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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: DonTom on February 22, 2023, 09:46:59 AM
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I just received this note from the Energica delaer in RoseVille WRT the Centerstand:
"Hi Don,
I finally heard from them today. They do not have one currently available, but plan to-just no eta for now. They plan on sending us a newsletter out when this happens.
Kind regards,
Elaine
A&S Motorcycles"
I asked her in a reply if it is supposed to come with the LE or if it is an extra. When I hear something, I will post it here.
BTW. the chain seemed quite loose the day I received the bike. I think it is quite a bit looser than that 1.2" (30mm) spec.
At 600 miles, I will stop riding the bike and just wait for the centerstand to service it myself. I have enough other bikes to ride.
--Don- Reno, NV
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I just received this note from the Energica delaer in RoseVille WRT the Centerstand:
"Hi Don,
I finally heard from them today. They do not have one currently available, but plan to-just no eta for now. They plan on sending us a newsletter out when this happens.
Kind regards,
Elaine
A&S Motorcycles"
I asked her in a reply if it is supposed to come with the LE or if it is an extra. When I hear something, I will post it here.
BTW. the chain seemed quite loose the day I received the bike. I think it is quite a bit looser than that 1.2" (30mm) spec.
At 600 miles, I will stop riding the bike and just wait for the centerstand to service it myself. I have enough other bikes to ride.
--Don- Reno, NV
If my chain is loose on delivery, I'll end up taking it back to get worked on as it wasn't ready on delivery.
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My chain was loose as well but still within tolerance.
Important finding: It was factory-lubed, but not by 100%. Here in Germany, it is common that the municipal administration sends out trucks to spread some salt on the streets whenever the are frozen - so even when you ride in dry conditions, there‘s still some salt dust. With a bit of street damp, this converts into an aggressive solution that demonstrated on a few chain links where the lube was not applied perfectly. So I already had to clean it to get the rust particles off and lube it again. Thank god I do have bobbins installed and a rear stand so I can spin the wheel. Finally, I‘m also waiting on my center stand.
BTW: My dealer called last week - the factory-printed manuals arrived.
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You should always lube a new chain immediately. They basicly always come with waxy shit on them that comes off with the first bit of moisture and leaves your chain to rust.
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That is odd about the loose chain. I have bought over 20 chain-driven motorcycles over the past 60 years and every one of them had a chain that was too tight when new. It is like the factory or dealership expected the chain to loosen up by the 600 mile service so they wouldn't have to adjust them then. ???
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That is odd about the loose chain. I have bought over 20 chain-driven motorcycles over the past 60 years and every one of them had a chain that was too tight when new. It is like the factory or dealership expected the chain to loosen up by the 600 mile service so they wouldn't have to adjust them then. ???
And here in Reno, it is the opposite with Zeros when compared to my Experia. Zeros gives us all these torques and specs that their own factory doesn't go by. Everything on their bikes are overtightened when new. I have broken tools trying to remove some of those bolts. Anyway, that has been my own experience on my 2017 Zeros.
The drive belt on new Zeros is no exception. Way overtightened. Not even close to spec at the ones I checked here in Reno at Eurocycles on new Zeros. The only one that was correct, was the used Zero Black Forest they had for sale. The new ones I would not even ride home, I would be afraid the belt would snap. And that has happened at dealers with the Zero SR/F. I saw a youtube on that. See here. (https://youtu.be/fOMwuhotyng?t=220)
But with Zeros, I don't know where the rear wheel is put on. Perhaps at the dealer. The Energicas are ready to ride when the dealer receives them, unlike most bikes.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The Energicas are ready to ride when the dealer receives them, unlike most bikes.-Don- Reno, NV
I wouldn't say "ready to ride"...but not too far away, things like mirrors, luggage racks & luggage and windscreen...and any other customer requested accessories that may need to be fitted...but yes, 95% assembled for sure.
Pic below is of my bike still in the shipping crate at the dealer. ;D
Smithy.
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I wouldn't say "ready to ride"...but not too far away, things like mirrors, luggage racks & luggage and windscreen...and any other customer requested accessories that may need to be fitted...but yes, 95% assembled for sure.
