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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: DonTom on October 06, 2023, 10:18:29 PM
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See here. (https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations)
-Don- Reno, NV
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This is great. I was worried they were going to stop with the magic docks with every other manufacturer adopting their connector.
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This is great. I was worried they were going to stop with the magic docks with every other manufacturer adopting their connector.
But even if that were true, there would be no problem because then this would be made sooner (now, because of Magic Dock,
we cannot be sure if it will ever be made):
(https://evadept.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/tesla-to-ccs-1024x389.webp)
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BTW, if the older Tesla Superchargers are not updated (internal hardware), they will NOT have the Magic Dock.
And some of those are at very needed locations, such as Lake Topaz, NV and Incline Village, NV. The only CCS charger near Incline Village (https://www.plugshare.com/location/86014) has been broken for almost a year and is just a few feet from ten working Tesla Superchargers which will NOT be compatible with Magic Dock unless they make major changes inside them.
It's only the newer V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers that are compatible with Magic Dock. I assume the same for that adapter.
So Magic Dock may not be a great answer to the problem in many areas--at least not for quite a while.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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You can already buy those adapters (maybe not that brand).
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You can already buy those adapters (maybe not that brand).
In Europe for CCS-2. Not here in the USA for CCS-1.
If such was sold here, I would already own it.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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They are available in the US. I don't know how you'd use it though. I think the only Superchargers that will allow you to use them, already have the dock. If you just buy the adapter, I don't think it will do any good.
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They are available in the US. I don't know how you'd use it though. I think the only Superchargers that will allow you to use them, already have the dock. If you just buy the adapter, I don't think it will do any good.
Please show me a link where Tesla to CCS-1 is available. The opposite is common, CCS to Tesla, which does me no good.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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E bay is your friend, do some homework
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They are available in the US. I don't know how you'd use it though. I think the only Superchargers that will allow you to use them, already have the dock. If you just buy the adapter, I don't think it will do any good.
There are the many coming soons, such as here. (https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs1)So at least they will be available-someday.
In the USA, by far, most Superchargers that are compatible with Magic Dock do NOT have it--- yet.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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How and where can you use one? Seems pointless to buy so far. I don’t see a single SC in my region that’s open to non Teslas. Are you confusing SC with destination chargers?
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How and where can you use one? Seems pointless to buy so far. I don’t see a single SC in my region that’s open to non Teslas. Are you confusing SC with destination chargers?[/quote]
No, I have more adapters for Tesla destination stations (Tesla Destination to J-1772) than I can count. I am not sure how I ended up with so many of those. I also have a few of the opposite, J-1772 to Tesla, since I do own a Tesla.
The Tesla Supercharger does NOT really have to be open to anything other than their normal Teslas if you have the Tesla Supercharger to CCS1 adapter (does not exist yet, other than the few Tesla Magic Docks). It is even difficult to search for because there are a few thousand or so different types of CCS-1 to Tesla adapters and they and the CHAdeMO adapters have been around for years, unlike the Tesla to CCS1 adapter which is not yet available anywhere. I would gladly pay a thousand bucks for one, but the way it is going, they may not ever be necessary, it really depends on Tesla and their Magic Dock and their other mostly unknown plans.
All that should be needed is the adapter and the Tesla App and, in the app, go to "Charge my non-Tesla". If you do NOT already own a Tesla, you will also have to set up a Tesla account for them to charge you for charging at Superchargers. This is with the Magic Doc or with the adapter that is not yet available. I have been on the waiting list for that adapter for more than a year.
It is not clear if the Tesla Supercharger to CCS1 adapter will work on the oldest Superchargers. Tesla will have to modify the older Superchargers to make the adapters work. So a lot of this is still unknown, but we can all be sure there are some big changes coming fairly soon.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Ah, that’s where I think you’re assuming something, which I believe is not true. I don’t think you can charge at existing SCs yet. My app doesn’t show any in the west.
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Ah, that’s where I think you’re assuming something, which I believe is not true. I don’t think you can charge at existing SCs yet. My app doesn’t show any in the west.[/quote]Then fix your app! See my Experia charging on March 3, 2023 here. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/319323)
Also, note where it says there:
"This Supercharger is open to Tesla vehicles and non Tesla vehicles with CCS compatibility."
Also, check the type of cars charging there. And motorcycles, including my Enegica Experia.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Swampnut, from my recollection. The Supercharger stations, they have to see the car next to them, there is some sort of communication and identification, and that turns the station on to charge the car. Otherwise, there is no other external turn on device that I am aware of.
