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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: victor6.7y on May 26, 2024, 06:31:45 PM
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Also because I am wondering how reliable a Zero is. But also because forums usually discuss problems. I thought this could add a positive note.
So the question. How long have you used your bike?
Bonus.
- version:
- bike production year:
- years you have used it:
- km you have put on it?
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- version:Zero S
- bike production year: 2019
- years you have used it: 4
- km you have put on it: 21000
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My daughter's (which used to be mine) 2014 S with PT (built in December 2013) still runs like it did when new. It has never had a firmware update. The only major issue has been the need to replace the OBC.
My 2018 S with PT also still runs great, although it also suffered the OBC failure. So far the updated OBC replacements are working just fine.
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16.5k miles since 2021. It's had a lot of warranty work! Brake discs twice, MBB, battery, both charging units, dashboard. And it's on its third belt!
It feels quite sorted now though. The new battery range is especially impressive (125 miles), although it's nerfed my charging rate by 50%. Hoping to get another 35k miles out of it before I've had my money's worth.
Cas :)
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2019 DS 7.2. I got it a few months after it was first registered, ex-demo with about 100 miles on it. It's now at around 8300 and my issues have been having to replace the throttle a few months back, some isolation faults near the beginning of ownership when it would get wet (has been fine for years now), and one of my wheel speed sensors is bad and would give me an ABS fault so I pulled the fuse on that. That last one happened not long after I got new tyres though so I think the shop may have damaged it, I've got a replacement but haven't got around to fixing it.
In terms of maintenance expenses I changed the tyres around 6k miles I think, changed the front brake pads maybe 1k miles back. Had some corrosion in the front brake reservoir from the screws that hold it to the master cylinder, sucked that out with a syringe and topped it back up but I should probably give both brakes a full flush soon.
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DSR
2016
Took ownership in 2017 with about 2.8 k miles on the clock.
Now approaching 150k km (92,512 miles)
One deer kill to its credit
Charge port & On Board charger changed under warranty
Battery replaced just before 5th yr (warranty) with just under 60k miles
Not sure how the original owner kept the battery SOC but with the original battery I would charge to 100% at work & return the next work day with as little as 12% SOC left.
After the battery replacement I cobbled together a combination electronic & mechanical timer(s) to allow precise SOC level to obtain a max SOC of 70 & typically only using between 70~30% of the batteries level.
So far, so good with over 30 k miles on the new 14.4 battery & just now @ 69% SOC the cell balance is 5mv & # of cycles (charge to 100%) is 12.
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That's a lot of miles, and a lot per year. How many other parts have you gone through, like belts, brake rotors? You're regularly only using 40-50% of your battery, have you had many times when you've needed to use more or do you think you could have coped with a 7.2 model all this time (although of course having less power as it wouldn't have been an R model)?
Also if you're going off the number of cycles shown in the app then I don't think it means full charge cycles (0-100%), I don't think anyone knows for sure what it means. At most you'd get what, 140 miles to a full charge? So you'd be looking at over 400 cycles for 60k miles.
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Two of my Zeros are year 2017. I used those for the question.
I would say they are reasonably reliable.
In my DS, I needed a battery replacement under warranty. I also had to replace the front ABS sensor. That also happened during the warranty, but I purchased one from AF1 racing and did the work myself instead of dealing with the dealer.
I do not recall having any issues at all with my 2017 Zero SR.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I had my 2016 DSR for 3 years and never had a problem, traded it for my 2020 SR/F (purchased in 2019). The only problem with the SR/F (big one) was a battery replacement last year, but that has turned out well so far (new battery has been great so far).
Steve
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That's a lot of miles, and a lot per year. How many other parts have you gone through, like belts, brake rotors? You're regularly only using 40-50% of your battery, have you had many times when you've needed to use more or do you think you could have coped with a 7.2 model all this time (although of course having less power as it wouldn't have been an R model)?