Pic below is of my bike still in the shipping crate at the dealer. ;D
Smithyn
Yep. I just remembered my dealer had to change the trunk lock to match my key for the side cases and do some other small stuff such as that. But they do so little that there are no "setup fees" with Energica, unlike with other new bikes.
-Don- Reno, NV
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That is odd about the loose chain. I have bought over 20 chain-driven motorcycles over the past 60 years and every one of them had a chain that was too tight when new. It is like the factory or dealership expected the chain to loosen up by the 600 mile service so they wouldn't have to adjust them then. ???
And here in Reno, it is the opposite with Zeros when compared to my Experia. Zeros gives us all these torques and specs that their own factory doesn't go by. Everything on their bikes are overtightened when new. I have broken tools trying to remove some of those bolts. Anyway, that has been my own experience on my 2017 Zeros.
The drive belt on new Zeros is no exception. Way overtightened. Not even close to spec at the ones I checked here in Reno at Eurocycles on new Zeros. The only one that was correct, was the used Zero Black Forest they had for sale. The new ones I would not even ride home, I would be afraid the belt would snap. And that has happened at dealers with the Zero SR/F. I saw a youtube on that. See here. (https://youtu.be/fOMwuhotyng?t=220)
But with Zeros, I don't know where the rear wheel is put on. Perhaps at the dealer. The Energicas are ready to ride when the dealer receives them, unlike most bikes.
-Don- Reno, NV
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That was the case with my 2018 S. The belt was very tight and the front axle bolt was so tight that I thought I would never get it off. I needed lots of penetrating oil and had to resort to an electric impact driver to finally get it to release. >:(
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I heard from my dealer today WRT the centerstand.
I was told it is an OPTIONAL EXTRA on all models, even the LE.
Backordered, don't have a price or even an ETA yet.
I will update here when I hear more.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Backordered, don't have a price or even an ETA yet.
That's because Energica introduced it before full development, sorry for the negativity but the precedence set by BMW in the /6, /7, R11 era will be difficult to match even BMW has gone backwards and compromised on robustness in the R12 (water cooled) series and that's because it's a difficult design to get right from a longevity / warranty perspective.
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Backordered, don't have a price or even an ETA yet.
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The price is listed on Energicas configuration web site. 250Euro. (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/en/configure/experia_my2022/accessories)
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The price is listed on Energicas configuration web site. 250Euro. (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/en/configure/experia_my2022/accessories)
$231.00 US. I will order it ASAP, whenever that is.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The price is listed on Energicas configuration web site. 250Euro. (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/en/configure/experia_my2022/accessories)
$231.00 US. I will order it ASAP, whenever that is.
-Don- Reno, NV
I've also ordered one last week , my dealer said it might even turn up in the next week or two.
Smithy.
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I think many of us believe that center stands are worth their weight in gold. And apparently so do many motorcycle manufacturers. ::)
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I've also ordered one last week , my dealer said it might even turn up in the next week or two.
Smithy.
Mine is not on order. They tell me I cannot order until they officially have notice and a price. But it won't make any difference, as I will be informed when they are available.
-Don- Reno, NV (snowing here)
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I've also ordered one last week , my dealer said it might even turn up in the next week or two.
Smithy.
Mine is not on order. They tell me I cannot order until they officially have notice and a price. But it won't make any difference, as I will be informed when they are available.
-Don- Reno, NV (snowing here)
I have a price.... and an invoice, the stand itself was ~$330AUD, l've already paid for it. I'm hoping/assuming the mounting hardware and springs etc come with it. My dealer wasn't 100% sure on this though.
Smithy.
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I have a price.... and an invoice, the stand itself was $330AUD, l've already paid for it. I'm hoping/assuming the mounting hardware and springs etc come with it. My dealer wasn't 100% sure on this though.
Smithy.
I assume it's a complete kit because it is an add-on, not a stock part the bike comes with. I will be curious to know how well it works with all the luggage still on the bike.
