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Title: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: terryo on August 13, 2022, 08:03:56 PM
Hi There:

 I would like to know more about the "Long" battery in my (non-modular) 2020 Zero FX 7.2. Please add in any information including pictures about this battery. Please feel free to correct me when I'm wrong.

 It seems like the long battery has a single BMS. I understand the battery weighs about 80lbs or about 26kgs.

 Other than the weight what are the issues with taking the battery out and putting it back in? I would expect to do this only once a year. Are the connectors delicate in any way? What does one have to watch out for when taking it out or putting it back in ? Can you charge the battery when it is off the bike with a Delta Quiq charger ? Can the same "Power Pack Module adapter" that works with the modular ("short") batteries work well with the "long" battery ?

Thank You in advance
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: staples on August 22, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
The unofficial manual may have information you are looking for: https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Long_Brick

I'm pretty sure there is no turnkey solution, like the delta-qs, for charging the non-modular batteries off bike.

But the largest question is "Why do you want to pull it out once a year?"
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: NEW2elec on August 22, 2022, 10:47:00 PM
The "long" battery isn't designed to be removed by customers like the modular batteries were.

I guess you want to remove it for winter.  Really no need to. If it's in a garage or basement it's fine.
Just check the state of charge now and then and see if it has about 60% then it's fine.
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: terryo on August 25, 2022, 12:33:25 AM
You are correct. I'm thinking about winter storage.

The battery is supposed to stay above -20C in the winter, and although the outside temperature will go below -20C at night 5-10 nights a winter and will probably stay above -20C in my unheated but attached garage, I am investigating ways to guarantee the battery is kept "warm".  Possibilities are ...

 1) Take out the battery and store the battery in the house
      (or)
 2)  Put a cover over the motorcycle. Place an incandescent light bulb inside the cover and near the floor but not touching the motorcycle. Set up a wifi savvy thermometer inside the cover. On those nights when the outside temperature is likely going below -15C remotely turn on the lightbulb.
 
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: TheRan on August 25, 2022, 02:40:11 AM
You can get heating pads for reptile enclosures that have built in adjustable thermometers.
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: staples on August 25, 2022, 02:44:23 AM
Another thing to keep in mind is the thermal mass of the battery. It would probably maintain a temperature above the -20C limit as long as the duration of the ambient temperature dips below that limit are short enough.
Title: Re: Query concerning Zero FX/FXS/FXE long battery
Post by: Richard230 on August 25, 2022, 02:45:57 AM
You can get heating pads for reptile enclosures that have built in adjustable thermometers.

Or use a cheap electric blanket.