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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: wadejesu on January 28, 2023, 09:37:57 PM
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My Rib RS does not have heated grips, however the menu has a slot for heated grips, Level, on/off, manual switch on right hand control. wonder if I install the grips will they work? If dealer has to activate , can it be done remotely?
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My Rib RS does not have heated grips, however the menu has a slot for heated grips, Level, on/off, manual switch on right hand control. wonder if I install the grips will they work? If dealer has to activate , can it be done remotely?
I was under the impression that the RS version came with heated grips as standard...?? Or am l mistaken..??
Smithy.
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Im going through this right now with my 2023 ss9. After the hardware is installed It also needs to have a computer update to tell it they are there.
Joe
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Would you be buying the grips made for the bike by the OEM or a aftermarket brand?
Aaron
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I have the factory heated grips on my Ribelle and they don't get very hot, even on high. You might want to consider after market heated grips.
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Interesting, Ive installed Koso on about 4 different bikes. Wonder how hard it is to do on my ss9. Im assuming its very different, wouldn't even know how to hook it to the "battery"
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A few thoughts to that:
I went through hell re-fitting a 2021 Ribell (non RS) with factory grips afterwards. They connect to an ECU where also the illuminated „E“ - that one that lights up in configurable patterns during charging on top of the tank - connects to. Both are pin compatible but the harness insulation is all black. So, the dealer has to retract the insulation to actually identify the wire colors. My Ribelle had the carbon tank cover, so no illumination. The dealer was not aware, picked the wrong one, and BANG. This resulted in a four-weeks stay of my bike in Modena back in 2021 for troubleshooting and correction. So my strong advise if you decide to do this: Make your dealer aware!
Next, as posted the bikes VCU needs to be made aware of the heated grips.
Last not least, they really do not get too warm. Like probably a medium setting of aftermarket heated grips. Nowhere near like burning your fingers, what I have seen on highest settings with my BMW R1200GS or also with Daytona aftermarket grips.
Fitting aftermarket grips on a Ribelle/SS9/Evo, the 12V supply for the USB ports are fused 15A. Typical aftermarket grips draw 40-50W meaning they draw 50W/12V=4,1A, so there you have your power source as long as you do not use USB with heavy load in parallel.
The Experia as aux 12V supply separately fused with 15A.
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I can’t speak to installing heated grips since I ordered my Ribelle with them but I can backup the assessment that even on it’s highest setting it’s not very powerful. I would rate my Ribelle heated grips on the max setting to be about equivalent to my R1200RT’s grips on setting 2 (of 5). I always use a pair of Gerbing battery powered gloves to supplement the Ribelle’s heated grips if needed.
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Totally agree with the statement about the original heating being weak!
So, after the warranty of my bike expires next year, I will replace it for sure.
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If you're going to install heated grips on the Ribelle see if you can get some barkbusters or similar to keep the cold airstream off your hands otherwise there's basicly no point.
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If you're going to install heated grips on the Ribelle see if you can get some barkbusters or similar to keep the cold airstream off your hands otherwise there's basicly no point.
These work great but require handguards https://obradvgear.com/enduro-grip-mitt/ (https://obradvgear.com/enduro-grip-mitt/)
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My Rib RS does not have heated grips, however the menu has a slot for heated grips, Level, on/off, manual switch on right hand control. wonder if I install the grips will they work? If dealer has to activate , can it be done remotely?
In the bikes menu is the heated grip option selectable? On bikes without heated grips this menu option is greyed out. If you can access the sub menu to select power level your bike has the feature enabled and only requires installing the grips and related wiring.
Alternatively aftermarket heated grips can be added. You would just need to provide them with 12v (switched) power. Most people use a Y splitter to tap into the 12v supply for the USB port.
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Really?? that would be awesome. A few salesmen and I spent 20 mins at the dealer before I left, moving it from low-medium-high and never seemed to work. So I do have the ability to change the temp settings in the menus. Maybe I dont need a software update, just the hardware.
Thank you for that info.
Joe
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Same here, My menu acts like it has heated grips, but no heat. too bad someone from Energica couldn't chime in here.
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Demoni, Energica Service Manager, who posted above, is from Energica
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Guys, let me repeat my warning: If you have the carbon cover the ECU (not sure if it is „THE“ VCU or a secondary ecu) will give you two identical sockets. There is a chance that you unintentionally grill your CANbus with 12V when using the wrong one. Just be careful!!