Surprisingly, the bike I own that is the easiest to get on the centerstand is my heaviest bike, my 1,000 lb Harley. The centerstand is very well designed and is adjustable. I have discovered Harley does some things the right way. Especially small stuff, such as being able to check the engine oil on the sidestand or the centerstand, the dipstick is marked for either. And had a horn that is loud enough.
The hardest bike of mine to get on the centerstand is the Triumph Trophy SE. I can do it, but it is difficult and is best to remove the luggage first.
-Don- Reno, NV
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With the Energica's Parking Assist feature, I feel you should be able to walk it on and off the stand fairly easily. If not, might be something they might want to look into, putting a bit more allowable torque on the start to get 'over the hump' and onto the thing.
Aaron
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With the Energica's Parking Assist feature, I feel you should be able to walk it on and off the stand fairly easily. If not, might be something they might want to look into, putting a bit more allowable torque on the start to get 'over the hump' and onto the thing.Aaron
Depends if it lifts the rear wheel off the ground while doing it I guess....good idea though..! I find the "park assist" very usefull when fumbling around in my shed and having to move the bike back and forth etc..
Smithy.
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With the Energica's Parking Assist feature, I feel you should be able to walk it on and off the stand fairly easily. If not, might be something they might want to look into, putting a bit more allowable torque on the start to get 'over the hump' and onto the thing.Aaron
Depends if it lifts the rear wheel off the ground while doing it I guess....good idea though..! I find the "park assist" very usefull when fumbling around in my shed and having to move the bike back and forth etc..
Smithy.
You'd probably have to practice a few times to get the proper hang of it but if you are lifting one of the wheels off the ground, id think you should at that point be able to teeter the bike, sit back put the back tire back on the ground and lift the front one. Otherwise if not taking wheel off ground, just unload the shock a bit while it goes under and lifts.
Aaron
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The hardest bike of mine to get on the centerstand is the Triumph Trophy SE. I can do it, but it is difficult and is best to remove the luggage first.
-Don- Reno, NV
I also found my Trophy to be one of the hardest bikes to get onto the center stand. Definitely took more grunt than any other bike I ever owned with a center stand. My new to me 2016 RT is ridiculously easy to get onto the center stand compared to the Trophy. Kind of interesting since Triumph had the RT directly in its sights when it designed the Trophy.
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I just noticed the Experia Centerstand can be ordered at AF1 racing. (https://www.af1racing.com/oem-energica-center-stand-kit-ena009432)But they don't have it in stock, but it still can be ordered.
You may also not order but ask them to let you know via email when they have it in stock.
I assume the first ones they get will be sent out and they may not have any left in stock after. So I decided to order mine right now.
OEM Energica Center Stand Kit - ENA009432 $231.00 (USD)
-Don- Reno, NV
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It was an option in the configurator when I ordered mine. I hope they will still deliver the bike even if the center stand is not ready yet and ship the stand later when it's in stock.
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Moto - why don't you call your dealer, touch base with him, get an update on your bike and TELL HIM THAT SPECIFICALLY !!
If the bike is ready with all but the stand, LET ME HAVE IT. Some dealers can get stupid and would not even ask you, just because it's easier not to, less work on their end having to call you bla bla. Yah some of them ARE that lazy / shitty. Make sure they know your intentions / acceptances.
Aaron
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Thanks Aaron, will do. I check in with the dealer on the monthly "anniversary" of my order. My next call is on May 22. I'll ask them then.
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Has anyone on this thread received there Experia Centre Stand yet? I am still waiting for mine.
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Also waiting for mine in Germany. Just filed a new request with a different dealer last week, he got „Q4/2023“ as availability feedback from Energica.
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Also waiting for mine in Germany. Just filed a new request with a different dealer last week, he got „Q4/2023“ as availability feedback from Energica.
I don't trust any time guessameants from Energica. I ordered my Expeira on June 1, 2022, first day possible. It was then promised to be here in September in 2022. I finally received mine in the middle of February of 2023, around five months later than expected.