Also if you're going off the number of cycles shown in the app then I don't think it means full charge cycles (0-100%), I don't think anyone knows for sure what it means. At most you'd get what, 140 miles to a full charge? So you'd be looking at over 400 cycles for 60k miles.
I only mentioned components that failed as the OP was wondering about reliability, not consumption of expendable consumables.
But to answer your question, yes plenty of tires, belts, pads, & even a rear rotor.
I should have mentioned that I’ve replaced the swingarm bearings (forgot the miles so guessing at 50k(ish) as they had become notchy.
Oh, I also had the front sprocket replaced as I blew it out attempting to get through a 10” or higher mud flow that I didn’t see (heavy rains in the local mountains heading into work at 0dark:30 one stormy morning)
As far as charge cycle count: it’s my understanding that it’s the amount of times the charger has been able (in my case enabled via timer) to obtain 100% or very near it.
As I limit my typical SOC I’ve only charged this battery to full (or close to it) only 12 times in 3 years/33k(+-) miles.
In theory a 7.2 battery may have been able to get away with that size but at the time I purchased (used) 6.5 was the smaller battery & that provided wouldn’t work & would wear out much sooner having to use practical all the capacity every day.
Besides, I justified the elevated cost (compared to ICE) by being able to charge at work for the lions share of my needs (that strategy changed when the original battery wore out).
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Had my '21 SR for 3 years now. The only major problem it ever had was an intermittent issue of the BMS' failing to awaken, leaving the bike inoperable. Each time, it would right itself within about 1 to 4 days. On about the 4th occurrence, there was finally a local dealer, so I was able to have the firmware updated. The issue hasn't repeated since. The only other issue I've had that I was able to remedy myself was failure of the ignition switch. Lack of internal strain relief combined with inadequate slack in the harness eventually pulled a wire from its solder pad inside the switch.
I don't consider it an issue, but I'll add that I have never been able to push a firmware update to the bike via the app ... ever. And since brand new, the dash clock has never kept time, and of course, the battery is soldered to the board inside the dash.
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version: SR/F
bike production year: 2020
years you have used it: 4
km you have put on it? 10k
Issues thus far:
1. CCM failure, replaced under warranty
2. Front brake micro-switch failures x 3 (all original black seal ones, now got new orange seal one on)
3. Battery "magic charging", replaced with 17.3kWh pack under warranty.
No more warranty so got my fingers and toes all crossed. ;D
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2021 SR/S with 9,410 miles on it. Had some warranty work on the rear brake the first month and reliable after that. Bike is my good weather runabout for small chores and fun. I have, but normally do not ride in the rain or if temperatures drop below 40 deg F. Not a hard rider, so still have the original tires that will get replaced in the next couple of months. So far, only one service where everything checked out good, they bled the brakes and replaced the belt because of damage from road debris at my request, just precautionary. My typical ride is short, less than 50 miles so I charge the bike to 75% which at 70 deg or above F. will get me 75 miles range in town & county riding.
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I have a 2022 SR (SR/F Lite) with 10,700+ miles on the ODO, all local LA/OC miles with a mix of freeway, streets and technical canyons. No problems at all. Replaced the stock tires at about 6K miles with Dunlop Roadsmart IIIs. The Dunlops are wearing well, however they're much harder compound and don't give you nearly as much confidence in the corners, but they're sport touring tires anyway. Brake fluid was replaced at 2K miles and 10K miles (1 year of service and then again 1.5 years of service after the first change). Front brake pads are still at 50% (I used a lot of regen when stopping).
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That makes me wish the gen 2 bikes had as much regen. I still like to go with the front brake when stopping hard, however there's so many times when I could be fine slowing using the rear wheel and I'll be trying my best to only use regen (not just to save the pads, a little bit of recovered energy is also good) but it's just not enough and I always end up having to pull the brake lever that little bit further.
