finding chargers when I travel. The Adv bike stance is really great for negotiating traffic, ditto for the torque available at any legal speed. The headlight configuration is unique enough (dual lights with the lighted "eyebrows") to be noticeable in the side mirrors of cars in front of me. Leaving the house with a "full tank" every day is so much more convenient than living life with my old KTM 1190 Adv. It's the favorite bike of all the ones I've ever owned.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 16, 2024, 07:40:14 AM
Im not against  lane splitting, it makes a lot of sense to me, just that i see a hard time making it work in states like Florida.  Half these fucking nitwits can't stay in their own lanes to begin with, they are too busy looking at their phones to actually drive or pay attention to whats going on around them.  Then when you do get traffic jams, pretty much every day starting at about 302 pm, I can easily see some jackass in a car, sitting in traffic, 2 blocks from the light, seeing a biker slithering up between rows of cars, doing something because he's angry.  Much of that is probably because lane splitting IS illegal here, but i digress.

On the same note though, since there are so 'few' bikes on the road as you state that they'd not pile up at a street light, then why even bother with the lane splitting?  why give one or two people special privelige?  Is that really going to help solve traffic issues?  I see so many bikers always demanding it, and have to ask, is it really beneficial to the overall situation, or just giving YOU a break?

Aaron
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: princec on August 16, 2024, 03:16:48 PM
Because a lot of us ride bikes to work precisely because we can filter, as it means we have a reasonable expectation of arriving at our destinations at the exact time we expect to, instead of say an hour late because some fool has broken down on the A37 at the top of Pylle Hill causing a 2 mile tailback.

If we couldn't filter, that takes away one of the primary reasons to ride a bike - the other ones being, it's somewhat more environmentally friendly overall, it's fun, it's free to park, and in a very specific small set of circumstances, slightly cheaper.

So if your primary reason for putting up with constant near-death experiences, getting soaked a few days a year, getting roasted a few days a year, usually some other form of discomfort depending on your bike, is not legal, you'd say, "Fuck it" and take the car. And then there's one more car in the way, and it's 50/50 as to whether it's in front of you or behind you.

The take I have on it is that every bike I see on the road is one less car probably in everyone's way. Or in my case until recently, a 2-tonne diesel-burning pickup. I hope my fellow commuters are thanking me every day I don't drive that in front of them any more.

Cas :)
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Pard on August 16, 2024, 07:28:04 PM
The reverse function on this bike is so unique and so helpful.

It was one of the top 3 reasons I chose it over any other electric motorcycle.

Energica does not spend enough marketing energy on getting that out there.

Every time I show it off my riding buddies laugh out loud.
Title: Re: Is The Energica Your Favorite Bike?
Post by: Specter on August 16, 2024, 07:35:23 PM
Oh it's super helpful,  yah they laugh, then you watcht them wrestling their hogs trying to get them turned around, occasionally dropping one, whereas you just do the F and R and are where you need to be.

I just with the reverse had a little more ass to it, for getting the bike in and out of a chock, and the forward, the speed is juuuust enough to get you into trouble with.  Not quite fast enough to be steady and just fast enough to get you to tip if you turn wrong or hit a bump wrong or something while maneuvering it, so gotta be careful.

Aaron