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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: hotsauce on July 26, 2024, 08:04:17 PM
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I've just bought an SR/F and I'm kind of dumbfounded that the storage tank only opens with the key, rather than being a lockable push button. So my thinking is get a blank key without a chip cut to match my ignition key and just leave it in there, only taking it out when I want to actually lock the tank. Zero will sell me a key blank for $87, but since I don't need the chip I'd really like to avoid paying that much.
So the essence of my question is: does Zero use a standard key blank that I can buy elsewhere for cheap?
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Not sure this would work but.
May professional locksmiths have credit card keys. It's literally a plastic credit card,you give them your key and they cut it's shape into the plastic and you keep it in your wallet like a credit card. You get in a jam, lose / forget your key, there it is, you get in the door.
If you call around and ask they might be able to do that for you with that key unless it's some really off the wall fancy kind of key.
Ive actually done this with trailer keys / lock keys too. a small ass key is easy to drop, lose, forget, fall into a tiny place in your truck etc. A credit card size, not so much.
Aaron
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I couldn't find photos of an SR/F key to compare to but apparently the blank is a Zadi ZD23RCP, so if yours looks like this then you can call up some locksmiths and see if they carry it or you can order one yourself and take it to them.
(https://jma-uk.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/5219cf17061b476915773b4bde406b43/1/0/10000_14_9101.jpg)
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I couldn't find photos of an SR/F key to compare to but apparently the blank is a Zadi ZD23RCP...
No the 2023 SR/F apparently, as my key looks nothing like that. But thanks for the input!
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Not sure this would work but.
May professional locksmiths have credit card keys. It's literally a plastic credit card,you give them your key and they cut it's shape into the plastic and you keep it in your wallet like a credit card. You get in a jam, lose / forget your key, there it is, you get in the door.
If you call around and ask they might be able to do that for you with that key unless it's some really off the wall fancy kind of key.
Ive actually done this with trailer keys / lock keys too. a small ass key is easy to drop, lose, forget, fall into a tiny place in your truck etc. A credit card size, not so much.
Aaron
I think checking with a locksmith is definitely the way to go.Thanks!
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I couldn't find photos of an SR/F key to compare to but apparently the blank is a Zadi ZD23RCP...
No the 2023 SR/F apparently, as my key looks nothing like that. But thanks for the input!
I found the info on a random reddit thread, I had a feeling the poster may have got it confused with the keys for the gen 2 bikes although Googling it didn't come up with any blanks that had the rounded shape. Whatever Zero is using for the gen 3 bikes will be a standard blank used by other manufacturers, they wouldn't go through the effort of getting their own proprietary one made, so a locksmith should be able to find out.
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This is what you need:
https://youtu.be/flno2wFReyc?si=7LnixFL4z4TBezmk
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This is what you need:
https://youtu.be/flno2wFReyc?si=7LnixFL4z4TBezmk
Lol no it's not. Spending $150 instead of $87 is the opposite of a solution to my problem, and "I have to turn the bike on to open the tank" is just as annoying as "I have to turn the bike off to open the tank"
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This is what you need:
https://youtu.be/flno2wFReyc?si=7LnixFL4z4TBezmk
Lol no it's not. Spending $150 instead of $87 is the opposite of a solution to my problem, and "I have to turn the bike on to open the tank" is just as annoying as "I have to turn the bike off to open the tank"
$87 is just the cost of the blank, it will cost about $30 extra to also get it cut. And turning the bike on to open the tank requires less effort than taking a spare key out of the tank just to lock it because in that scenario you are then fumbling with 2 separate keys, one of which doesn’t work in the ignition.
Your spare key idea is good. My electric push button is better.
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This is what you need:
https://youtu.be/flno2wFReyc?si=7LnixFL4z4TBezmk
Lol no it's not. Spending $150 instead of $87 is the opposite of a solution to my problem, and "I have to turn the bike on to open the tank" is just as annoying as "I have to turn the bike off to open the tank"
$87 is just the cost of the blank, it will cost about $30 extra to also get it cut. And turning the bike on to open the tank requires less effort than taking a spare key out of the tank just to lock it because in that scenario you are then fumbling with 2 separate keys, one of which doesn’t work in the ignition.
Your spare key idea is good. My electric push button is better.
$117 is still less than $150, and the whole reason I'm posting is I'm not willing to spend that much money to solve this problem. The solution you're trying to get me to give you money for is not a solution to the problem I'm having. If it works better for you, awesome, go have fun. But don't threadjack trying to sell me something
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Put a piece of tape on the mechanism so it doesn't latch. some velcro top and bottom on the lid so it closes an sticks.
Problem solved for about a dollar.
aaron
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$117 is still less than $150, and the whole reason I'm posting is I'm not willing to spend that much money to solve this problem. The solution you're trying to get me to give you money for is not a solution to the problem I'm having. If it works better for you, awesome, go have fun. But don't threadjack trying to sell me something
I’m not trying to get you to give me money or hijack the thread; I shared with you a solution I created and it is a solution that solves your problem. In your original post you stated you wanted a lockable push button. My solution is a lockable push button. It may not let you keep it unlocked while the bike is off but it has the added benefit of “locking” automatically and without having to carry 2 keys. Sorry if you didn’t like to hear about it. Maybe edit your original post to include that being able to keep the compartment unlocked when the bike is off is a requirement for your needs.