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Guys, let me repeat my warning: If you have the carbon cover the ECU (not sure if it is „THE“ VCU or a secondary ecu) will give you two identical sockets. There is a chance that you unintentionally grill your CANbus with 12V when using the wrong one. Just be careful!!
Any pics of the correct vs incorrect sockets?
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I‘m afraid no. Would have posted them. Just learned about it from my dealer.
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wonder if you order heated grips they come with instructions?
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I may be interested in installing them myself. I do not have a carbon cover and do have the led light in the "tank area" I did see a pretty good video on Youtube of someone installing them fairly recently.
Joe
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Here is youtube, looks like it comes with instructions and if your menu works you won't need dealer. Mine are on order, hope it don't take as long as bike did to receive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYxK_6rjh8M
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Strange, because on my Ribelle, the heated hand grips on high you can barely touch them, they are HOT. I thought that was so you can feel them thru riding gloves or something, but now hearing that everyone else says theirs are real cool, I am wondering.
Aaron
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Strange, because on my Ribelle, the heated hand grips on high you can barely touch them, they are HOT. I thought that was so you can feel them thru riding gloves or something, but now hearing that everyone else says theirs are real cool, I am wondering.
Aaron
Is it extra cold there? I wonder if they are designed like some other heated stuff, where they regulate the temp using PWM. That means if it's already warm, they will not work at all. But they work great when very cold. The warmer it is, the less they seem to work. But always heats to the same temp regardless of ambient temperature. That makes them feel hot when it is very cold and seem not to be working so well when warmer.
-Don- Salton Sea SRA, CA
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DonTom, I don't think they work like that. I have ridden in temps down to low 20's F and they have never gotten any warmer than they get at warmer temps. I use heated gloves when it gets cold as the heated grips just don't put out enough heat. I have never used any setting other than high because I don't think you would even know they are on at the low or medium setting. I guess it doesn't get very cold in Italy so they never saw a need to have them get warmer.
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How much affect will heated grips have on range?
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How much affect will heated grips have on range?
Imperceptible.
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Well, after this latest update, it might cost you a few hundred km 8)
Aaron
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Received heated grip kit from AF1 , installed, everything works perfect, no dealer required.
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How much affect will heated grips have on range?
Let's dot the math. The heated grips draw about 5 amps at the most, on the highest setting. That is 63 watts, (12.6V times 5 amps=63 watts)which is quite hot. I doubt if the heated grips are even near that, but we will take the worse case.
If you have the ~20KWh (usable) battery, that is 20,000 watts divided by 63 watts. You're good for 317.6 hours before a fully charged battery will discharge from the heated grips if NOT riding the bike. Won't make much difference when riding. But the biggest difference will be when riding VERY slowly as then they are on longer for the same distance. But IAC, it will reduce your range by around two feet or so. Unlikely you will notice the difference.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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From my observations, the moment you stop the bike, or take it out of 'ride mode' ie press stop button OR set off tipover trigger, OR click the kickstand down, the heaters de-energize. It won't turn them on unless the bike is actually in a mode for you to turn the throttle and GO. I would not worry too much about running down the battery if it was accidentally left on and you are not there.
ON the heated grips. I went for a ride the other day. it was 40 degrees out. (40F for you non yanks). Decided, oh I don't need my gloves, I got heated grips, lets try them out. Lemme tell you, even with the heated grips, doing 60 mph or better. yah the bottom of your hands may feel cozy but you are freezing the tops of your hands off !! So how 'useful' are they really?
Maybe if I wear gloves?
But ok then, can you feel them thru your gloves, and are they really 'useful' as in a REAL benefit thru some good gloves then? Wont the gloves keep your hands warm w/o the heater. Besides protection from injury, ARE gloves a tool for warmth? What I am getting at I guess is.
is this something that is really great, or just another bragging right. Oh hey LOOK ! I got heated pads, I got cruise control neener neener thing?
Aaron
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I have had good luck with internal-battery-powered gloves. They do a good job of keeping my hands warm on a short ride, but mine only last for about a hour on the highest setting before needing to be recharged. There are a ton of heated gloves for sale on Amazon. Cheap ones for hiking, skiing and snowmobile riding and expensive ones for motorcycle usage.