The easiest way I think would be to have an app, which uses your phones bluetooth, wifi, etc etc. to talk to the station, or scan a barcode or something to turn it on for the non tesloids wanting to use the station. One would still need the dongle thing, which IS available on E bay for those not too lazy to look, to convert from Tesla to CCS-1. Even though there is not currently a use for them on superchargers, they CAN be used on other chargers that may have a tesla tap, but not a CCS1 on it.
Overall, the more chargers we can get, of any type, that can do CCS charging, the better it will be for all Energica users, as a fairly quick stop can top off another 100 miles of range in under an hour. I did a run saturday, ran about 80 miles, they had a CCS in the location, was able to top it back off in what I could squeeze in about 50 minutes, which was plenty to let me run around town a bit, and get back home with still 23 percent to spare at highway speeds.
If you NEED to get somewhere fast, yah spending 40 minutes may seem like an eternity, but if you are doing a poker run, or something just running about, spending an hour here, hour there is no big deal really. Grab a drink, take a bite to eat, stretch your legs, etc, you'll be back on the road before you know it.
Aaron
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You seem to think that you could use a Tesla DC fast charger. I’m quite certain you cannot, and I can’t find any evidence that you can. The adaptor is not the issue.
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You seem to think that you could use a Tesla DC fast charger. I’m quite certain you cannot, and I can’t find any evidence that you can. The adaptor is not the issue.
Did you see my reply number 13, with photo, where I used a Tesla Supercharger to charge my Experia in Placerville, CA on March 3?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Yes. Did you see the part where we're talking about bringing your own adapter to a random SC, not about the MagicDock chargers?
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Swampnut, from my recollection. The Supercharger stations, they have to see the car next to them, there is some sort of communication and identification, and that turns the station on to charge the car. Otherwise, there is no other external turn on device that I am aware of.
The easiest way I think would be to have an app, which uses your phones bluetooth, wifi, etc etc. to talk to the station, or scan a barcode or something to turn it on for the non tesloids wanting to use the station. One would still need the dongle thing, which IS available on E bay for those not too lazy to look, to convert from Tesla to CCS-1. Even though there is not currently a use for them on superchargers, they CAN be used on other chargers that may have a tesla tap, but not a CCS1 on it.
Overall, the more chargers we can get, of any type, that can do CCS charging, the better it will be for all Energica users, as a fairly quick stop can top off another 100 miles of range in under an hour. I did a run saturday, ran about 80 miles, they had a CCS in the location, was able to top it back off in what I could squeeze in about 50 minutes, which was plenty to let me run around town a bit, and get back home with still 23 percent to spare at highway speeds.
If you NEED to get somewhere fast, yah spending 40 minutes may seem like an eternity, but if you are doing a poker run, or something just running about, spending an hour here, hour there is no big deal really. Grab a drink, take a bite to eat, stretch your legs, etc, you'll be back on the road before you know it.
Aaron
What? How can a Tesla to CCS adapter be used anywhere but a supercharger. Also, plenty of adapters exist but in the other direction, so Teslans can connect their shitboxes to CCS stations. I have a Chademo adapter as a backup in my Tesla in case I need to use an Electricity Murica station or something. Doesn't mean I can use it to plug a leaf in at a supercharger.
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Between assumptions, general assholery, and apparently not reading the whole thread, this is a mess.
This is the best that I can find, and I am not claiming to be 100% sure, but can't find anything otherwise...
You can charge anything with DC input at a Tesla MagicDock. But not a J1772 AC-only machine like my Zero.
You cannot use a Tesla female to CCS male adapter at any Supercharger in the US right now.
You can use a Tesla female to J male adapter on any of the Tesla destination chargers which are 240v and 19.2kWh, if the vehicle has onboard AC charging.
You cannot use a CCS to J adapter on EA and other DC only stations on a Zero or other AC only vehicle.
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Yes. Did you see the part where we're talking about bringing your own adapter to a random SC, not about the MagicDock chargers?
Did you see where I mentioned such is not yet available anywhere? It cannot work if it does not yet exist. And it's difficult to say if it ever will as if all the Tesla Superchargers have Magic Dock, there will be no need for it.
What is not clear is if the older Superchargers will be compatible with either. That requires Tesla to make additional modifications inside the supercharger. The new V4 Tesla Superchargers will be ready to go for CCS with Magic Dock.
