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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: DonTom on December 17, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
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I asked about the FW Version 43 at the shop in Roseville, CA. I have not had a chance to get my Experia there for the update, but I will ASAP, weather at the 7,240' summit permitting.
I mainly asked about my 2020 SS9- as it is already in Auburn, CA and I rode it down there to the shop yesterday. My Experia is here in Reno.
I wanted to know if this new FW was compatible with my 2020 Esse Esse 9-.
They said they must ask Energica and get back to me.
Here is what I received via Email:
" after asking Energica, for the VIN you provided the most recent firmware that has been tested is v.42, not v.43. It is unknown if that software would work on that bike. If you wanted to take the gamble, the cost would be $131.25. "
So it looks like not even Energica knows what bikes their own FW will work with.
But what is the V.43? I know it allows better CCS charging (especially with Magic Dock) and has a few bug fixes (that my Experia really needs, and I assume the same goes for all the others with the older FW). But is this V.43 a patch or an entire new FW? If it's an entire new FW, I don't see how it could work on my 2020 Esse Esse 9-. Totally different menus and all.
So what improvements have Experia owners noticed with V43? And has anybody here used it on any bike other than an Experia?
-Don- Reno, NV
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They know what bike it will work with, they wrote it FOR those bikes.
They didn't test it on your special bike because it was not written for your bike.
Gee, will this Corvette update work on my old Camaro? We don't know, we didn't write it for your Camaro, it was specifically written to address the current Corvette's issues.
Oh they don't know what they are doing!! ::)
Aaron
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When I was at my dealer's shop end of September for the 30k service they offered me the FW43 update for my Ribelle which I declined. After the FW42 debacle I refuse to be a test dummy.
The bike has enough bugs as it is ::) ::) ::)
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The bike has enough bugs as it is ::) ::) ::)
I cannot think of any bugs in my 2020 Esse Esse 9 so it's probably best to leave it as is.
OTOH, the Experia is full of bugs and I am hoping V. 43 will fix most or all of those bugs.
But I know what you mean. If it works well enough, no need to fix it, which could even give more serious bugs.
Sometimes FW updates just trade new bugs for old bugs.
But my Experia has enough bugs to make it worth the gamble.
-Don- Reno, NV
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jojo, when I had my bike in, they updated it. I asked them not to but the shop here in Florida are idiots so they did it anyways. Probably got paid to do it which is why they did it :(
To me, it does not seem to be as zippy as it was before they molested it, then again, it IS cooler out so that might play part of it too. Otherwise I don't see any reason to get the update if you do not have an Experia. The charging stuff was tweaked a bit, and I see it now asks you to confirm that you want to interrupt or end a charge before just doing it when you push the button. It also address' some issues with the handshake problems some fast chargers had, although TBH I never seen any of those issues in it to begin with. Some of you were, so hopefully this fixes that for you.
Even with that, it still does NOT automatically release the plug when the charge is complete, you have to cycle bike power to get the little lock to go down. This needs to be fixed IMO. Some people are going to charge publicly and NOT be sitting right there babysitting the charge, this way, and it does happen, someone else waiting to charge, sees 'charge complete' can remove it from your bike and put it in their car without potentially causing damage to your lock mechanism when they do so. We can use another topic to discuss the ethics / courtesy of doing that, but we all know it happens a lot with these impatient clowns running around today.
The Keyfob not in range thing is still a nuisance that exists, though not as often as it originally was. TBH I don't think they will engineer this out just because of the nature of the beast, and the incredibly low wattage the fob puts out, it's just ripe for a mosquito fart to interrupt it. Changing the frequency it broadcast at would fix it but that's a MAJOR undertaking there, a ton of legal and red tape to walk thru, not worth it.
If your stuff is running fine, Id not bother with the update if you do not own the Experia, there is not much needable stuff in it for the other style bikes.
Now if they offered us an upgrade to the 150 mph top end the EGO has for our Ribelle's, even if we had to pay for it, id gladly buy that update!
Aaron
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I'll probably forget something, but the 43 update for the experia is worthwhile. No new bugs. From memory (check facebook and the other threads for additional updates).
1. There's a screen now where it actually shows the firmware version.
2. You can now adjust the heated grips on the fly, relatively easily.
3. Fixed a bug where you could open the "frunk" while charging, now it has to be keyed on to open, which makes sense.
4. Charging improvements, Seems to work fine for me.
5. There was a funny visual bug where it would look weird if you were adjusting the cruise while on the consumption screen, that looks better.
6. I'm sure there's something else...
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v.43 is compatible with all bikes. I don't know why A&S is confused.
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v.43 is compatible with all bikes. I don't know why A&S is confused.
