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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: Richard230 on December 06, 2023, 08:45:19 PM
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This looks like another feature-laden electric city motorcycle concept to me. The company appears to be Chinese. One thing that caught my eye is they claim that they are (or will be?) using "semi-solid state" batteries that have greater performance than current lithium batteries. It would be interesting to know which brand of batteries they are using. The "technical video" shows some unusual electronic features, such as a system that tells when a rider is sitting on the bike (nothing new there for air-bag equipped cars) and another feature that identifies the rider (the Chinese face-recognition system, perhaps?). I assume that is a theft-preventive feature. Maybe they should back off on the electronic features a bit and concentrate on manufacturing and marketing a basic bike that will get you around town, instead of one that will play tunes and put on a light show for you. ::) However, those are a lot of electronic gadgets for 7,400 Euros. Who needs to actually ride anywhere when you can sit in your garage and watch a light show. ;)
https://thepack.news/introducing-naxeon-i-am-a-new-vision-on-electric-urban-mobility/
Be sure to check out the 4-minute long video.
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By solid state, I am assuming they mean no chemical reaction taking place? Which would make it a capacitor then? They do have some cap based power supplies out, Kilowatt Labs is one company but i am not sure they are still functioning. They are a bit heavy but the tech looks awesome. They can take a pretty large amp draw and claim 1mm cycles, which is not bad at all!
I agree though, stop with the whistles and bells and how about some base functionality and reliability for a change.
Aaron
Edit: Have to put the cigarette lighter back into the vehicles so one can light their doobie to woof while laxing and watching the light show. Weed and WiFi, what else could one possibly want? ::)
All the gizmoy stuff in the handlebars, while looking nice and nifty, how much is it going to cost to fix / replace all that stuff when the thing tips over, which it WILL at some point or another?
Id not be too keen on the connectivity either. That is one big thing that turns me OFF on the Rivian, I don't want the vehicle connected constantly with stuff automatically updating and basically spying on me. You drove too many miles today, YOU charged during peak hours, your driving privelage is SUSPENDED for 3 days!! I don't want ANYone else besides me with the ability to turn the thing on or off, police, govt, or anyone!
Definitely am interested in what they combined battery tech is? Have to be careful on that though, don't want it to be just like the Hybrid cars, where it's just more stuff to go wrong.
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Id not be too keen on the connectivity either. That is one big thing that turns me OFF on the Rivian, I don't want the vehicle connected constantly with stuff automatically updating and basically spying on me. You drove too many miles today, YOU charged during peak hours, your driving privelage is SUSPENDED for 3 days!! I don't want ANYone else besides me with the ability to turn the thing on or off, police, govt, or anyone!
LOL, it's China, they are 100% surveilled already. And I guess you won't be buying any new cars or bikes ever again. My Zero is "spying" on me also. And the Tesla...whooooboy, I even let them use the driving habits for an insurance discount. (Which is huge when I drive, and a little lower when the wife drives a lot, she's aggressive.) I'll happily trade my soul for a discount, yes.
I'm glad my Zero knows if it's being stolen, and don't give one flying fuck if Zero the company knows where I go.
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How about when your state declares an energy emergency, and no-non critical loads can be on the grid.
Your charging, it can wait, we'll disable your bike until the crisis is over.
so you have to go to work, soddy choddy, you can pay a 50 dollar excursion fine or just wait it out.
Rolling blackouts are coming very soon, planned rolling blackouts, the more they can control you, the more they can force you to comply with their wishes. But hey, if you are happy with that cool. Don't get caught wasting electric on a light show during peak hours though or they'll take your weed away too and disable your lighter !! Butane lighters have long been outlawed because of the CO2 they emit.
Aaron
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How about when your state declares an energy emergency, and no-non critical loads can be on the grid.
Your charging, it can wait, we'll disable your bike until the crisis is over.
so you have to go to work, soddy choddy, you can pay a 50 dollar excursion fine or just wait it out.
Rolling blackouts are coming very soon, planned rolling blackouts, the more they can control you, the more they can force you to comply with their wishes. But hey, if you are happy with that cool. Don't get caught wasting electric on a light show during peak hours though or they'll take your weed away too and disable your lighter !! Butane lighters have long been outlawed because of the CO2 they emit.
Aaron
LOL! Nuttier than a shithouse rat.