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This is what you need:
https://youtu.be/flno2wFReyc?si=7LnixFL4z4TBezmk
Lol no it's not. Spending $150 instead of $87 is the opposite of a solution to my problem, and "I have to turn the bike on to open the tank" is just as annoying as "I have to turn the bike off to open the tank"
You said in the original post you think it should be a lockable button so this guy posted a link to a lockable button 🤷???
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I am currently traveling but I recall my DSR/X key looks like the one sold on Koups page:
https://shop.koups.com/products/zero-motorcycles-fst-key-blank-sr-sr-f-sr-s-dsr-dsr-x-27-08205
Doing a google image search, leads me to key blanks on eBay for a KTM RC8 or a Ducati Monster;
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ktm+rc8+key+blank&_sacat=0&_nls=2&_dmd=2&rt=nc
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/403297346498
No guarantee either will work, and you still need to get the key cut by a locksmith, but considering the low price for these blanks compared to the price of the Zero key (with chip), buying one seems like a risk worth taking.
Of course, your other option is find a real locksmith and see if they have a solution. You will probably need to find one anyway to duplicate your key to the blank.
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2 weeks over 400 views an no one stating they have been to a place with a good selection of blanks and a cutting machine.
My ktm freeride key the place found a blank and cut the key. I had to file it a bit on one surface/area so it went in deeper, They only charded me $2 or so and two of the guys must have spent 10 minutes looking and chatting about electric motorcycle and learning to take the key out of the fork lock before turning the handlebar. I suppose I am a regular guy down at that hardware store (the University of Ct uses them lots which may have a bearing on why they have a super assortment of blanks.) It might be more up to you to look at the blanks, they found the best one but there were others real close.
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I am currently traveling but I recall my DSR/X key looks like the one sold on Koups page:
https://shop.koups.com/products/zero-motorcycles-fst-key-blank-sr-sr-f-sr-s-dsr-dsr-x-27-08205
Doing a google image search, leads me to key blanks on eBay for a KTM RC8 or a Ducati Monster;
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ktm+rc8+key+blank&_sacat=0&_nls=2&_dmd=2&rt=nc
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/403297346498
No guarantee either will work, and you still need to get the key cut by a locksmith, but considering the low price for these blanks compared to the price of the Zero key (with chip), buying one seems like a risk worth taking.
Of course, your other option is find a real locksmith and see if they have a solution. You will probably need to find one anyway to duplicate your key to the blank.
Those blanks don't have the flared opening to the channel which could be vital.
EDIT: Actually, looking at already cut keys it appears the flared part would be cut when cutting the key. Material to one side of the channel is cut away completely.
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I am currently traveling but I recall my DSR/X key looks like the one sold on Koups page:
https://shop.koups.com/products/zero-motorcycles-fst-key-blank-sr-sr-f-sr-s-dsr-dsr-x-27-08205
Doing a google image search, leads me to key blanks on eBay for a KTM RC8 or a Ducati Monster;
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ktm+rc8+key+blank&_sacat=0&_nls=2&_dmd=2&rt=nc
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/403297346498
No guarantee either will work, and you still need to get the key cut by a locksmith, but considering the low price for these blanks compared to the price of the Zero key (with chip), buying one seems like a risk worth taking.
Of course, your other option is find a real locksmith and see if they have a solution. You will probably need to find one anyway to duplicate your key to the blank.
That's what I'm after, thank you!
And yeah the locksmith's solution was to tell me to get the $87 blank from Koups
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You'll want to check with them that they can actually cut that kind of key. Instead of being ground from the side like a regular key it's milled from the top.
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You'll want to check with them that they can actually cut that kind of key. Instead of being ground from the side like a regular key it's milled from the top.
I think keys like that are actually milled. I'm currently in a rental Hyundai and it has a similar side milled key. I'm sure a real locksmith shop would have a machine to handle the job. Not just any hardware store or Home Depot type store.
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Whenever I've had things like house keys cut, Yale style, they've been done on machines like a bench grinder (although of course more precise and with a duplicating mechanism). I've never actually seen any other type of machine before but from a quick search they have ones that look like mini milling machines (only £300 on Amazon, could be a cheap start to a little side business) which would do both styles of keys.
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You'll want to check with them that they can actually cut that kind of key. Instead of being ground from the side like a regular key it's milled from the top.
Yup, laser cut. I've found two locksmiths that can do it.
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I've always wanted the same. I've never found a great inexpensive solution. I am probably going to go the electric route but leave the lock in place also. Pretty sure that would work. Then I can unlock it while riding without shutting it off (drink water at a stop light, etc), but also open it with the key when it's off. The electric route costs maybe $15, or $25 if I go with high end parts.
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The more I look the more I see these side milled keys are now very quite common among vehicles. I noticed that my BMW R1250GS (which has keyless start) also uses a side milled key. Below is a photo of my Zero and BMW key. They are the same size and the BMW key does fit into the Zero's locks. There are places that offer a BMW key blank without a chip for a very low cost. That is probably the route I would go.
https://abkeys.com/products/bmw-motorcycles-chip-less-key-bm9-red-bmw-motorcycle-key-2871
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364910150468