A&S didn't claim to know anything about it. So they contacted Energica and they didn't know if it would work with my 2020 SS9-.
What does the v43 FW do on the older bikes? Anything other than improve charging compatibly and increase Magic Dock charge rate from 8 to 24 KW?
BTW, there are several CCS stations in Yuba City, CA. NONE of them will work with Energicas. At least not with my Experia or my buddy's Rebelle. I wonder if the V43 will change that.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The major things for v.43 non-Experia are the aforementioned Tesla compatibility and the increased timeout on the CCS handshake. This won't really affect anything for experienced riders, but it will help the new owners trying to use DC stations. It was often a point of contention that the bike timed out too soon to be able to start a charge sequence with an app or tapping a card for payment, so they finally addressed that yaaay.
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The major things for v.43 non-Experia are the aforementioned Tesla compatibility and the increased timeout on the CCS handshake. This won't really affect anything for experienced riders, but it will help the new owners trying to use DC stations. It was often a point of contention that the bike timed out too soon to be able to start a charge sequence with an app or tapping a card for payment, so they finally addressed that yaaay.
I find the short timeout to be an issue at some charge stations, but I can usually get them to work one way or the other. Nevertheless, it sounds like it will be an improvement on any Energica. The big hassle is having to disconnect and reconnect every time it times out.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Don't forget, the timeout expire can also be initiated by the charger as well I believe, so Energica's ability to fix that might be a bit limited. Ive noticed mine a few times when I didn't have everything right, the bike is waiting and the charger says NOPE !
Aaron
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Don't forget, the timeout expire can also be initiated by the charger as well I believe, so Energica's ability to fix that might be a bit limited. Ive noticed mine a few times when I didn't have everything right, the bike is waiting and the charger says NOPE !
Aaron
in my country chargers from one biggest provider usually not work - i tested about 30 of them and 28 not work - other vehicles charges before me and even after me so I thought this is some king of uncompatibility
i was with 41 or 42 firmware (I get bike in may 2022), but its just back from energica and they said they updated it to 43 - I wondering if sth will change (ss9+ 2020)
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One thing I have noticed is that the bike is VERY sensitive to the cable being plugged in FULLY and TIGHTLY. Those CCS cables are heavy. Make sure it is absolutely flush and it clicks. I hear two clicks on my bike and then I know the cable IS fully seated. The charger face flexes a bit when I am trying to get the cable in snug so you may hear the metal pop when it flexes, but there is a definite click of the connector and the pin saying ok im in.
If you are having problems getting the bike to start charging, sometimes it won't show anything, it'll just sit there doing nothing and annoy you, try wiggling the cable a bit, pressing down HARD to make sure it's seated fully and flush.
Also if you had a charge fail to start. Turn the bike off and then back on, yes even with the cable still plugged in, THEN reinitialize the charge. With a reboot and fresh look at it, often times, the problem you corrected is now out of memory and it will start right up.
I find that 43 may have corrected some problems but at least in the case of the Ribelle, put others in. I may address them at a later date in another topic if I can get them to repeat, to make sure it wasn't just a one off thing I did.
In Energica's defense, we have to remember BOTH the bike AND the charger can initiate a fault or a charge no-go or shut down. If there was a problem, like a cable not fully seated or something minor that you corrected, and it still won't start, it could ALSO be the charger 'remembering' the fault and not clearing it's error state correctly as well. The bike is saying im ready, the charger is saying, wait, not so fast, but they won't tell YOU which one is being the bitch.
I get it, these are some extremely high voltages at times, yes 800 volts will kill your ass graveyard dead, but jeez, how hard is plug and play?
Aaron
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One thing I have noticed is that the bike is VERY sensitive to the cable being plugged in FULLY and TIGHTLY. Those CCS cables are heavy. Make sure it is absolutely flush and it clicks. I hear two clicks on my bike and then I know the cable IS fully seated. The charger face flexes a bit when I am trying to get the cable in snug so you may hear the metal pop when it flexes, but there is a definite click of the connector and the pin saying ok im in.
Totally agree with Aaron! When the bike was new, I regularily had those connection problems.
The DC stations here often have the cable on a boom, so I try to park the bike in a way that the cable will hang down directly over the bike while charging. Or I park as near as possible to the charger that in the end the cable will not put too much side force on the connection.
I register with my charging card first, then connect the bike. I grab the plug in one hand and cable in the other to insert the plug without an angle into the connector, then pressing the plug into it, waiting until the pin comes up.
Can't remember if I ever failed with this strategy.
Regarding plug release after charge finishing:
At DC stations the plug is always released when charge is finished (remember, I still have the FW42.1).