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In the past there has been talk in some U.S. states about installing trackers to measure the mileage that your vehicle travels each year and sending you a bill to replace state gas taxes. I think some insurance companies have done something similar, but with the vehicle owner's approval. They will base their insurance premium on the distance that your car travels.
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There are a couple of companies doing mileage based insurance. Our Tesla does risk based, but not mileage based, which is odd. And it's working against us right now. Since I got the Zero, I don't drive at all unless I really have to. My wife is an aggressive driver, I think cars are boring and drive like a granny, and 98% on Autopilot. I never actually drive. She won't use AP mostly, because it won't let her speed. So the rate is going up. Still far less than before, without risk awareness, but not as cheap as with me, since the rate seems to be an overall average. I'd need to drive MORE to get a lower rate.
I normally rate 96-98.
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My Energica has a tracker, it was a stipulation of my theft insurance which was a stipulation of my finance agreement. It transmits GPS data to a tracking centre who phone me whenever I move it with the ignition off.
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That's built into the Zero, but only notifies the owner on the app, not a third party.
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Since more and more people are moving to electric, they are not getting the taxes for the roads that are baked into gasoline sales, so expect soon that every year when you renew your registration, you'll have to report the mileage, and then your amount to renew will be based on that, so they can collect the road taxes that way instead.
So your insurance went up because of the way they seen your wife drive, yet surveillance is a GOOD thing. Ok buddy, enjoy your higher rates.
Aaron
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I didn't say anything was GOOD or not. You're making up words. And yes, now I'm going to say it, it's good, because the rate is still lower than before. There are clowns who herald the CA regulations that don't allow tracking-based pricing. They are so proud of their restrictive government...preventing a discount. LOL!
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110/70-170 mm Tyre front
140/60-170 mm Tyre rear
What is the chance this thing has 17 inch rims and moto journalists and their editors missed it?
I can see it is a hub motor because of the three wires where the lower part of a chain usually goes.
Is this reasonable 6.5/7.5 kW Rated power in that you can do that continious. Like without overheating the hub motor. Does it have cooling fins somehow?
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How about when your state declares an energy emergency, and no-non critical loads can be on the grid.
If there's an emergency so severe that no non-critical loads can be on the grid then you should stay the f home. When has this happened? Oh right you're making it up to feed your fantasy
Your charging, it can wait, we'll disable your bike until the crisis is over... you can pay a 50 dollar excursion fine or just wait it out.
That sounds like a reasonable measure in an EMERGENCY. I mean, it sounds like you've really had to stretch to come up with this scenario, but that's beside the point
soddy choddy
Either you're having a stroke or you're tossing a racist stereotype out there for everyone to see
the more they can control you, the more they can force you to comply with their wishes.
Conspiracy theory nutjobs are always "they want to control you" like the mysterious "they" (side note: when you ask these guys who "they" are it always turns out to be "the jews". You might have to dig through a layer of "gloabalists!" dog whistles but it is) need to go to all these bizarre lengths to do so when advertising has shown that it's pretty easy to manipulate people's behavior without all these extra steps. But then they don't get to feel smug and superior, which is the main thing they get out of being conspiracy theory nutjobs
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AT 3:30 in the video on the site linked in post 1 I was hoping for a smoke show.
There is a 28 minute video if you go to the Naxeon youtube chanel.
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California can't keep it's lights and AC's running as it is now, So where are they going to get the energy to charge gigawatts of demand for electric vehicles all of the sudden? But that's ok, I don't live there so won't have to endure the hell the enlightened ones have created for themselves.
It will be amusing watching though, as they all cry for their government to fix yet another problem for them, throw up some lunar panels behind the solar panels, that should get you 24/7 free green electricity then right?
Speaking on that, I wonder if Texas learned it's lesson from last winter, or are they going to repeat their disaster as well when it gets cold out.
Aaron
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This reeks of the anti-EV idiocy, but here you are on an EV forum. WTF. The power to charge EVs is mostly consumed during times that the grid is under the lightest load. It has low impact. And in fact my electric company says it will BENEFIT the grid to have EVs consume power at night, rather than try to wind down the nuke plant.
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And in fact my electric company says it will BENEFIT the grid to have EVs consume power at night, rather than try to wind down the nuke plant.
As much as I hate to continue the threadjack of this topic...that is a new chinese EV Moto...
but here we are..
Do you live in California, Swampnut?
