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Makes And Models => Damon => Topic started by: Moto7575 on August 10, 2022, 11:27:16 AM
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I was originally gonna say, "Nice! That's the one where they used Ducati's footage pretending to be them and then had to publicly eat crow, right?" BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME GODDAMN VIDEO EVEN AFTER ALL THE DRAMA (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-motorcycles-update-and-why-theres-a-ducati-in-a-damon-video)
Like. Dude. There's bold and then there's psychotic.
Holy
fucking
shit
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Shhh Shhh it's ok that old ad can't hurt you.
Now take some deep breaths and go ride your big boy bike.
Just keep telling yourself "this is a REAL bike because I can ride it today and don't have to wait".
That always makes you feel better.
And yes Moto7575 you can pre order any of the 4 models of the Hypersport or any of the three versions of the Hyperfighter. You can also request a test ride when they are in your area.
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Lets say they saved all the money for product R&D and had to cut the corners on their marketing ;-)
I was originally gonna say, "Nice! That's the one where they used Ducati's footage pretending to be them and then had to publicly eat crow, right?" BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME GODDAMN VIDEO EVEN AFTER ALL THE DRAMA (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-motorcycles-update-and-why-theres-a-ducati-in-a-damon-video)
Like. Dude. There's bold and then there's psychotic.
Holy
fucking
shit
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Imagine being so delusional that you still stand behind a company that does this.
Absolutely wild, man.
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And yes Moto7575 you can pre order any of the 4 models of the Hypersport or any of the three versions of the Hyperfighter. You can also request a test ride when they are in your area.
That's not accurate. They recently came to Miami, made a big public post suggesting people could ride, and when I inquired if I could go and get a test drive, they admitted they didn't bring any bikes. Just flyers. I asked when they might have demo rides, they told me not yet. I don't think a single human alive has ever had a test ride of these bikes.
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Hi RFlashman! I'm Meygan from Damon and I just wanted to clarify that the Miami event was a pop-up for customers to come meet some of the team and see the bikes in person. We had several demonstrations for attendees on the prototypes (you can see this was from the event: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdqYZv6gKxQ/), but the area and prototypes were not suited for public test rides.
While it's true, that test rides haven't been open to the public yet, they are coming and we encourage everyone interested to apply at damon.com. Until then, here are some highlights of the bike on the track: https://youtu.be/PJO-dpPk7hk
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While we did have the licensing and rights to use the footage, it shouldn't have been used and you're right, it shouldn't be there now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention - I'm getting the team on it!
I was originally gonna say, "Nice! That's the one where they used Ducati's footage pretending to be them and then had to publicly eat crow, right?" BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEY'RE STILL USING THE SAME GODDAMN VIDEO EVEN AFTER ALL THE DRAMA (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-motorcycles-update-and-why-theres-a-ducati-in-a-damon-video)
Like. Dude. There's bold and then there's psychotic.
Holy
fucking
shit
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Looks like mine will be a while. Hopefully Damon won't follow Motus
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That date is for the Hyperfighter Unlimited 20 not the Colossus which is the halo version of the model.
The plan is to fulfill all the Hypersport Founders Edition orders first then the other Hypersport models then Colossus orders then the rest of the Hyperfighter 20 and 15 models and all other later bike orders.
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I have to say Damon was one EV I was really interested in. Still am but until I see real world feedback, I'll ride my Livewire for a while. Not to mention I think I'll be quicker 0-60 on the Livewire than I would on the Damon. Short tall bikes are wheelie prone and then you have to kill the power when you do. I ran into that on the Energicas.
The Damons are nice looking bikes. Really want to what kind of reliability they have before I drop 30-40k on a bike no matter how nice it looks or appears to be engineered.
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Fair enough Day Trippin. As for 0-60 that Livewire is a torque monster and might jump off the line quicker but I don't think it would last long. ;)
I would recommend going to their website and signing up for a test ride request. They will be touring around and doing test ride events where they have the most interest.
There are lower priced options from them but the range and top speed drops along with the price.
If you have any other questions just post them here.
Thanks.
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I'll definitely do a test ride. I can't say I love everything about the Livewire but for the vast majority of my riding, there really isn't going to be anything substantially better than it. I rode the Ernegicas and and they were slower to 60 and didn't really pull the Livewire I tested later until close to triple digits.
Where I live currently I am lucky if I can get in a good 0-60 burst. Even on one of my super quick bikes or cars, by the time I hold the throttle open for more than 4 seconds I already need to be hard on the brakes. It is one of the reasons I bought the LW over others I rode. In my environment, nothing really works better than it for an electric motorcycle.
I never thought traffic would be as bad as it is when I moved. Prior to the move, there wasn't a day that I couldn't easily see 150 or better in the car or bikes just coming home from work. Now 0-80 is a far more useful speed range for me. On the plus side, I drive a lot fewer miles to work and in general.