But I have this issue when AC charging, ever since I got the bike. Energica agreed to have the onboard charger exchanged, but mainly because the LPR function wasn't available as well.
When the new charger was installed, everything worked well until after 6 weeks or so the plug wasn't released again (but LPR function is available).
Looks like a software thing to me. I am afraid these are the things one has to see as the quirky character of an Italian lady 8)
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Has anyone ever received a notice from Energica stating that there was a new FW version available for their bike?
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The Experia owners would be the ones who would be first in line to get this upgrade as their bike had the most issues to correct. The rest of their line, the upgrade is more house cleaning and niceties, rather than important fixes since the other models are doing rather well and have not had any major issues come up with them.
If you own an Experia, id definitely get the upgrade, any other bike, don't lose sleep over it and get it next time you happen to be by the dealership, unless you have been having difficulties with DC fast charge.
Aaron
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The Experia owners would be the ones who would be first in line to get this upgrade as their bike had the most issues to correct. The rest of their line, the upgrade is more house cleaning and niceties, rather than important fixes since the other models are doing rather well and have not had any major issues come up with them.
If you own an Experia, id definitely get the upgrade, any other bike, don't lose sleep over it and get it next time you happen to be by the dealership, unless you have been having difficulties with DC fast charge.
Aaron
Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue and I actually get slightly better range than before the update. It has sorted a few niggles and the system seems a little less "clunky". I've not tried a DC fast charge since the update though.
Smithy.
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Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue and I actually get slightly better range than before the update. It has sorted a few niggles and the system seems a little less "clunky". I've not tried a DC fast charge since the update though.
Smithy.
I will get mine done ASAP, but it is the middle of winter here and I have to get my Experia on the opposite side of the snowy summit. And after I do, I will update my comparisons of the Zero DSR/X Vs Experia. The main issue with the Experia was the countless bugs. I think it will prove to be a great bike without the bugs. I will have to first get the FW update and then ride it a few hundred miles. It could become my favorite bike of all 11 by summer with the new CCS charge locations at places such as Portola and Coleville, CA if all the bugs are gone. I will also use a Tesla Super Charge with Magic Dock on it. Last time I tried it, it worked but at 8 KW max.
I think I heard here there is also an update for bugs in the Zero DSR/X. But I only have one question about that. What bugs? I have yet to notice even one bug with my Zero DSR/x. I think it's best I do NOT update it. Why fix something that works perfectly? That could be asking for trouble.
But my Experia is full of bugs. So it needs to be updated.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue...
Smithy.
Can anyone w/ an Eva series and has updated to FW43 confirm this is true?
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One thing I have noticed is that the bike is VERY sensitive to the cable being plugged in FULLY and TIGHTLY. Those CCS cables are heavy. Make sure it is absolutely flush and it clicks. I hear two clicks on my bike and then I know the cable IS fully seated. The charger face flexes a bit when I am trying to get the cable in snug so you may hear the metal pop when it flexes, but there is a definite click of the connector and the pin saying ok im in.
If you are having problems getting the bike to start charging, sometimes it won't show anything, it'll just sit there doing nothing and annoy you, try wiggling the cable a bit, pressing down HARD to make sure it's seated fully and flush.
yes, happened to me several times so if plug seems wobbly or something I am trying to hold plug/cable while starting charging from app - but this is not a case with my situation - always I have problem with this provider (with tesla 3 no problem or AC)
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Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue and I actually get slightly better range than before the update.
I doubt if your range was affected. It will still take the same amount of power to move the same bike at the same speed and conditions.
But perhaps the update changed the SOC% calibration and makes it seem like slightly more range.
To really know if your range has increased, you will have to ride it from a full charge until the bike goes dead, before and after. the update. And all the conditions, speeds etc., have to be the exact same. Makes it very difficult to prove.
FWIW, I find electric motorcycles usually average around 7 miles / 11KM per useable KWH with average normal riding.
-Don- Reno, NV
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PWM i still get the Key not in range error once in a while, however it is nowhere near as often as it used to be. You do have to remember that there is a lot of other crap that radiates that CAN interfere with the keyfob and the bike. That's part of the, I want to say the Class "C" rules, the FCC puts out for devices like that, it can NOT cause any interference itself, yet has to basically suck it up buttercup, when interference is caused to it. Hell, someone's phone broadcasting looking for open wifi's can potentially mess with it too.
A bank with an older alarm system, or an old ass Sysco router pounding at a watt and a half, can easily overwhelm the signal the keyfob is putting out, thru your pocket and leather jacket so the bike does not see it anymore, and while the alarm is annoying, it actually IS legit.
