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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: nekodan on June 27, 2023, 09:09:36 AM
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Hi,
I'm considering replacing my 2016 SR with a 2023 DSR/X (nice incentives until 7/15 in the USA). I can't seem to get a clear answer about how to charge at home. I know there's a J1772 port on the tank. And that it can be charged on 120V home current. But I also have a 240V NEMA 14-50 in my garage. Is there a direct plug option from the 240V? Or do I need a charger converter? Better yet, is there a Tesla -> J1772 adapter as I have a Tesla wall charger too? Thanks!
Update: It looks like there is a Lectron charge adapter from Tesla to J1772 on Amazon and someone reported that it worked with their Zero motorcycle in 2021.
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Hi,
I'm considering replacing my 2016 SR with a 2023 DSR/X (nice incentives until 7/15 in the USA). I can't seem to get a clear answer about how to charge at home. I know there's a J1772 port on the tank. And that it can be charged on 120V home current. But I also have a 240V NEMA 14-50 in my garage. Is there a direct plug option from the 240V? Or do I need a charger converter? Better yet, is there a Tesla -> J1772 adapter as I have a Tesla wall charger too? Thanks!
Update: It looks like there is a Lectron charge adapter from Tesla to J1772 on Amazon and someone reported that it worked with their Zero motorcycle in 2021.
If you have a 14-50R in your garage, use something like this. (https://www.amazon.com/110-240V-Portable-Electric-Charging-Standard/dp/B07W7HDGH3/ref=sxin_18_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.6fd80408-71b6-44da-b059-082bba9089d3%3Aamzn1.sym.6fd80408-71b6-44da-b059-082bba9089d3&cv_ct_cx=EV%2Bcable%2B120%2F240%2Bvac&keywords=EV%2Bcable%2B120%2F240%2Bvac&pd_rd_i=B07W7HDGH3&pd_rd_r=dd69a2bd-7857-48cb-a837-ff9e3371164f&pd_rd_w=HHrsC&pd_rd_wg=mFf6K&pf_rd_p=6fd80408-71b6-44da-b059-082bba9089d3&pf_rd_r=YPYR1BFJY47R59XGXB0A&qid=1687836323&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=1-1-364cf978-ce2a-480a-9bb0-bdb96faa0f61-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1) You will need an adapter for a 14-50P. But then you can charge with 120 VAC or 240 VAC.
I modified one to have a very short output cable and I keep it in my Experia in case I ever need it. Such as if I need a slow charge at an RV park.
For the Tesla Wall connector (which I use at home on all six of my EVs) use one of these. (https://www.amazon.com/TeslaTap-Mini-250VAC-15KW-Maximum/dp/B0BT32SKB3/ref=sr_1_4?crid=11X2O6NA63OOU&keywords=Tesla+tap&qid=1687836723&sprefix=tesla+tap%2Caps%2C332&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18630bbb-fcbb-42f8-9767-857e17e03685) Also take it with you on longer trips so you will also be able to use Tesla Destination Stations, which are really the same as the Wall Connectors but when they are found on the road.
Where it says wait 30-seconds with no load, wait a full two minutes to be 100% sure it will work. Your Tesla Wall connector could take almost two minutes to switch to the J-1772 mode. They almost never work in 30-seconds and then you must start over by disconnecting, reconnecting unloaded and wait again.
Expect problems on the older Tesla Destination stations that are 14 and 16 KW. They often drop out within ten minutes when a Tesla Tap is used. They work best on the new 12KW (60-amp) Tesla Wall Connectors.
I find on the 8KW Tesla Destination Stations (TDS), you must start them with them off (use the reset button on the TDS) after the Tesla tap is connected. But then you do not have to wait. I think with all of them you can avoid the wait with the reset button with the Tesla-Tap connected. That works here on my Tesla Wall Connector, which is the 48-amp (12 KW).
BTW, you new Zero will probably come with a cable for home charging, but I am not sure about that, you will have to ask.
-Don- Reno, NV
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necodan, first thing you will want to do is figure out how much current your bike can take on the AC side.
From there you can select the charging cord that works for you. typically the J cords are universal, they will work with any J vehicle, and whatever the max AMPS the cord is rated at is what you can take AC. That amp rating typically is AC and DC.
With that being said, most 115 AC plugs are rated at 15 amps, fairly rare to find a gen use 20 amp one. that will give you at absolutely very best 1.8 kw of charge per hour.
if you can find a DC plug to put it in, that will well...double your AC rating. typically 240 AC plugs have a minimum breaker size of 30 amps. Your xx-50 in theory, IF the breaker is that large, will give you 50 amps of charge current at 240 VAC. The big question is, can your bike take it?
Or reworded, do you have to INVEST in all the expensive charging head and cabling etc if your bike, with EITHER will only take 15 amps!!
If you are looking at CCS plugs now - those can charge at a bunch of different rates, but REMEMBER, the main boss is YOUR VEHICLE. Just because my charger is rated at 100 amps, if YOUR bike tells it, I will only take 15 amps MAX, guess what you are getting?
If your tesla charger supports J plugs then it should support your bike as well. Given most tesla's are designed to take a LOT of amps in, some of them can take almost 80 amps AC, if you plug your bike into it, it should not be a problem.
J-1772 is a universal standard, if your tesla puts out "J-1772' Power, it should work in any device you plug it into that takes that plug.
Aaron