V4 looks different, see here. (https://insideevs.com/news/657355/first-tesla-v4-supercharging-appears-ready/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Between assumptions, general assholery, and apparently not reading the whole thread, this is a mess.
And this wasnt even caused by an AI Chatbot, lol.
@Swampnut, you're doing the lord's work here with that post.
Bravo sir, the lord's work!!
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You can charge anything with DC input at a Tesla MagicDock. But not a J1772 AC-only machine like my Zero.
Who said you could? This is the Energica section, has nothing to do with Zeros which do not allow CCS at all.
And FWIW, Zero does have DC charging. I charge my 2017 Zero SR as high as 7.9 KW with DC direct to the battery, using my Elcon chargers. In fact, all batteries require DC charging. The OBC puts out DC as do all Zero chargers.
FWIW, I find Zero's method the most reliable and useful charging of all, even if a little slower than CCS. More AC charge stations popping up every day as more and more CCS chargers break and never get repaired. Plus the endless compatibility issues that J plugs do not have. 6.6 KW is fast enough to be useful on the road, unlike the 3KW on the Energicas. And most of the J-plugs are free to use or very cheap per KWH compared to CCS, which sometimes can cost even more than gasoline.
We just need more high-power AC charge stations and then the Zeros that can charge at 13.2 KWH will be best, IMO.
But perhaps the new FW for Energicas will at least solve many of the incompatibility problems of CCS. And to soon be able to charge from at least many Tesla Superchargers will be very helpful.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I didn't realize you were here to win an argument, so carry on and have fun. I'm just trying to add clarity and learn something if possible.
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I'm just trying to add clarity.
That has been exactly what I have been trying to do, but I will give up on that. Seems we are not communicating very well here.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Then I don't know why you'd chastise me for mentioning the limitation with AC only vehicles like the Zero. It's about clarity. I'm an EVangelist and constantly find that most people are confused on this (and the entirety of charging "standards").
Also in case anyone isn't aware. A CCS is a J-1772 plus DC pins. So if you have a Tesla to CCS adapter, you can use a Tesla destination charger if your vehicle supports AC charging. The DC pins are ignored.
The entire thing is confusing if you're not into EVs or knowledgeable about electricity.
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Then I don't know why you'd chastise me for mentioning the limitation with AC only vehicles like the Zero. It's about clarity. I'm an EVangelist and constantly find that most people are confused on this (and the entirety of charging "standards").
Also in case anyone isn't aware. A CCS is a J-1772 plus DC pins. So if you have a Tesla to CCS adapter, you can use a Tesla destination charger if your vehicle supports AC charging. The DC pins are ignored.
The entire thing is confusing if you're not into EVs or knowledgeable about electricity.
Where did you feel I did such?
And FWIW, I have been into electronics my entire life, both as hobby and profession. And BTW, CCS is a lot more complicated than just DC on those extra thick pins. It runs a program that causes all types of compatibility issues with some vehicles and takes a lot of things into consideration, such as make of vehicle, battery temperaure, charge rate, etc.
Have you ever used CCS? It sounds like you have not. The first thing that happens is the initiation process for about 15 seconds before the charging even starts. With the old CCS Chargepoint FW in the CCS chargers, the initiation process would not end, so the charging would never start with Energicas. Later, when l Chagepoint updated their FW, they now work the best off all. On other makes of CCS chargers, I have had them work fine on my Energica when the car after me would not charge at all.
CCS has been unreliable at best. The problem is that it needs to work on too many different types of EVs and there will probably always be the one that will not work with one charger make that will work on another. Or FW version.
I assume everybody in this forum who has used CCS has had at least some problems using it.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I've used CCS and have a good understanding of the signaling on all of the chargers. It's also totally irrelevant to this conversation for end users. My only point is that buying the adaptor won't help you, and if Tesla decides to open it up, the adapters will be easily available.
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I've used CCS and have a good understanding of the signaling on all of the chargers. It's also totally irrelevant to this conversation for end users. My only point is that buying the adaptor won't help you, and if Tesla decides to open it up, the adapters will be easily available.
IMO, it's not yet clear if the adapter will be useful or not. It's not available yet anyway. But it depends on Tesla and what they decide to do, and they are not saying much about what they will be doing.
But my main concern is being able to use the Tesla Superchargers for CCS, not so much with what I need or do not need to do it.
While I do expect that all the V3 & V4 TSCs will have the Magic Dock, we have to guess what will happen with the V1 and V2 Tesla Superchargers. They cannot work with Magic Dock and I assume the same for the Tesla SC to CCS adapter. But if the older chargers are modified or totally replaced, they should also work sometime in the future.