I would also assume solar activity can probably play as well, it's messing with GPS and some other stuff lately.
Aaron
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Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue and I actually get slightly better range than before the update.
I doubt if your range was affected. It will still take the same amount of power to move the same bike at the same speed and conditions.
But perhaps the update changed the SOC% calibration and makes it seem like slightly more range.
To really know if your range has increased, you will have to ride it from a full charge until the bike goes dead, before and after. the update. And all the conditions, speeds etc., have to be the exact same. Makes it very difficult to prove.
FWIW, I find electric motorcycles usually average around 7 miles / 11KM per useable KWH with average normal riding.
-Don- Reno, NV
Agreed....I'm just going off my normal commute to work which I do every day....same route, same time/conditions etc...I used to get to work with ~78-79% SOC remaining...then after the .43 update....it now reads ~80-81% SOC remaining for the same route... You may be right though, a "recalibration" of the SOC% could be all it is.
Smithy.
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smithy, that's interesting, because in my case Im seeing actually less range, but then again, ive transitioned from summer to winter here so that just may be the cooler temps hitting the battery.
I don't know if this would have anything to do with it but they also claimed to have corrected the speedometer error in 43 as well. I have not verified this yet with GPS is the only reason I say claimed. With that being said, those who tweaked their sprocket teeth to do the same thing here, it might be off now.
That might be a nice thing to add to their software, a place for you to input your teeth so that it can do the math properly for when people DO tweak their bikes for performance etc etc. Of course they'd have to have a south of the mason dixon line variable, that automatically subtracts 3 teeth :D
Aaron
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Agreed....I'm just going off my normal commute to work which I do every day....same route, same time/conditions etc...I used to get to work with ~78-79% SOC remaining...then after the .43 update....it now reads ~80-81% SOC remaining for the same route... You may be right though, a "recalibration" of the SOC% could be all it is.Smithy.
Is it warmer there now than when it was before the FW update? That too could explain it.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Agreed....I'm just going off my normal commute to work which I do every day....same route, same time/conditions etc...I used to get to work with ~78-79% SOC remaining...then after the .43 update....it now reads ~80-81% SOC remaining for the same route... You may be right though, a "recalibration" of the SOC% could be all it is.Smithy.
Is it warmer there now than when it was before the FW update? That too could explain it.
-Don- Reno, NV
It's always warm here Don. Even in the middle of winter it rarely gets to single figures in degrees C. So it rarely gets below 10C or 50F. But does get very toasty in the summer though...40+C is a common occurrence in these parts.
Smithy.
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got bike today, ride back to home 260km
3-4 times suddenly regen was completly off (randomly)
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I don't know if this would have anything to do with it but they also claimed to have corrected the speedometer error in 43 as well.Aaron
As far as I can tell, speedo is unchanged...I still get the same GPS readings vs speedo readings as I did prior to the .43 update. My speedo is very close to correct now since I fitted a 16t front sprocket to my Experia....it's within +/-1kmh of GPS reading.
Smithy.
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got bike today, ride back to home 260km
3-4 times suddenly regen was completly off (randomly)
Which bike..?? Year model etc..?? I'm assuming you had the .43 update and it's now different..??
Smithy.
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is 43 still the latest and greatest? is there a 43.1 or something?
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got bike today, ride back to home 260km
3-4 times suddenly regen was completly off (randomly)
Which bike..?? Year model etc..?? I'm assuming you had the .43 update and it's now different..??
Smithy.
ss9+ 2020
I bought demo in may 2022 (800km odo)
I made 18000km in one year and BATTERY/BMS failed - after dealer sent bike to energica it turned out it was BMS readings fail - they fix it under warranty also flash this new firmware
I lost regen 3-4 times but all was in the city - agressive riding - never happened to me before - regen slightly works but under 20kmh speed
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There are a lot of things that could cause your regen to appear to be lost.
The Bikes main concern is keeping you safe and the wheels pointing down.
What was the temperature out? What was the road condition, and weather conditions out.
How aggressive? If you are doing 100 plus MPH sometimes regen will seem sluggish because of the sheer energy you are trying to put back in and if you are on a rough road, not necessarily banging your ass all over the place but a rougher surface and the tire starts studdering and skipping across it, the ABS will take your regen out to try to keep the wheel from what it sees as locking up.
I have had on cold days, my regen go to hell, and wondered WTF, and upon research figured because it was so cold out, the tires were cold too and skidding a bit along the shitty roads we have here. They are old and the surface is very rough, not a lot of traction and all it takes is a little slip and it'll kick right in. Warm tires that are squishy can grip that road, tires that are at 38 degrees, not so much.
when you finally slow down enough that there is not such a demand on your hard slippery tire, it grips and then the regen will kick back in because it feels the grip.