I find parts and accessories to often take even longer. At AF1 Racing, I now have Energica stuff on order for longer than a year.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Thread bump. Does anyone know if the Experia centerstand is ever going to come? It's gone from the bike configurator on line now.
Anyone figure out an alternative?
Thx
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There is no such things as reliable answers when it comes to availability of ANYTHING related to Energica.
At least I can still see the center stand in the configurator (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/en/configure/experia_my2022/accessories).
Latest info is April 2024, reported by two different dealers in Germany. A third dealer (actually my local dealer) does not make a statement.
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There is no such things as reliable answers when it comes to availability of ANYTHING related to Energica.
At least I can still see the center stand in the configurator (https://configurator.energicamotor.com/en/configure/experia_my2022/accessories).
Latest info is April 2024, reported by two different dealers in Germany. A third dealer (actually my local dealer) does not make a statement.
Interesting that the option is still in you market. It's gone from the US site configurator, replaced with the Headstock stand and rear stand/bobbins options. Fingers crossed eventually....
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Cant a center stand from another similar bike be put on somehow? I know other parts are somewhat interchangeable, a kick stand, essentially does not sound like such a 'model only' type of part.
If they are having issues getting them, I don't see why they can't just contract out with a local manufacturer in the USA to make the parts there, here's a plan, make us some! I know here in Florida there are many welding and other fab shops that do this very thing for real cheap too. Just had a custom rack made for my trailer for the solar panels and it was only a few hundred bucks, metal / labor included. If you were to order say 100 punched out or whatever components, I can't see it being stupid expensive. While they may not make a ton of money off it, just the customer satisfaction aspect would be worth a ton more IMO. or just contract with a 3rd party. I know the NE Energica shop is coming out with a new suspension kit for them soon, so there ARE people who will do the R&D and do aftermarket stuff to support it.
Aaron
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Cant a center stand from another similar bike be put on somehow? I know other parts are somewhat interchangeable, a kick stand, essentially does not sound like such a 'model only' type of part.
If they are having issues getting them, I don't see why they can't just contract out with a local manufacturer in the USA to make the parts there, here's a plan, make us some! I know here in Florida there are many welding and other fab shops that do this very thing for real cheap too. Just had a custom rack made for my trailer for the solar panels and it was only a few hundred bucks, metal / labor included. If you were to order say 100 punched out or whatever components, I can't see it being stupid expensive. While they may not make a ton of money off it, just the customer satisfaction aspect would be worth a ton more IMO. or just contract with a 3rd party. I know the NE Energica shop is coming out with a new suspension kit for them soon, so there ARE people who will do the R&D and do aftermarket stuff to support it.
Aaron
That's plan B... probably easier to have one fabbed versus trying to find a part from another bike that would work without having access to all the dimensions. My dealer already suggested that option last year. I
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I wonder if it’s an engineering issue? Is there any structure under there to attach one to?
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Fixing points are already present.
My wildest guess is that this probably might be an European Community regulatory issue. I really don’t know but wouldn’t be surprised if it requires some type of homologation. Just imagine the weld structure breaks and the bike falls over… worst case someone get hurt. In that process it is not too unusual that there are concerns from the authorities that require updating the design and subsequently new product validation. So Energica has to reach out for the supplier again and again for new samples. So this homologation & testing ping-pong takes longer than anticipated.
But as stated this is just pure speculation…
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A weld can break on a regular stand too. If it's stamped, no welds, just a bolt and a spring. but I totally get your point, Bureaucracy is insane, non intuitive, non intelligent, non productive in most countries, AND of course, that makes it government sponsored ! :D
But they DID have one at one time, did they not? wonder what changed if anything to make them have to re evaluate it. Maybe the company went under that makes the stands and new part / new manu has to be recertified?
really wish they'd make one available.
Aaron
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Well I do not remember seeing one in real life. However, it is illustrated in the configurator. I really can’t tell whether this is a very good rendering or nicely photoshopped pictures.
I could think of two reasons why it is still available as an option on their EC site and according to weck IS NOT available on the US site: (i) they simply messed up the options and it it totally random or (ii) it was deliberately removed because something is different in the US that makes Energica believe they’d better remove it.