Heated gloves powered via a 12V system off of an outlet on the bike should work just fine if you don't mind the wiring flapping around a bit.
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I have had good luck with internal-battery-powered gloves. They do a good job of keeping my hands warm on a short ride, but mine only last for about a hour on the highest setting before needing to be recharged. There are a ton of heated gloves for sale on Amazon. Cheap ones for hiking, skiing and snowmobile riding and expensive ones for motorcycle usage.
Heated gloves powered via a 12V system off of an outlet on the bike should work just fine if you don't mind the wiring flapping around a bit.
I also own both, the battery heated gloves and the ones that need a 12V connection to the bike. I normally use the battery ones and I take spare charged batteries with me. Mine are the SnowDeer motorcycle gloves. I cannot get an hour on the highest settings, perhaps a half hour. But that will get me over the summit where it is the coldest. It is really cold up that way now. A couple of days ago, I rode east on Highway 20 to Cisco Grove. It was VERY cold on my Experia. I used both, the heated grips as well as the gloves on the highest settings. Lots of snow on the ground and possible ice on the roads in some shady areas. I had to be extra careful and slow to avoid the wetter areas.
I wanted to check to see if I could use the CCS Chargepoints at Cisco Grove. But I couldn't get to them. They are buried in the snow! So I came back in I-80, tried the CCS ChargePoint in Colfax. It did NOT work. And it's the same type of charger at Cisco Grove so I assume it runs the same FW. But I used the ChargePoint J-1772 there and then had lunch. Cisco Grove also has a J-1772.
Today, I rode my Experia 161 miles. I first went to Forest Hill, then to Georgetown. Then to Plymouth and then back home via Folsom Lake. I did slow AC charge a few minutes in Georgetown and Plymouth (while I had lunch). Both were free charge stations. I put my bike on Plugshare. See here (https://www.plugshare.com/location/346912)and here. (https://www.plugshare.com/location/100186)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Just got my heated grips installed today, easy instructions and work great. Took about 45 mins and I took my time, easier then the Koso's ive done in the past. Its been cold enough in Colorado to use them daily, excited to try them out.
Joe
2023 ss9
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They keep the bottoms of your hands toasty, the tops still get frosty.
If you wear gloves you may not feel them too much.
Be careful on the high setting, they can get hot enough to almost burn when you grab them after being on a few minutes.
Otherwise they aren't bad on mildly cool / cold days.
Aaron
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Here in Alabama today heat index is 120F, does anybody make cooled grips?
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Here in Alabama today heat index is 120F, does anybody make cooled grips?
Connect up one of these (http://entrosys.com/) to your gloves.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Just got my heated grips installed today, easy instructions and work great. Took about 45 mins and I took my time, easier then the Koso's ive done in the past. Its been cold enough in Colorado to use them daily, excited to try them out.
Joe
2023 ss9
Well, They seemed to work at first but now they reach a high temp of 65F degrees.
I did notice one thing tho, I had my bike charging for an hour and noticed they were heating while the kickstand was down. Yes the manual/physical grip was on but I thought the bike had to be in "go" mode to make them heat? Anyone else have their grips run when charging?
Joe.
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My bike is charging now and turned the grips on to see if they would heat but so far nothing.
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I thought the bike had to be in "go" mode to make them heat? Anyone else have their grips run when charging?
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That's correct and an icon pops up on display when heated grip switch gets activated.
Seems reasonable to assume if heated grips come on during charging the driver/relay output is shorted.
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My grips only activate when the bike is in the ready to drive mode. You can hear the click as the bike activates and at the same time, see the icon for the heaters light up on the display. If I park it or put the kickstand down they go off.
Aaron
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Ditto
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Well, They seemed to work at first but now they reach a high temp of 65F degrees.
I did notice one thing tho, I had my bike charging for an hour and noticed they were heating while the kickstand was down. Yes the manual/physical grip was on but I thought the bike had to be in "go" mode to make them heat? Anyone else have their grips run when charging?
Joe.
I confirm the grips should only be active when the throttle is enabled. When the bike is on but not charging do they still warm up? You might want to double check the wires going into the relay are in the correct locations. Also make sure the harness is plugged into the correct 4 pin connector (labeled J-109a).
When the grips are turned on there should be a icon in the top left of the dash. There are 3 dots below the grip icon indicating what power level is selected, how many of them are solid white?