Ive experimented with the regen a lot, wondering why sometimes when I hit it full it's really wanting to push me thru the windshield and other times it feels like it's barely on medium setting. After a few weeks and a lot of notes, yes, road surface plays a lot, and I came to the conclusion it's all about traction.
Cold and or crappy roads make a huge difference.
Aaron
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as I said - I made 18000km and never has this issue before - I also ride with almost NO TIRE thread so wheel spinning all the time and regen still works
2 days ago wheel spinning but regen was off completly unitl i turn off bike and turn on again
I will try to record it next time
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why would you have no tire tread? Also what is your traction control if you have it / use it, set at? and is ABS on and working?
Aaron
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why would you have no tire tread? Also what is your traction control if you have it / use it, set at? and is ABS on and working?
Aaron
I mean by this - rear tire was worn out completly - and at launch or agressive riding rear tire spin a lot and I never saw regen off - now I have almost new tire
TC ON on LVL 02
abs ON
same settings for last 6months of riding
I think I can replicate that but maybe next week when it will be dry on streets
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why would you have no tire tread? Also what is your traction control if you have it / use it, set at? and is ABS on and working?
Aaron
I mean by this - rear tire was worn out completly - and at launch or agressive riding rear tire spin a lot and I never saw regen off - now I have almost new tire
TC ON on LVL 02
abs ON
same settings for last 6months of riding
I think I can replicate that but maybe next week when it will be dry on streets
If T/C is on, you will not spin the rear tyre under acceleration.
Smithy.
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+1 what he said, you may briefly burp it but your dash will light red and power will cut almost immediately to stop that spin. I have mine set I believe it's 3, midway, at times I may hop the front wheel a little bit, but as soon as the bike even thinks im getting ready to do a wheelie, OR if I 'chirp' the back wheel, it immediately cuts down the power and acceleration until it feels the roads are normal again.
If your tire is worn out and slick, when dry and on a cleaner / nicer road, it will get great traction. That is why they use slicks on the race track. Now throw in a little sand, a little grit, a little moisture on the road and it'll start sliding on a wad of spit, and your T/C and ABS will have a field day with you. Temperature dropping 10 degrees can play a huge part in your TC and / or ABS kicking in as well, as cold tires slide a lot more. TRUST ME, I have an almost soiled pair of pants I can send you for verification that tires will slide a LOT easier when cold !! ;D
The job of ABS / TC is to keep you safe, and there are a lot of things that can affect it and set it off. It's hard to tell you, ok THIS caused your problem w/o being there at the time to see all what was going on, as it could have been a combo of things that set it off too.
As for the regen staying off, and you having to cycle power. There is nothing that I can think of that would cause your bike to do that purposely, EXCEPT for you having a freshly charged battery that was over 95 percent full. It may have just been a coincidence.
If your battery is above 95 percent charged, your regen may be turned off, or severely dampened because there is nowhere for it to put the power from the regen, so you must use brakes instead.
Aaron
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This may have been mentioned before, when fully charged, regen is disabled until the battery is discharged enough to accept regen energy.
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advantage - i have keyless - now bike is boot faster
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is 43 still the latest and greatest? is there a 43.1 or something?
In a Facebook post Robert R Swartz mentioned just two around end of Jan 2024: “there is another that just came out and it is still the same number.”
My Experia got .43 in December and is currently at the dealer for some other work. I made him aware that there seems to be a newer FW.43 with the same number - he replied all he sees is the .43. So maybe / maybe not… :o :o
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They must label the firmware numbers with a 43.0, 43.1, 43.2 or the like if indeed they do make changes. Otherwise how would the factory even know what file they are using?
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They must ...
I'm sure they have internal means to differentiate. I'm less sure if and how a dealer can tell the difference, but even that I do believe. However, looks like they chose NOT to make this transparent. This is not too uncommon if this is only a small update.
Anyway this is unconfirmed rumor based on one FB quote - however it is a very educated and well informed source.
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Not totally sure but I think it's a law that they have to label, even a tiny patch with an updated number, even if it's just correcting a typo or minor glitch. Part of this would be safety reasons, ie if a recall comes for example, so one knows if they are in that group or not.
The dealer would of course know as they should have access to notes etc that us normies would not normally see.
If it's just a cosmetic, or a non performance issue they may not make the upgrade public ie 43.0.01 but all you see is 43 or 43.0 but they'll be able to see that themselves.