I do. Not only California but in the San Francisco Bay area. It's not the meth-zombie, fire and flood hellscape my family (in Ohio, South Carolina, and Georgia) see on the news. They call me all the time to tell me how worried they are. They really get disappointed to find that I'm happy.
lol
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I normally rate 96-98.
OMG, this is horrifying. Your car is monitoring you, measuring your performance, grading you on it, and sending the grade up to everyone who can tell you what to do. I just can't believe you or anyone would buy into that, at any cost. When enough people do, it will become standard, and that's just an Orwellian nightmare. Those numbers mean virtually NOTHING. They'll judge everyone against average, or worse, against the least common denominator of drivers. It's the same with centralized thermostat controls. The slippery slope argument actually applies here. With surveillance and speed cameras, cell phone tracking, GPS tracking, mileage and toll tracking, phasing out of cash and ID for cell phones, we're all going to be remote controlled.
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I normally rate 96-98.
OMG, this is horrifying. Your car is monitoring you, measuring your performance, grading you on it, and sending the grade up to everyone who can tell you what to do. I just can't believe you or anyone would buy into that, at any cost. When enough people do, it will become standard, and that's just an Orwellian nightmare. Those numbers mean virtually NOTHING. They'll judge everyone against average, or worse, against the least common denominator of drivers. It's the same with centralized thermostat controls. The slippery slope argument actually applies here. With surveillance and speed cameras, cell phone tracking, GPS tracking, mileage and toll tracking, phasing out of cash and ID for cell phones, we're all going to be remote controlled.
LOL!!
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This reeks of the anti-EV idiocy, but here you are on an EV forum. WTF. The power to charge EVs is mostly consumed during times that the grid is under the lightest load. It has low impact. And in fact my electric company says it will BENEFIT the grid to have EVs consume power at night, rather than try to wind down the nuke plant.
How much longer is the nuke plant you speak of liscenced to operate? Pretty much the plants near me have been decomissionde years ago and natural gas which I believe are more flexible is what has been brought on line lately.
A while ago I mentioned on here that my F150 is limited somewhere around 90 to 95 mph which is like half of what a Damon perceives the eletric motorcycle safety concious rider wants. I note the Cyber Truck calls out a 130mph top speed. Have any comment on limiting top speed or maybe de powering at a certain g force in cornering?
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This reeks of the anti-EV idiocy, but here you are on an EV forum. WTF. The power to charge EVs is mostly consumed during times that the grid is under the lightest load. It has low impact. And in fact my electric company says it will BENEFIT the grid to have EVs consume power at night, rather than try to wind down the nuke plant.
How much longer is the nuke plant you speak of liscenced to operate? Pretty much the plants near me have been decomissionde years ago and natural gas which I believe are more flexible is what has been brought on line lately.
A while ago I mentioned on here that my F150 is limited somewhere around 90 to 95 mph which is like half of what a Damon perceives the eletric motorcycle safety concious rider wants. I note the Cyber Truck calls out a 130mph top speed. Have any comment on limiting top speed or maybe de powering at a certain g force in cornering?
California's last remaining nuke plant was scheduled to close and be decommissioned in 2025, but thanks to pleading by the governor to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, it's life has been extended until 2030, at which time it will finally be shut down for good.
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We seem to have some prolific posters on here that do not put their location in the profile. The it is good for the grid to use up the coal and nuclear plant output so they can kind of go along steady state to me seems a bit not with the times. However, I think a fair amount of the power around here comes from Canada, at least it has prior. Are there nuke plants just over the state line feeding California that make this line of logic more sensible?
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We seem to have some prolific posters on here that do not put their location in the profile. The it is good for the grid to use up the coal and nuclear plant output so they can kind of go along steady state to me seems a bit not with the times. However, I think a fair amount of the power around here comes from Canada, at least it has prior. Are there nuke plants just over the state line feeding California that make this line of logic more sensible?
I could be wrong, but I don't think that any other West Coast state has an operating nuke plant left other than the one in CA, sitting on an earthquake fault located on the coast in south-central CA.
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You really don't want to cycle any steam plant if you can avoid it because the thermal expansion tears up the tubes and other stuff. Ideally they base load them and let them coast along, and use gas turbines for peakers which are designed to handle the ups and downs. Diesel or other non steam type plants are used as well for peaking / predictable load swings when possible.
Not to mention, to bring a steam plant from cold iron to hit the grid can take the better part of a day, whereas a fast start turbine can be up in 6 to 7 minutes, as little as 3 but that is pretty hard on them.
Aaron