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Thank you for all the input. I will need to check this again. I verified everything (installed them myself) Im pretty good at working on bikes and some electronics but I sure could have missed something. Yes, there is an icon on the top left only when the switch is on. I have it set for the highest due to them never getting real warm. Ive been emailing Energica and they are saying they should be 30ish degrees F warmer than im seeing. So either they are defective or I am. :)
Joe
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jose, you could take a resistance reading across the plug for the grips see what it is reading. They draw 30 watts? at 12 volts nominal that should be 4 or 5 ohms if I did my math right. also check that the plugs are tight, sometimes when plugging them in one can push one of the pins out the backside and not see it and it does not make contact properly or instead of going into the slot it bends over and goes along the side type thing. (assuming plugs here)
At low heat it can take a few minutes for you to start feeling it, at high heat they can be almost too hot to touch bare handed, at least mine are. Make sure everything is tight, and there is power to them and try again. 65F is not even on it's just room temp unless you are at 20 below zero now :D
aaron
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Ok... update spent 45ish minutes pulling it apart and verifying everything. All correctly wired as per the instructions, still see 65F in a 45F environment. However, this tiny black box that came with the grips that I wired is to hot to hold after running the grips for 20 mins. Hmmm
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that little black box is probably a relay for them, did you hook the wires up properly to it?
If it's that hot there is a problem. can you test it for continuity. The coil side should have some resistance to it, maybe a few 100 ohms, the other side should be open when it is off and pretty much zero ohms when the thing is powered on.
Being that hot, there probably is some damage to it, Id get a new one from the manu, that one sounds defective.
If it is a mechanical relay, and the armature is stuck / frozen, that could cause that kind of heat, as it's got all that current trying to pull the thing in and it's not moving. The thing is already broke so this can't really make it worse, try smacking it with something, not enough to crush it or bust it open but some percussive maintenance, maybe can shake something loose if it's stuck? Id still get a new one, that one IS bad.
Aaron
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Yes, Ill see what more I can find out about it. It came with the grips and I installed it per the instructions. I have emailed Energica and maybe they can send me just that relay.
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ED06D5 is a solid state relay w/ protection diode on output terminals, if power and heater grip circuit get transposed the protection diode conducts.
Make sure 12VDC power is on terminal (3) (shown as terminal (3+) in part data sheet) and load is on terminal (4).
https://www.sensata.com/sites/default/files/a/sensata-ed-series-dc-output-plug-in-ssr-datasheet.pdf (https://www.sensata.com/sites/default/files/a/sensata-ed-series-dc-output-plug-in-ssr-datasheet.pdf)
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Ok, I wonder if these instructions are incorrect then... Looks like 4 is power, this way I have it hooked up.
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Instructions are correct - terminal-4 labeled "Power" SB called "Switched Power".
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Has anyone tried to power heated gloves through this j109 plug ?
I wonder if the 12V from the J109 is available without the heated glove option?
My Ribelle does not have the heated grips option ( menu greyed out) and anyway, I found like others heated gloves as more efficient but
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Has anyone tried to power heated gloves through this j109 plug ?
I wonder if the 12V from the J109 is available without the heated glove option?
J-109a will not output 12V unless it is enabled in software.
Fuse #6 (10A) provides power to both the USB port and the factory heated grips. You can tap into this 12V supply to power 3rd party grips.
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@Demoni
Your 300 volt to 12 volt converter on the bike.
What is it's Rated amps max it can put out?
so like if I wanted to add, say a 100 watt or 120 watt device to the bike, tap it and run a separate fuse for that device, could the 12 v converter handle that?
thanks
Aaron
PS. ok ok, i want to put a small coffee brewer on my bike, so there, yes im sick in the head, i need 12V 11a to run it.
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PS. ok ok, i want to put a small coffee brewer on my bike, so there, yes im sick in the head, i need 12V 11a to run it.
That would be 132 watts.
Smithy.
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I went over by 2 amps to error on the safe side of the thing. I have not metered it yet to see what it actually pulls. This of course can / will vary by the exact voltage the converter puts out as well. 15 amps would be ideal, 10 may work, but be close. But if the thing is only good for 7 or 8 amps, then not so much, unless you have a short term overload scale on it. Also, if it pulls say 9.3 amps on a 10 amp fuse, the cold inrush might be enough to pop the fuse after a few runs too.
Just saying
Aaron