Unfortunately, most of the locations I want to see Tesla SCs will NOT be compatible with Magic Dock as they are. Such as Lake Topaz, NV and Incline Village, NV. Those are the older Tesla SCs. But the one in Susanville, CA is V3 and should soon have Magic Dock and that is a very needed location. No CCS near there for many miles.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Swampnut. From what I have seen, and I am not an expert, nor claim to be, like some others. There are 2 genera's of Tesla chargers it seems.
The Super Charger, which is tesla only, has a tesla plug on it, and I believe can charge up to 350 KW in some places. This talks to your car, and I believe all the stats you need are shown on your car's dash screen. Because of this, there are no other external user interfaces that I have seen, ie card reader, touch screen, on off switch etc etc. You MUST have a Tesla car to turn it on period... for now.
Then there are the Destination Chargers, ie us po folk's chargers for the rednecks out in the sticks.
They top out around 50 kw or so, at least the ones I have seen do.
The destination chargers I have seen have a Tesla Adapter on them, CCS on them, possibly a Chabcdefghijk123 whatever the hell it is or a combo of those, 1 always being a Tesla cord. By virtue of the way CCS operates, these WILL have external controls on them, so the user can interact to turn the thing on.
For the ones that do only have a tesla cord on it, the dongle thing WILL WORK to charge your bike on it.
Right now, the Tesla Superstations, there is really no user interface on it, no way to talk to it, turn it on etc that I have seen on the stations that I have looked at. Because of this, there is no way to turn the stupid things on for any non tesla charging.
Tesla says they are in the works to fix this, between the other car Manu's swapping their charging plug to be tesla standard, and the dongle thing so that the tesla plug WILL convert into your CCS-1 plug, it's getting there.
There is going to have to be some sort of communication between you and the supercharger to turn it on. Now, whether Tesla makes a phone app, a card you slide past a sensor or what, nobody is quite sure yet. Since the thing already does talk to your car wirelessly, I think the easiest fix would be to just make an app, have you open an account or something to pay for the power obviously, and use your phones comms to talk to it to turn it on. The phone can do WiFi, Bluetooth, and NFRF comms, like the touch to read the credit card thingie, so I also think this fix can be done entirely by software. The antenna that is looking for your cars speech, can also listen for your phone's speech to it as well.
Once the plug is in and the sequence activated, the car and charger can then talk all they need to each other to get the rest of the logistics going and you are charging.
I will be interested to see how much they are going to charge for the power myself. Since you are not using his product yet, the car, will there be a premium for non T charging?
I would love to see Tesla come out with a bike, but please for the love of all things 2 wheels, NOT as ugly as that hideous pickup truck they rolled out.
Aaron
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Some SCs are not Tesla only; that's the entire point of this thread. You can have an SC with CCS. These are all DC fast chargers.
Tesla has already said they won't put readers on the chargers, you use the app. In the Tesla app there's an option for that.
As I said before, destination chargers can only do 240VAC, level 1 or 2 at up to 40A. The equipment could do 80, but why would you, they are limited to keep demand charges down. There is no interaction you just plug in (other than, many places have them turned off and an employee has to turn them on manually). You can charge anything here. I've never seen or heard of a 50kW version, and of course, the J connector is limited to 19.2 anyway.
Cars and Superchargers do not communicate wirelessly, it on the wire.
Tesla is charging more for non-Teslas.
Musk hates motorcycles. And I have a CT on reservation and would have bought one instantly if they actually had shipped them.
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Many of the V4 Superchargers have a credit card reader and a Magic Dock. Musk had said earlier that he loathed screens and point of sale equipment on the chargers because they are a common failure point/vandalism target. But to get access to the sweet sweet DCFC grant money their charging network has to be available to other manufacturers.
Also Destination Chargers and Wall Chargers are all AC like Swampnut said. There is no incentive money for wider rollout of AC Chargers like destination chargers and wall chargers. Property owners and homeowners can get a tax break for the year they get installed, but no network is getting incentives to make more of them. They rolled out as a way for business owners in the service industry to attract the affluent type of people that had Model S Teslas. Tesla would share a portion , or all, of the cost of installation in exchange for exclusive parking. Tesla early adopters got perks like lifetime free supercharging and rock star parking at bars, restaurants, and wineries. Bars , restaurants, and wineries got people with Tesla money in their pockets to hang out for a few hours and probably spend money. When Tesla world domination phase three started, it was more well known that Tesla Patents weren't being enforced and people found that you could get an adapter for Tesla to J1772 and use the AC Chargers. There isn't any vehicle authentication beyond a resistance signal to let the vehicle and the charger know both are plugged in and whether or not the vehicle has battery chemistry that requires ventilation.(I know, not a thing with lithium chemistry but J1772 standard was produced when manufacturers were looking at Lead Acid and NiMH). Since AC current is basically rectified by the vehicles on board charger, it is relatively simple to map the lugs and pins from NACS to J1772 and make an adapter.
