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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: Pard on July 10, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
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Going to try this system:
https://www.amazon.com/FOBO-Pressure-Monitoring-Systems-Black/dp/B07Q21RNNB
https://my-fobo.com/
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First ride with these gadgets today.
Pros: Know exactly how your tire pressure is responding to the ride in terms of temp and pressure increase. Awesome! Helps me set pressure for a 10% increase in PSI cold to warm much more easily.
Tire temp is interesting to track. Takes quite a while for them to get warmed up on the road.
Cons: Distracting. Don't like the impulse to take your eyes off the road to look at the app.
I worry that the air might escape from the tire since the sensor that replaces the cap is essentially pressing down on the tire valve and releasing the air to get a reading. The only thing maintaining air in that tire now is an o ring on the cap. Seems like bad idea.
Will ride it for a while and see how it goes.
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I worry that the air might escape from the tire since the sensor that replaces the cap is essentially pressing down on the tire valve and releasing the air to get a reading. The only thing maintaining air in that tire now is an o ring on the cap. Seems like bad idea.
This was the first thing that came to my mind when I read the description.
I wonder why Energica does not offer an integrated system. It would be nice to know the exact pressure, and even nicer to be warned of a sudden drop in pressure.
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Pard, i was looking for something just like this myself earlier, wanting to know what my tire pressure was. Other systems, like on the cars and such i think they actually replace the entire core of the Schrader valve with a new type that has the sensor built into it so it pokes down into the tire and reads it there but is on the 'inside' of the valve seat so you are not relying on the cap to keep it tight. As the tire rotates, the valve stem passes by a sensor, kind of like your key and sensor and sends the data to the vehicle to read your tire psi.
It may cost a few dollars more but you might find something blue toothy that might do that for you.
Yah this would be a real nice addition to the Energica bike however to be honest, I really prefer they fix some of the other buggy shit in their software first, like logging in with the secondary key or code, instead of adding new stuff that may be buggy as well.
Aaron
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Really liking this product. Yesterday I was out in 90F temps and the real time pressure reading allowed me to see that the front tire was heating up too much. Pressure went up to 43.5 PSIhot from a 39 cold, slightly more than 10% cold/hot.
Not dangerously excessive pressure increase, but enough to make me note that next time I should try a cold 40 PSI in the front.
Rear cold started at 36 PSI and stayed around 39.5 hot. Perfect.
Too low a pressure cold, for a given set of conditions, makes the tire flex excessively and heat up too much.
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You might look at the systems made by Sykik (https://sykik.com/). They offer a Bluetooth system that screws on the valve stems like the FOBO system, as well as a system with internal sensors.
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You might look at the systems made by Sykik (https://sykik.com/). They offer a Bluetooth system that screws on the valve stems like the FOBO system, as well as a system with internal sensors.
Thanks for the link. Yes, this is a good option indeed. The internal sensor eliminated the worry I have about the FOBO using the valve stem for a reading an potential failure point there.
The downside of this system is the need to mount another display. That may be a good thing.
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Let's say one is adding 'new' lights, left, right, brake to a bike so needs a module that can detect slowdown or has a switch or something you can click for turn signal. Like you are trying to make a bike street legal as an example.
Any suggestions on what to use?
Aaron
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Thanks for the link. Yes, this is a good option indeed. The internal sensor eliminated the worry I have about the FOBO using the valve stem for a reading an potential failure point there.
I think internal sensors are a much better option. Never really liked the idea of a plastic part screwed onto the valve stem being the only think keeping the air in. If you do run internal sensors make sure you mention that to your tire guy when you are getting new rubber installed.
Let's say one is adding 'new' lights, left, right, brake to a bike so needs a module that can detect slowdown or has a switch or something you can click for turn signal. Like you are trying to make a bike street legal as an example.
Any suggestions on what to use?
That question might warrant a separate thread. Also a little bit more information about what you are trying to accomplish and if you have a specific bike in mind.
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Demoni, in another discussion, we were talking about making a bike street legal, my friend got one of those new e dirt bikes, the storm is it???, that new electric one, and I mentioned something like this and he said, yah but you need an existing setup for it to wire into. So yah, a stand alone system would be needed.
What I was more interested in is, Another application is making yourself much more visible especially at night. Having a brake light / turn signal ON your helmet is a major way to do that, but ... some of those setups want you to install a control unit, cutting into the existing wiring of you bike. I like the 'extra light' thing but don't want to be chopping into existing harness' to do so, when you look at the Energica, it's a bit finicky about voltages / current draw etc, to begin with, not to mention warranty's, adding more things might not be the greatest idea here.