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IN the US configurator there is no mention of the center stand, but it is shown in the picture if you select the "City Pack" configuration. A few weeks ago I talked to the parts guy at my local dealership. He was able to look it up and give me a price. I'll check back in this weekend and probably actually order one if it's available.
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IN the US configurator there is no mention of the center stand, but it is shown in the picture if you select the "City Pack" configuration. A few weeks ago I talked to the parts guy at my local dealership. He was able to look it up and give me a price. I'll check back in this weekend and probably actually order one if it's available.
I ordered and paid for one when I bought my Experia in Feb last year...so 12 months ago, still no news of when it will be delivered.
Smithy.
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N the US configurator there is no mention of the center stand, but it is shown in the picture if you select the "City Pack" configuration. A few weeks ago I talked to the parts guy at my local dealership. He was able to look it up and give me a price. I'll check back in this weekend and probably actually order one if it's available.
I ordered and paid for one when I bought my Experia in Feb last year...so 12 months ago, still no news of when it will be delivered.
Smithy.
I have it paid for also, but with AF1-racing. Along with the crash bars for my 2017 Zero SR.
Both paid for on May 14, 2023.
The ETA on the Zero Crash bars is: 17, AUG 2023 (not yet received).--$250.00
The ETA on the 2023 Energica Experia Centerstand is 14, July 2023 (also not yet received).--$231.00
I can view both orders on-line.
I have no idea what the problems are at Zero as well as Energica.
-Don- Reno, NV
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For the longest time BMW had center stands figured out to where one could take a /6 or/7 and spin it on a dime by pulling back onto one contact point of the center stand...
Them little hardpoint ears on the energica motor casting used for center-stand pivot will snap-right-off if one were to try the same.
Energica will solve it w/ added bracketry...maybe...if it doesn't look right it usually isn't right...
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Maybe just weld a little plate of steel, say 2 inches wide by 3/8 inch thick, or whatever, by whatever to go from frame side to frame side and put a tapped hole in there to mount a center stand.
I wish there was a way to center stand my Ribelle, make life a hell of a lot easier trying to get it up on paddocks when it's sitting sort of upright and not gimping over to the side like a kickstand does to it.
Aaron
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Just found recent picture of a main stand (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/producten/138/crashbars-valbeugels-energica-experia?categoryId=29) on the Dutch site https://electricmotorcycles.nl/ (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/). Well actually that section is about something else very interesting - decent crash bars!
I have contacted Marchel for more details and will share it here!
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Just found recent picture of a main stand (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/producten/138/crashbars-valbeugels-energica-experia?categoryId=29) on the Dutch site https://electricmotorcycles.nl/ (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/). Well actually that section is about something else very interesting - decent crash bars!
I have contacted Marchel for more details and will share it here!
Apparently, the Netherlands' Special Enforcement Officers (BOA/Handhaving in Dutch) just received a batch of Experias with these crash bars, and from the photos, center stands as well):
https://www.ruetir.com/2024/01/24/boas-020-arrive-silently-on-site-with-a-new-addition/
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Just found recent picture of a main stand (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/producten/138/crashbars-valbeugels-energica-experia?categoryId=29) on the Dutch site https://electricmotorcycles.nl/ (https://electricmotorcycles.nl/). Well actually that section is about something else very interesting - decent crash bars!
I have contacted Marchel for more details and will share it here!
Apparently, the Netherlands' Special Enforcement Officers (BOA/Handhaving in Dutch) just received a batch of Experias with these crash bars, and from the photos, center stands as well):
https://www.ruetir.com/2024/01/24/boas-020-arrive-silently-on-site-with-a-new-addition/ (https://www.ruetir.com/2024/01/24/boas-020-arrive-silently-on-site-with-a-new-addition/)
I see they also have crash bars. First I have seen such for an Experia.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Interesting also the rear crashbar design precludes the use of side cases. C'mon Energica I want a Center Stand! My tires will be our of round soon!
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Good Lord, how ugly can one design crash bars. I guess they stick out this wide to protect the handlebars as well, but please come on….