If the Damon turns out to be reliable, I'd definitely consider it. It isn't about the price, it is how I view the value I am receiving for the price. I will be curious to see what the real world range is at 75-85 mph and how fast it charge on L2. It will be interesting to see how the dealer network pans out. That was another stumbling block with Energica. Way too far away from the nearest dealer and far outside of its range even with a L3 charging stop thrown in on the way.
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The LiveWire is the slowest 0-60 of all the manufacturers I think. It's certainly not a bad powertrain, but even when they take it to the drag strip and put a 4'10" rider on it, (https://electrek.co/2020/09/13/harley-davidson-livewer-set-new-drag-racing-record/) the bike lags behind a stock Energica with a 200lb guy casually testing out the drag strip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTbu-vwjAIs
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I am a big guy. When you put me on a short wheelbase, higher seat height bike, it is the ideal scenario for wheelies. I rode the Energicas and on the LW I could consistently get to 60 quicker. It doesn't matter what the bike is theoretically capable of with an ideal rider, it is what it can do with me when I use it.
If I there are wheelies, the power has to be cut. The more wheelie prone, the more the power has to be cut. So basically it is what amount of power can be put down. On the LW, it is lower and longer and even though it has less power, I am quicker because I can use more of it. So unless I put an extended swingarm, or wheelie bars on an Energica, the LW is going to be quicker for me at least to 60. That is where the bulk of my riding is and one of the reasons I passed on buying an Energica. The benefits it might have over the LW were not realized in my riding situation. The old adage in drag racing applies; "It isn't how much power you have, but how much power you can put down".
If I rode on more open roads, or spent my time at higher speeds, the Energica (or Damon) would make more sense. I ride in pretty dense city traffic and the LW is a great tool for that. At the end of the day I have a turbo bike and a supercharged bike that downright make the Energicas look slow. So if I really need a speed fix, I'll hop on one of those. I almost never ride them currently as they are terrible tools for the heavy traffic I deal with. The LW is a great urban assault tool for me. If I hadn't ridden the Energicas as well as the LW, I probably would have bought one of the Energicas. The test ride on the LW showed me it would be better for my riding conditions.
At the end of the day, people need to buy what is best for their usage. It may not be what others might consider to be the "best bike". For my environment, the LW turned out to be the best bike currently, although I had never seriously considered it at first and basically planned on buying an Energica Ego. If I had done that, it would have been a mistake.
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I didn't post anything theoretical; I posted real-world tests with real-world results. Do you have data?
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All I really know about the Livewire's 0-60 times is what I learned from these guys. At 11:15 they are talking about it and the guy on the left says he "suspects" it could do a flat 3 secs with better tires.
Guess you can't believe everything on the internet.
From the Brandon Nozaki Miller YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EJSSOC769Q
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It probably could. We've also recorded 3.0 second 0-60s on Zeros. Thanks for contributing!
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Your welcome.
Oh yeah Damon was able to make a max 247hp with their motor and proprietary controller at 8k RPMs at the Frisco lab. They will limit it to 200hp but it's nice to know huh?
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Truly anything is possible when you're dealing with imaginary concept bikes!
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Power is irrelevant if you can't get it to the ground. Relatively tall, short wheelbase motorcycles, ensure that you aren't getting that power to the ground effectively so it only becomes useful at higher speeds. Unless of course you want to extend the swingarm, lower the bike, etc. to really take advantage of it.
Even then, unless you spend your life at the track, or ride on some really open roads with minimal law enforcement, how useful is it other than bragging rights? So great, the motor made 247 HP, not what? Is that really going to improve 0-60 times? Unlikely as traction and wheelies are an issue, so power we be cut. So where does that really matter? Maybe getting close to triple digits or up into triple digits but wheelies can still be an issue. So how much of the 247, assuming it does, can you really put down all of the time on the street?
Sure sounds impressive though...
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Day Trippin you have some valid points and at the end of the day really high speed will just get you into trouble.
The specs for the HS are shooting for a sub 3 seconds 0-60. Which will take some warm sticky tires and a rider laying down keeping plenty of weight up front resisting those pesky wheelies.
By all means enjoy your Livewire but do sign up for a test ride request if you get a chance. You just might like the bikes Damon will offer.
Cheers.
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I am always open to seeing if there is something better out there. I am not married to my Livewire. It worked out to be the best option at the time I was ready to buy for my typical riding. If the Damon actually turns out to be great, I will definitely consider it to add to my fleet and find a safe place to turn up the wick on it.
I will say I am extra cautious about high speeds on a public road. I once was ticked for 100 mph in excess of the posted limit which was 70 mph. So basically the highway patrol said I was traveling in excess of 170 mph. Fortunately I wasn't guilty and the officer ticketed me in error (confused my vehicle with another one). Even though the ticket was issued in error, it still took me almost 2.5 years fighting it to finally get it overturned and countless hours driving to a remote jurisdiction to appear in court.
It was a very good lesson about how this can play out if you are caught legitimately. Since then I always made sure that if I was ever going to get into the upper speed ranges my bikes and cars are capable of on a public road, I made darn sure it was in an area with no enforcement.