Aaron
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advantage - i have keyless - now bike is boot faster
another thing with keyless (WITHOUT KEY)
OLD FIRMWARE - pressing power button shortly - nothing happen, pressing power button LONG (25-35s or so) then bike start and asking for PIN
NEW FIRMWARE - pressing power button shortly - bike light up logo on LCD but after 2-3s tells KEY NOT IN RANGE and OFF, pressing power button and HOLDING it till MAIN SCREEN LOGO goes to PIN screen (total maybe 15s)
so its definanetly quicker than before, but i dont know its really good thing - now when I leave bike unattended and if someone will passing by and want to mess with bike can push button and bike will light up - before 20-30s without key till boot was OK I think
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I got V43 on my ‘21 Ribelle about 1 month ago (Feb 8th).
Now I can charge at the Tesla Magic Dock stations (charged at 23 kW in Placerville).
It also now works at the BP Pulse stations (didn’t before).
It also now supports EVgo’s Plug&Charge feature (didn’t before).
It had no effect on the key fob detection (unfortunately).
As someone who enjoys long rides this is a significant improvement.
I have not seen any downside/new bugs as of yet.
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There are a lot of things that could cause your regen to appear to be lost.
The Bikes main concern is keeping you safe and the wheels pointing down.
What was the temperature out? What was the road condition, and weather conditions out.
How aggressive? If you are doing 100 plus MPH sometimes regen will seem sluggish because of the sheer energy you are trying to put back in and if you are on a rough road, not necessarily banging your ass all over the place but a rougher surface and the tire starts studdering and skipping across it, the ABS will take your regen out to try to keep the wheel from what it sees as locking up.
I have had on cold days, my regen go to hell, and wondered WTF, and upon research figured because it was so cold out, the tires were cold too and skidding a bit along the shitty roads we have here. They are old and the surface is very rough, not a lot of traction and all it takes is a little slip and it'll kick right in. Warm tires that are squishy can grip that road, tires that are at 38 degrees, not so much.
when you finally slow down enough that there is not such a demand on your hard slippery tire, it grips and then the regen will kick back in because it feels the grip.
Ive experimented with the regen a lot, wondering why sometimes when I hit it full it's really wanting to push me thru the windshield and other times it feels like it's barely on medium setting. After a few weeks and a lot of notes, yes, road surface plays a lot, and I came to the conclusion it's all about traction.
Cold and or crappy roads make a huge difference.
Aaron
I am back with more news.
red light only at top of dash (no regen) are completly random - I made trip week ago (1200km 2 days - regen off situation happened maybe twice) - I have break for few days and for example yesterday I got regen off while I am start riding (had to stop and turn off/turn on), after 10km I stopped for shopping, back in 10minutes and same situation - regen off - wtf
as I said SoC doesnt matter bcoz it was 60-70%, also there was no tire spinning or something like that
today 200km ride - will see
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The red lights at top of dash could also be your traction control kicking in. If you hit a bump, it doesn't even have to be a big one, or a washboard type of road and it's lumpy, they'll turn on momentarily as you bump along, especially if it's colder out and the tires are more prone to jump / bounce off road instead of flex and absorb it.
You could also have a buggy update install as well, which would really suck. What mode / number is your traction control and ABS in just out of curiosity.
Aaron
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red light only at top of dash (no regen) are completely random -
Please refer to the "dashboard" section of your owner's manual. Those red lights indicate one of the safety systems is being activated: ABS, eABS or TC
From the manual
The intervention of the eABS
system is indicated by the activation of the red LED
indicators to the right and left of the motor power indicator.
This indicator is also activated by the Traction Control system in
case of loss of grip under acceleration, and by the ABS system in
case of loss of grip under braking.
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v.43 is compatible with all bikes. I don't know why A&S is confused.
Wrong!!!
I took both my bikes in for the FW update. My Experia and my 2020 SS9-
Experia now has the V.43.
Here is what I have in writing from A&S (long story, but they had a cable to do the FW updates after all):
2020 Energica Esse Esse 9- (smaller battery only in year 2020 models):
"Firmware Update V.43:
Description: Customer would like us to attempt to update the firmware to Version 43.
"Resolution: Attempted software update previous SW version was .34, upgrade available was up to .42.
"Performed software update to 42 and checked to see if 43 would become available. .43 is NOT applicable for this year. Confirmed via searching available technical bulletins linked to Vin." Tech 99 @ A&S @ Roseville, CA
I have no idea what the .42 does that the .34 did not, other than show the version number of "42" in the "About" screen.
I had to rush back to Reno and leave the bike there in Auburn, so I can check it better next time. But that bike did NOT have any bugs, unlike my Experia before the update,
-Don- Reno, NV
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Had my Experia updated a couple of months ago, I no longer get the "key not in range" issue and I actually get slightly better range than before the update. It has sorted a few niggles and the system seems a little less "clunky". I've not tried a DC fast charge since the update though.Smithy.