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Got feedback from Marchel a while ago: „Talk to your dealer.“
And that I did again, with the link above, asking him how Energica could equip that dealer but not him. He was eager to find that out and got the answer that Energica shipped prototype main stands to the Dutch dealer because he is realizing a number of Experias for the Police and HAD to add center stands. However that lot of center stands was not intended for public use.
That might also explain why those crash bars are protruding that far off the bike.
Have you ever seen BMW R1250RT for Police? Their crash bars are ugly as hell, too - but also protruding far off the silhouette. It might be a requirement coming from the officials…
Bottom line: Those are not for sale. No hint on when the final center stand will be available…
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It seems that the main stand is history now. Energica does not list it anymore in the online configurator tool and also the Online Store of Energica does not have the main stand listed anymore.
Too sad... :'(
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when I saw that filipacci dot com had them listed in stock a couple weeks ago (not sure if accurate...) I asked my dealer and they were able to order me one. They said it being available to order was a good sign, as it had not been for a while. Whether I get one... who knows. I don't have any money down, so whatever.
Fall back is I'll have one custom fabricated. Only concern there is if something happens and the mounting bosses get damaged, I'm SOL as far as warranty of not a factory accessory.
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when I saw that filipacci dot com had them listed in stock a couple weeks ago (not sure if accurate...) I asked my dealer and they were able to order me one. They said it being available to order was a good sign, as it had not been for a while. Whether I get one... who knows. I don't have any money down, so whatever.
Fall back is I'll have one custom fabricated. Only concern there is if something happens and the mounting bosses get damaged, I'm SOL as far as warranty of not a factory accessory.
I ordered and paid for a centre stand when I bought my Experia back in Feb 23 and have heard nothing since. My dealer has not heard anything either.
Smithy.
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I ordered and paid for a centre stand when I bought my Experia back in Feb 23 and have heard nothing since. My dealer has not heard anything either.Smithy.
I paid for mine in full with AF1Racing. Af1 racing contacted me after a year to ask if I want a refund, as they are not hearing a word from Energica about it. I told them I am willing to wait longer and for them to hold on to my money. I am now wondering if I should ask for the refund, as it now looks like Energica will probably never have it available.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I ordered and paid for a centre stand when I bought my Experia back in Feb 23 and have heard nothing since. My dealer has not heard anything either.Smithy.
I paid for mine in full with AF1Racing. Af1 racing contacted me after a year to ask if I want a refund, as they are not hearing a word from Energica about it. I told them I am willing to wait longer and for them to hold on to my money. I am now wondering if I should ask for the refund, as it now looks like Energica will probably never have it available.
-Don- Auburn, CA
I just now received this email from AF1Racing:
"We’ve learned from Energica that the Centerstand on this order is not in production and there are no plans to produce it again anytime in the foreseeable future."
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I’m struggling to understand what they mean by “again.”
As someone who has his eye on an Experia at some point, this is a bummer. I don’t make a habit of buying bikes that lack center stands, especially chain driven ones. Hopefully the aftermarket will provide.
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I’m struggling to understand what they mean by “again.”
As someone who has his eye on an Experia at some point, this is a bummer. I don’t make a habit of buying bikes that lack center stands, especially chain driven ones. Hopefully the aftermarket will provide.
They showed a centerstand on the Experia at first and it had a part number and all. Perhaps they made a few of them, but I don't think anybody in the USA got one.
I am hoping the same, that somebody will make a centerstand for it.
I have to wonder what is going on at Energica.
-Don- Reno, NV
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I wonder why they are balking on the center stand, many bikes have it. Is it a stability issue? Is it because the bike is so top heavy / that it's too easy to tip over on you trying to heft it and now a liability issue? I mean it just bolts to the fkn frame, it's a bent piece of steel rod, c'mon how hard is that really to make? they can't steal one from another bike design like they did with much of the other stuff on the bike. the light switch - aprilla etc etc etc.
This whole thing for such a simple product just seems so odd, what am I missing here? besides a center stand :)
Aaron