The supercharger network was always going to be an exclusive DC network for only Tesla vehicles. The TSC network reliability and availability kept Tesla sales high as it was the best game in town. It wasn't until Musk saw that he was leaving hundreds of millions in grant money on the table with the exclusive network based on the "Tesla Plug" that the NACS adoption push started. Aptera signed on first, I think, when Tesla pushed the NACS to be open source, or "open source" as it still was not a recognized standard by the Society of Automotive Engineers. Technically Tesla is meeting the requirements for Uncle Sam's grant money by no longer having an exclusive network but those cars from Ford, Chevy, Hyundai, etc, and the grant payments associated with them, wont be on the market till 2025 or so......hence the Magic Dock solution to have more manufacturers able to use the network right now. Thing is, he's not doing it to be nice, Musk is not altruistic in this way. He wants widespread EV adoption but sees CCS as a dead standard, and has no problem using the appeal of the supercharger network to move the needle. I mean other charger networks are providing NACS plugs now. As soon as there are vehicles from other manufacturers that use NACS on the road, Musk can get infrastructure grants without spending money on Magic docks. The Magic Dock rollout will cease (IMHO). Then, and probably only then, will we see an adapter for NACS to CCS, but it is very likely it will only work for the legacy cars from manufacturers that have moved to NACS. Even when there is a NACS to CCS adapter, it will not work on a Supercharger unless Tesla authorizes that make and model.
TL;DR
Tesla has AC and DC chargers that use the same plug. AC chargers will send power to anything that can receive it whether from the native plug or an adapter. It just turns on like a light switch. DC Chargers require specific manufacturer to manufacturer permission and won't work, even with an adapter, if you don't have that specific permission. A very select few of those DC Chargers have an adapter built in and will flow power without pre-negotiated manufacturer to manufacturer permission. The OP on this thread has provided a very handy map of those very specific DC Chargers.
Thanks DonTom!! I appreciate your efforts to make my life a little bit easier. :)
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DC chargers will work without manu to manu permissions. The 'permissions' are more a part of the DC protocol, and not based on who the manu of the Charger / Vehicle are. While this info may be exchanged it is NOT critical for the thing to fire up, unless the charger is specifically programmed To act that way. My DC charger will charge pretty much ANY vehicle that has CCS-1. Ive tried it on several vehicles already and it's talked and fired up flawlessly, this Includes Tesla with the adapter thingie since I did not get a Tesla plug on my charger, but just CCS1. Id like to see a standard vehicle where it does NOT work, so I can talk to the manu and ask why, and for a fix.
Right now, it seems the app Plug Share is working on something to try to centralize all the different charging apps, so instead of having to have 35 different apps on your phone, you can just plug the info into theirs and it'll interface with all the other companies and you can charge on their network using the PS app only. IMO I think this is a very good idea, and would simplify things greatly, and pray they stay away from the allure of turning the thing into an advertising cancer.
Aaron
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There is going to have to be some sort of communication between you and the supercharger to turn it on. Now, whether Tesla makes a phone app, a card you slide past a sensor or what, nobody is quite sure yet. Since the thing already does talk to your car wirelessly, I think the easiest fix would be to just make an app, have you open an account or something to pay for the power obviously, and use your phones comms to talk to it to turn it on.
The Tesla Magic dock superchargers require users to use the Tesla app to activate a charge session. You indicate what charger unit you want to use and the app unlocks the NACS to CCS adapter. The charge process starts the same as any other CCS station.
It is theoretically possible to charge a CCS vehicle with any NACS charger using an adapter. However Tesla is very protective of their network and will likely never enable the ability to charge with a 3rd party adapter. Since the app is the only way to start a charge session for a non Tesla vehicle they retain control of your ability to charge.