This would also be nice to have as an Emergency backup sort of... I had a turn signal go out on my bike, and it took some days to get the new one shipped to me. Having something like this, you have full signalling again, are safe AND potentially avoiding tickets.
Aaron
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Never really liked the idea of a plastic part screwed onto the valve stem being the only think keeping the air in.
A very unrealistic concern. I use them on all of my bikes and RVs for many years and I have yet to see one leak a drop. And even if it did, the TPMS would let you know there is a leak anyway.
I have used both, internal and external and I prefer the external, just so we can replace the batteries ourselves in a few minutes.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Never really liked the idea of a plastic part screwed onto the valve stem being the only think keeping the air in.
A very unrealistic concern. I use them on all of my bikes and RVs for many years and I have yet to see one leak a drop. And even if it did, the TPMS would let you know there is a leak anyway.
I have used both, internal and external and I prefer the external, just so we can replace the batteries ourselves in a few minutes.
-Don- Reno, NV
Likewise, I have the "screw-on" type sensors on all my vehicles, three bikes and two cars, never an issue, batteries are easily replaced as required. They're reasonably accurate too.
Smithy
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If you are worried about it leaking just put some loctite in your tire stems that'll seal them right up ! 8) ;D
Aaron
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Likewise, I have the "screw-on" type sensors on all my vehicles, three bikes and two cars, never an issue, batteries are easily replaced as required. They're reasonably accurate too.
Smithy
I think I know why Garmin no longer makes the TPMS sensors. Just one of their sensors cost more than a complete GPS system these days.
I just added one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SYKIK-Wireless-Pressure-Monitoring-Motorcycles/dp/B07BFH9WZ7/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14R6O088QT8ER&keywords=motorcycle+tpms&qid=1689698239&sprefix=motorcycle+tpms%2Caps%2C302&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685)on my Zero DSR/X. "Reasonably accurate"? They are right on the nose, exact same PSI reading as my best tire gauges. And have very small wheel sensors that will not hit the brake calibers with the 90° valve stems that many motorcycles have these days.
The only people who will worry about these leaking are those who have never used such. That even included me at first.
Tire experts say a decent sealed tire cap does more to hold in the air than does the tire valve. The tire valve is only there to hold the air for when we fill up the tires and caps should always be used.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Likewise, I have the "screw-on" type sensors on all my vehicles, three bikes and two cars, never an issue, batteries are easily replaced as required. They're reasonably accurate too.
Smithy
I think I know why Garmin no longer makes the TPMS sensors. Just one of their sensors cost more than a complete GPS system these days.
I just added one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SYKIK-Wireless-Pressure-Monitoring-Motorcycles/dp/B07BFH9WZ7/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14R6O088QT8ER&keywords=motorcycle+tpms&qid=1689698239&sprefix=motorcycle+tpms%2Caps%2C302&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685)on my Zero DSR/X. "Reasonably accurate"? They are right on the nose, exact same PSI reading as my best tire gauges. And have very small wheel sensors that will not hit the brake calibers with the 90° valve stems that many motorcycles have these days.
The only people who will worry about these leaking are those who have never used such. That even included me at first.
Tire experts say a decent sealed tire cap does more to hold in the air than does the tire valve. The tire valve is only there to hold the air for when we fill up the tires and caps should always be used.
-Don- Reno, NV
Have the exact same TPMS on my BMW S1000XR, works fine. Have a cheap ebay "solar" set on my other two bikes, Experia and Suzuki M109R...they also work well and rarely need charging unless I ride a lot at night.
Smithy.
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Likewise, I have the "screw-on" type sensors on all my vehicles, three bikes and two cars, never an issue, batteries are easily replaced as required. They're reasonably accurate too.
Smithy
I think I know why Garmin no longer makes the TPMS sensors. Just one of their sensors cost more than a complete GPS system these days.
I just added one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SYKIK-Wireless-Pressure-Monitoring-Motorcycles/dp/B07BFH9WZ7/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14R6O088QT8ER&keywords=motorcycle+tpms&qid=1689698239&sprefix=motorcycle+tpms%2Caps%2C302&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685)on my Zero DSR/X. "Reasonably accurate"? They are right on the nose, exact same PSI reading as my best tire gauges. And have very small wheel sensors that will not hit the brake calibers with the 90° valve stems that many motorcycles have these days.
The only people who will worry about these leaking are those who have never used such. That even included me at first.
Tire experts say a decent sealed tire cap does more to hold in the air than does the tire valve. The tire valve is only there to hold the air for when we fill up the tires and caps should always be used.