I got the "key not in range" message on my Experia on the ride home from just getting the 43 FW installed. The keyfob was in my right pocket.
Since the time of your post, have you also gotten the message? I assume so.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Don is correct! I am wrong in this case. Firmware v.43 is not applicable to all Energica bikes. I asked around and found out that early VINs do not qualify. Like my bike. Thankfully I have a handy dandy qualification chart:
VIN numbers: ZNNP – ZNNR – ZNNT – ZNNL – ZNND – ZNNZ - ZNNF
These are the VIN prefix that can receive 043.
So check your bike if you have an older one, like me.
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Don is correct! I am wrong in this case. Firmware v.43 is not applicable to all Energica bikes. I asked around and found out that early VINs do not qualify. Like my bike. Thankfully I have a handy dandy qualification chart:
VIN numbers: ZNNP – ZNNR – ZNNT – ZNNL – ZNND – ZNNZ - ZNNF
These are the VIN prefix that can receive 043.
So check your bike if you have an older one, like me.
Thanks for the info. Didn't find that anywhere else. My SS9+RS seems to qualify (ZNNZ). Not sure if it's a good idea to update as it's running stable with version 42 and I don't want to risk that.
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Don is correct! I am wrong in this case. Firmware v.43 is not applicable to all Energica bikes. I asked around and found out that early VINs do not qualify. Like my bike. Thankfully I have a handy dandy qualification chart:
VIN numbers: ZNNP – ZNNR – ZNNT – ZNNL – ZNND – ZNNZ - ZNNF
These are the VIN prefix that can receive 043.
So check your bike if you have an older one, like me.
My 2020 Esse Esse 9, must be an early one as I purchased it in Aug of 2019, its VIN prefix is ZNNS. Looks like perhaps the Energica VIN prefix numbers have no logical order to them by date.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I picked up my Experia yesterday and rode it back to Reno from Auburn, CA the same day.
If version 43 is supposed to fix any of my bugs, it didn't in my Experia.
In the 99-mile ride back, I still experienced several bugs I had in the past.
First bug yesterday with V 43:
I use reverse to get out of my garage. Goes a few feet and then motor dies with the same old "undefined faut-contact service".
2nd Bug:
Then I reboot, start to head to Reno. I get the "FOB out of range" message in less than a half mile.
Again around 20 miles up the freeway.
The I take a break at the Truckee, CA airport as I get a free charge.
I stop the AC charge after I gain 10% SOC (nice long break).
I use reverse again. Same problem "undefined fault". Then need to turn the bike off and on again. Next time reverse okay, no fault.
3rd bug:
Now back on the freeway. About two miles up it, my screen says that "The charging cable may now be removed".
If version 43 is supposed to fix any bugs, it didn't on my Experia.
I have not yet tried a fast charger since v 43, but perhaps that will be the only thing it does better.
But so far, I am disappointed with version 43 as it fixed none of my bugs.
Is V43 only supposed to improve charging? Has no bug fixes?
-Don- Reno, NV
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I listed bug fixes that I noticed on my experia in the first page of this thread. I don't get an undefined fault in reverse and went with keye'd vs keyless, so I don't have those 2 bugs.
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I listed bug fixes that I noticed on my experia in the first page of this thread. I don't get an undefined fault in reverse and went with keye'd vs keyless, so I don't have those 2 bugs.
Yeah, it did make those improvements.
But those fixes are not exactly "bugs".
Now, even my 2020 SS9 shows the version number, updated to 42.
I will go to the Magic Dock and see what happens on that bike, updated to 42. I never tried the Magic Dock on my SS9.
I will post here the results. I assume since it is not compatible with 43, it will only charge at around 8 KW.
Placerville is not far from here, where they have a Magic Dock. I will have to try it on my Experia later, as I now have it in Reno.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Don, all,
See my post here (https://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=12547.msg124194#msg124194) about my findings on V43...
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I rode my 2020 Esse Esse 9-, which is NOT compatible with 43 to the Magic Dock in Placerville today. With version 42, the latest possible FW for it, it charged at a steady 9 KW, even a bit past 80% SOC.
This is one KW better than my Experia did last eyar with version 42.
This is the very first time I put my SS9 on a Magic Dock.
And I have yet to try in on my Exeria which now has the V43.
My SS9 in Placerville today:
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I picked up my Experia yesterday and rode it back to Reno from Auburn, CA the same day.
If version 43 is supposed to fix any of my bugs, it didn't in my Experia.