Your brake fluid replacement, was that just preventative due to the time or was there some sort of issue?
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My brakes were not grabbing quite as well as before, but it wasn't a big issue. The recommended fluid change interval is 1 year, so I decided to have it done. The mechanic said it wasn't the worst fluid he'd seen, but it was definitely time for a change. The fluid was pretty discolored, but not cloudy.
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Over time, the fluid can absorb moisture out of the air, etc etc, and needs to be changed. Having water in it can reduce the effectiveness of it, as the heat can cause vapor locks and all sorts of non wanted issues. You probably have significant wear on your pads already too, best to check the entire sytem, maybe it's time to just do it all?
Aaron
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2020 SRS bought new in Sept 2020
Currently has 52000+ miles on it.
Stone cold reliable after figuring out a few issues. It has disappeared into the background of my life as a utility I rely on, which is what I wanted. Ride it daily and put it away. Hope that continues. Love it.
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The mechanic measured my pads at about 50%. I'm set to go back in Nov anyways. I'll do the pads at that point, and probably change the belt and put on different tires (something with a little softer compound).
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2018 FX 7.2 converted to a FXS.
15,000 miles. Most of that was from 2018 - 2022. OBC started failing at around 9,000 miles and is slowly charging to a lesser SOC. Currently it will charge to ~72%. I use an offboard charger to charge to 100%. Thats the only problem I've had with the bike though. One firmware update (that I told the shop NOT to do) erased the charge cycles on the BMS to 0. I had some capacitor BMS errors early on, but they disappeared with an update.
Biggest thing I've noticed is the amount of voltage sag when its really cold out. If its 50f out, I may have trouble maintaining 70mph at an SOC of 60% or less. Otherwise if its warm it seems to have similar range as when new.
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2017 SR/ZF, bought it end of 2021 with 32300Km and am now at almost 64000Km.
13Kw + 3,5Kw powertank.
Had already to change the head bearing, rear spring, and at 8600Km the belt. Now the belt is almost done but also the sprockets have to be replaced, the tooth look more like triangles than half circles and are beginning to get sharp. I think I will keep riding it this way until the belt gives out and then I'll swap the sprockets and the belt.
I use between 40 and 50% of a charge per day of daily commute. I try to stop the charging at around 80% but am not able to do that every day. In the summer when it's hot I sometimes drive it to around 10 to 15% after two day's of commuting to let the bike now how much charge the battery really can hold. And at least once a week I let it charge fully for the whole night.
I am thinking of getting rid of the ABS as it sometimes prevents the front brake from engaging in the first few minutes of driving.
In teh summer I get around 150 to 180Km of mostly highway traffic on a full charge.
I intend to keep this bike until it dies on me so I hope the electrics keep working for a long time.
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version: SR ZF 11.4
bike production year: 2013
years you have used it: 9
km you have put on it? 21k
Issues: no
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MY 2014 Zero S, acquired as new in September 2015. Now at ~75kmiles (mainly freeway commuting). OBC replaced under warranty at ~25k miles, replacement still operating. Battery replaced under warranty at ~45k miles, replacement still operates normally. Instrument panel is degrading. Saddle wore through at ~65k miles. Key switch failed at ~70k miles (subsequently replaced). One oddball failure, the front fender disintegrated (subsequently replaced). Generally has been reliable, though I have some anxiety regarding the potential for the replacement battery, given the original factory battery degraded to a point of replacement by 45k miles, and given that there are 30k miles on the replacement battery. Still on original factory belt!
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version: SR with charge tank
bike production year: 2020
years you have used it: 3 (I got it in 2021 as a demo unit)
km you have put on it? 29k km (18k miles)
Issues: OBC replaced twice under warranty, charge tank replaced once under warranty, DC/DC converter replaced once due to recall (could call it twice as when the shop replaced it the new one was DOA so they had to immediately order another one).
Still on the original brake pads because I never stop 8) jk it's probably the regen