Please note that most EV vehicles use the DIN spec 70121 standard for DC charge communication. This standard does not natively support the communication of a unique vehicle ID via the charge ports data wires. Due to this "plug & charge" is not possible, requiring DC station providers to require users to enable charge sessions via an app or at the station it's self. Tesla developed a proprietary system to allow their vehicles to self identify when plugged into a Tesla charger. EVGO has a "auto charge" feature that uses a vehicles MAC address, users can tie a specific vehicle to their account allow a session to start when it's plugged in. As some vehicles do not provide unique MAC id's this feature is not universal.
ISO 15118 is anther newer standard released in 2014 that addresses some of the short comings of DIN 70121, including: secure communication of digital signatures (unique ID), charging schedules & vehicle to grid (V2G).
Vehicle manufactures and DC station manufactures are slowly introducing compatibility of this standard.
[Sources]
https://www.switch-ev.com/blog/the-battle-between-iso-15118-and-din-spec-70121 (https://www.switch-ev.com/blog/the-battle-between-iso-15118-and-din-spec-70121)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118)
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Telsa has recently opened many more SuperChargers for Magic Dock. See here (https://www.plugshare.com/map/tesla-ccs-locations) for the latest.
And a new (non-Tesla) CCS location on Hwy 395 (https://www.plugshare.com/location/581362)that I will find handy.
-Don- Reno, NV
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And a new (non-Tesla) CCS location on Hwy 395 (https://www.plugshare.com/location/581362)that I will find handy.
-Don- Reno, NV
That is such a great spot for my trips to Hawthorne. I can skip the one in Bridgeport now. Plus it's only a mile from Mountain View BBQ. the perfect place to wait while your bike charges :)
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So you go eat lunch a mile away?
How do you get there?
There is a free charger by where I shop, sometimes I'll use it, and walk the block or two to the shopping center and do my stuff while the bike charges.
The only problem is, people see me walking in all my gear and ask, did you break down, do you need a ride, do you need any help :D
I have to explain to them, oh IM fine, Im just taking a short walk while my bike recharges! I kind of feel guilty sometimes that they stopped.
Was just curious if you experience the same!
Aaron
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That is such a great spot for my trips to Hawthorne. I can skip the one in Bridgeport now. Plus it's only a mile from Mountain View BBQ. the perfect place to wait while your bike charges :)
Hawthrone, NV used to have a free CCS but it has been broken for quite a while now. It is very rare to find an old CCS that is broken which has been repaired, when free or not. They just stay broken. The CCS business is a tough one.
I have used the CCS in Bridgeport at the expensive Shell Gas station many times.
That is one of my favorite rides from Reno. I really enjoy the Baja Tacos at the Burger Barn in Bridgeport. The best ones anywhere, IMO.
I get a free CCS charge in Garnerville, NV on the way down.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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That is such a great spot for my trips to Hawthorne. I can skip the one in Bridgeport now. Plus it's only a mile from Mountain View BBQ. the perfect place to wait while your bike charges :)
I have ridden by that place countless times. I will now have to try that place out. But the bike will probably get done charging before I can get done eating after the two-mile round trip. But I don't mind walking a couple of miles, I do a lot of hiking.
Even the Burger barn from the Shell Gas station is probably a half mile each way and I think nothing of that. That is like the perfect deal. My Experia is usually done charging (to 100%) at the exact same time I get back from eating there. BTW, I can easily make it all the way back to Reno on that one charge.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I used to have a Onewheel but sold it after I crashed it and pulverized my collar bone. (it's such a common injury with that thing you would think that's what it was designed to do). I'm thinking about getting another one specifically to get around on while my bike charges. I mean I'll be wearing motorcycle gear...so...
But to answer your question, I have very infrequently had people stop and ask if I'm OK or need a ride when walking to a coffee shop or something like that. I indicate I am OK and usually where I'm going is close enough to see from where we are so a ride isn't necessary.
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Get an airbag suit, it'll save your collarbone. The one wheel you should be going fast enough to activate the thing and if it detects you doing a cartwheel / face plant etc it should deploy and cushion you BEFORE you impact.
That is one thing I am learning about my airbag suit, they say that sometimes they don't detect the electric bikes when you are sitting still, like at a train crossing, (because it can't feel the vibrations of the bike) so thinks you are still so deactivates, so it won't give you the sitting at a light, getting hit protection, however I have found that, listening to music, drumming my hands on my bike to the beat of the music, apparently is close enough to the vibrations of a gas bike that it keeps my suit in the green.
Hopefully nobody plows into me when Im sitting at a light / stopsign etc but if they do, nice to know my suit should still hopefully deploy.
Aaron