-Don- Reno, NV
Appreciate the review on this unit. Will pick one up to compare to the FOBO. May be better to have the readout display not tied to the phone.
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do adding these devices unbalance the tires any? I know that to fine balance a tire, they can staple as little as 1/4 oz onto it to fine tune it in some instances. Throwing extra weight on it via the thingie, would that cause issues for you?
Just curious.
Aaron
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do adding these devices unbalance the tires any? I know that to fine balance a tire, they can staple as little as 1/4 oz onto it to fine tune it in some instances. Throwing extra weight on it via the thingie, would that cause issues for you?
Just curious.
Aaron
The small sensors in the one I mentioned above are too light to make a significant difference. You will not notice any difference. It's negligible. But older external ones such as pressure-Pro sensors were heavy enough to make some difference and those are best left on before balancing. Simply put a 1/4 oz weight on the opposite side and forget about it. Balancing weights can be found as light as 5 grams / 0.176 oz but I wouldn't bother with that with these small light TPMS sensors. At least I never did.
-Don- Reno, NV
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do adding these devices unbalance the tires any? I know that to fine balance a tire, they can staple as little as 1/4 oz onto it to fine tune it in some instances. Throwing extra weight on it via the thingie, would that cause issues for you?
Just curious.
Aaron
The small sensors in the one I mentioned above are too light to make a significant difference. You will not notice any difference. It's negligible. But older external ones such as pressure-Pro sensors were heavy enough to make some difference and those are best left on before balancing. Simply put a 1/4 oz weight on the opposite side and forget about it. Balancing weights can be found as light as 5 grams / 0.176 oz but I wouldn't bother with that with these small light TPMS sensors. At least I never did.-Don- Reno, NV
I leave the sensors on when balancing.....but as you mention, it's negligible. After balancing I removed the sensor whilst the wheel was still on the balancer, no change...so they're probably less than 5 grams.
Smithy.
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The sensors do upset the wheel balance on my little Grom with carbon wheels. No issues detected on the Energica wheels. They have some weight to them, so it makes sense to balance the wheels with the sensors on. Your wheel balancing apparatus factors in to this process as well.
Tested out the Sykik sensors compared to the FOBO. I prefer the FOBO.
The additional hardware display unit required for the sykik is not a plus for me. I ride with my phone visible on a mount, so I prefer to have the data displayed on the phone. Having it on the phone also allows you to easily monitor any alerts you set regarding pressure parameters if you are using a helmet communicator system such as a cardo or the like.
They have identical readings both cold and hot, so accuracy is comparable.
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@pard: How about the cap size of Fobo compared to Sykik?
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@pard: How about the cap size of Fobo compared to Sykik?
About the same size and weight.
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Thanks, so this means they might not fit w/o turning the front valve by 45° in to avoid collision with the caliper.
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Thanks, so this means they might not fit w/o turning the front valve by 45° in to avoid collision with the caliper.
They clear the calipers on my Rebelle. No need to move the front valve to another position.
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Update on the FOBO unit. Be careful. I suspect I had one of the pressure caps leak on me.
Front tire was at 20PSI this morning. I thought I had a puncture, so I inspected the tire and found nothing.
Pumped it up and went for a ride.
Pressure was fine. No drop at all over several hours.
My theory is that the FOBO TPM cap worked a bit loose and did not maintain the seal. It felt plenty snug when I removed it to add air, so who knows.
Will snug it up before each ride from now on.
Note: I am not using the lock nuts that come with the kit, which may be the cause of the problem. Might be operator error and not an issue with the product. Will put those lock nuts on. They thread on to the valve stem below the cap and in addition to tightening the cap on to the stem, the lock nuts are tightened against the cap for extra security.
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Update on the FOBO unit. Be careful. I suspect I had one of the pressure caps leak on me.
Front tire was at 20PSI this morning. I thought I had a puncture, so I inspected the tire and found nothing.
Pumped it up and went for a ride.
Pressure was fine. No drop at all over several hours.
My theory is that the FOBO TPM cap worked a bit loose and did not maintain the seal. It felt plenty snug when I removed it to add air, so who knows.
Will snug it up before each ride from now on.
Note: I am not using the lock nuts that come with the kit, which may be the cause of the problem. Might be operator error and not an issue with the product. Will put those lock nuts on. They thread on to the valve stem below the cap and in addition to tightening the cap on to the stem, the lock nuts are tightened against the cap for extra security.
I have 3 motorcycles with TPMS's on them, none of them leak and I don't use the locknuts either.
Smithy.
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Thanks to this thread, I ordered the Sykik TPMS off Amazon a little over a month ago and it has been great so far. Would purchase again.