In the 99-mile ride back, I still experienced several bugs I had in the past.
First bug yesterday with V 43:
I use reverse to get out of my garage. Goes a few feet and then motor dies with the same old "undefined faut-contact service".
2nd Bug:
Then I reboot, start to head to Reno. I get the "FOB out of range" message in less than a half mile.
Again around 20 miles up the freeway.
The I take a break at the Truckee, CA airport as I get a free charge.
I stop the AC charge after I gain 10% SOC (nice long break).
I use reverse again. Same problem "undefined fault". Then need to turn the bike off and on again. Next time reverse okay, no fault.
3rd bug:
Now back on the freeway. About two miles up it, my screen says that "The charging cable may now be removed".
If version 43 is supposed to fix any bugs, it didn't on my Experia.
I have not yet tried a fast charger since v 43, but perhaps that will be the only thing it does better.
But so far, I am disappointed with version 43 as it fixed none of my bugs.
Is V43 only supposed to improve charging? Has no bug fixes?
-Don- Reno, NV
Just had mine done this morning, then ran some errands on the way back, so a few key cycles.
No new issues with my Experia, reverse works fine. Only new thing I noticed is the menu on the main screen seems to go from the only "settings/preferences/diagnostics" to "settings/handgrips" choices, not sure if its speed related or what causes it to change. Obviously handgrips menu is new. I haven't charged it yet to see how much "EXTIMATED" time it will take... ::)
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Just had mine done this morning, then ran some errands on the way back, so a few key cycles.
No new issues with my Experia, reverse works fine. Only new thing I noticed is the menu on the main screen seems to go from the only "settings/preferences/diagnostics" to "settings/handgrips" choices, not sure if its speed related or what causes it to change. Obviously handgrips menu is new. I haven't charged it yet to see how much "EXTIMATED" time it will take... ::)
I have no "new" issues since V43, just that it fixed none of my old issues. Still has lots of bugs.
I have only ridden my Experica a few times since the update, but it was enough to see all the old bugs.
IIRC, the "heated grips" selection goes away at stops or very low speeds. I assume that is intended.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I picked up my Experia yesterday and rode it back to Reno from Auburn, CA the same day.
If version 43 is supposed to fix any of my bugs, it didn't in my Experia.
In the 99-mile ride back, I still experienced several bugs I had in the past.
First bug yesterday with V 43:
I use reverse to get out of my garage. Goes a few feet and then motor dies with the same old "undefined faut-contact service".
2nd Bug:
Then I reboot, start to head to Reno. I get the "FOB out of range" message in less than a half mile.
Again around 20 miles up the freeway.
The I take a break at the Truckee, CA airport as I get a free charge.
I stop the AC charge after I gain 10% SOC (nice long break).
I use reverse again. Same problem "undefined fault". Then need to turn the bike off and on again. Next time reverse okay, no fault.
3rd bug:
Now back on the freeway. About two miles up it, my screen says that "The charging cable may now be removed".
If version 43 is supposed to fix any bugs, it didn't on my Experia.
I have not yet tried a fast charger since v 43, but perhaps that will be the only thing it does better.
But so far, I am disappointed with version 43 as it fixed none of my bugs.
Is V43 only supposed to improve charging? Has no bug fixes?
-Don- Reno, NV
I finally got the undefined fault when going into reverse yesterday. I think I had the throttle slightly "open" when I went into low speed mode. Off/on, worked fine since. We'll see if it happens again.
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Ive done that as well on my Ribelle, even before the 43, in a hurry to get going, rolling down the driveway slightly in slo mode trying to get it into regular drive mode so i can get going, it flips and im immediately on the throttle if I wasn't already there with the throttle slightly off zero, and you immediately felt it try to go, a distinct, power is not right and it flips the fault on me. Quick turn bike on and off it resets and runs fine.
Bouncing back and forth between F and R, F and R and then drive, wiggling the bike out of a parking slot then hitting the drive and goosing it to go, im pretty sure I probably activated or tried to activate it with the throttle not at zero and that is what set it off. I've never seen it just pop up, it always when I was fiddling with stuff like that, or having the bike up on chocks popping it to lube the chain or other goofy stuff, THEN trying to go into normal drive mode that it gives that fault.
Just my observations.
Aaron
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I finally got the undefined fault when going into reverse yesterday. I think I had the throttle slightly "open" when I went into low speed mode. Off/on, worked fine since. We'll see if it happens again.
Now I am wondering if that has been my issue as well. I will have to experiment with that. If that is the issue, I will just have to be more careful with the throttle.
But I never had it happen on my Esse Esse 9. But countless times on my Experia.
-Don- Reno, NV