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Update on the FOBO unit. Be careful. I suspect I had one of the pressure caps leak on me.
Front tire was at 20PSI this morning. I thought I had a puncture, so I inspected the tire and found nothing.
Pumped it up and went for a ride.
Pressure was fine. No drop at all over several hours.
My theory is that the FOBO TPM cap worked a bit loose and did not maintain the seal. It felt plenty snug when I removed it to add air, so who knows.
Will snug it up before each ride from now on.
Note: I am not using the lock nuts that come with the kit, which may be the cause of the problem. Might be operator error and not an issue with the product. Will put those lock nuts on. They thread on to the valve stem below the cap and in addition to tightening the cap on to the stem, the lock nuts are tightened against the cap for extra security.
Changed the tire. The tire was the culprit. Pinhole leak in the rubber. No leak in the TPM cap after all.
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I have 3 motorcycles with TPMS's on them, none of them leak and I don't use the locknuts either.
Smithy.
I have 11 motorcycles and two RVs with external TPMS.
That is 34 tires with an external TPMS for many years.
I have yet to see even one TPMS sensor leak even the slightest bit.
Some air will be lost over the months, but that is the normal rate of loss just as with a valve and cap without a TPMS sensor. The TPMSs that hold the valve in make NO difference at all.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I have 5 sets of the FoboBike II in use for a couple of years now and have no issues with them, I also have mounted the metal valves that comes with the kit and I balance the tire with the sensors in place. But I will repeat what I have said before, Energica is supposedly a progressive brand .. electrical ... but they do not even have decent 2020... technology on board such as a simple TPMS sensor or a good and easy to operate Cruise Control etc ... I don't praise a brand or manufacturer because I happened to buy something from them ;)
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Agreed on the cruise control, really bad placement there. As for TPM, yah, I mean even if they offered 'advanced monitoring' as an add on or extra you could put on the bike, it would have been nice.
how cool would a screen be, a quick screen you could flick thru, that had LARGE NUMBERS so you can read them at fucking highway speeds w/o having to squint and squinch and really break your concentration on the road.
Tire Pressure, 38 / 37
Tire Temp: 115 / 119
Battery Voltage 308
Battery Temp 102
Maybe one or two other things, who knows, but basic NEEDED knowledge BIG readable and right there. You could have a user input section where you as the user can adjust alarm setpoints, kind of like you can adjust other things from the current user menu. Set the tire pressure alarm to say 30 PSI. If you are riding and a tire drops, your existing screen, lets halo it out in yellow or put up an icon on the bottom of the speed reading that there is a warning, to go LOOK at what's going wrong!
Get your attention to go see what's bad.
This could Also be very useful for the 1001 other general faults that can pop up too. You get a yellow triangle, or other warning, instead of having to sift thru 20 pages of menu as we currently do, squinting to find out WTF. When a major alarm like that pops, you flick over to this screen, there it is BIG LETTERS across the bottom.
Turn Signal Error Code. 020A.
Ok fine, I just now seen at highway speeds, I have a turn signal fault. I didn't have to really take my eyes off the road, fiddle fuck with 3 different buttons to try to get to the right screen to find a menu item, pull down on it, etc etc, and yet somehow still try to pay attention to traffic around me.
Yes, we'd love to see this very much.
Aaron
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…not to mention that you can also change the motor mappings while riding - but you have to stop and disengage the “GO” mode to modify the heated handgrips setting :o. Ouch!
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Spector, I have a KTM 1290 SA and it has a TPM just like you describe. Easy to scroll through the menus at highway speeds to glance at your tire pressure and when it starts to drop a warning pops up on the screen. Would love something just like it on my Ribelle.
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The Ribelle, and I will assume,probably wrongly, the others have 3 main pages on their screen. The main speed screen, the one with kw / watt hours, and the other one with torques and stuff.
Add a 4 th screen. Call it the gen info screen or Diagnostic / Trouble screen. Has your quick 3 or 4 items mentioned previously and ANYthing that pops up driving that is a cause for concern, it pops here it big letters
Something pops, you get an alert on your other screens, you flip over to this one to see what it is, push the mode button to acknowledge that you seen it, and clear the alert off the other screens. and go about what you need to do.
I say this for ALL vehicles, if something is going goofy, making people have to wade thru 20 menus and 40 different button press patterns to get to what it is is kind of disingenuous all around. SHOW US WHATS WRONG!! and Remember, WE ARE DRIVING, we really do NOT need to be taking our main concentration off the road to try to read teeny instructions / category headers etc to try to figure out what it is.
aaron