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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: Fred on December 19, 2021, 11:47:25 PM
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The article doesn't add much to the title really.
https://www.visordown.com/news/racing/motogp/ducati-motoe-bike-has-been-built-and-already-testing
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Article with photos of the actual bike on track:
https://www.motorcycle.com/features/ducati-motoe-prototype-electric-racebike-makes-public-testing-debut.html
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Thanks. That's a far more interesting article.
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Good that the effort is finally starting, though absolutely no spec numbers so far (except the motor having 147HP, according to Electrek (https://electrek.co/2021/12/21/ducati-shows-off-its-first-electric-racing-motorcycles-set-to-join-motoe-racing-series/)), and the speculation the battery is 21kWh (reasonable, given the size and the MotoE reqs).
Hopefully this will get additional bike manufacturers to sit up and take notice... I'd really like a full-range electric sport-tourer before I have to give up riding eventually.
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Better article here: https://m-gpone-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/m.gpone.com/en/2021/12/21/motoe/an-electrifying-mystery-a-journey-inside-the-ducati-v21l.html?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16402050855210&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gpone.com%2Fen%2F2021%2F12%2F21%2Fmotoe%2Fan-electrifying-mystery-a-journey-inside-the-ducati-v21l.html
Electrek is clickbait. I speculate it will have far more than 147hp. It's a Ducati come on..
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But then it'll not last race distance. (Good link btw)
Cas :)
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More info and a link to a nice on-track video.
https://electrek.co/2022/04/16/look-and-listen-as-we-get-our-first-video-of-the-ducati-racing-electric-motorcycle-doing-hot-laps/
It seems the official Ducati video has disappeared, but there seem to bo a few copies on YouTube, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Qbp75CAg4
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Some more info coming out from Ducati
https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/company/product-innovation/moto-e
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Those specs are very impressive. Basically combining the weight of a Zero SR with the power of an Ego. I can't help but notice that it uses 21700 cylindrical cells instead of pouch cells. I wonder why they went this direction, since I've heard that pouch cells are a lot more space-efficient?
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And Motorcycle.com also checks out the Ducati V21 Moto E race bike: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/world-exclusive-ducati-v21l-motoe-prototype-first-look.html
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Some more info coming out from Ducati
https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/company/product-innovation/moto-e
That's a very impressive amount of technical detail, with no empty buzzwords, including things which normally you'd expect they'd still keep confidential like pack and overall bike weight; my take is that the design is pretty much finalized apart from tuning, which is impressively quickly.
Interesting (though perhaps not surprising) that it's an 800V system. I also suspect that charging is DC only, as there wouldn't be a need to take the weight for an AC OBC on a racebike.
Looking forward to see actual results with this bike, and even more, street bikes based on the design...
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Some more info coming out from Ducati
https://www.ducati.com/ww/en/company/product-innovation/moto-e
That's a very impressive amount of technical detail, with no empty buzzwords, including things which normally you'd expect they'd still keep confidential like pack and overall bike weight; my take is that the design is pretty much finalized apart from tuning, which is impressively quickly.
Interesting (though perhaps not surprising) that it's an 800V system. I also suspect that charging is DC only, as there wouldn't be a need to take the weight for an AC OBC on a racebike.
Looking forward to see actual results with this bike, and even more, street bikes based on the design...
I bet it really helps to have VW bankrolling the project and donating their EV engineers to help out with the development of your race bike. ;)
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Bankrolling, sure, but where did you see that VAG contributed engineers?
The entire VAG MEB-platform is very much oriented towards modularity and low (very low) production costs, at the expense of everything else; none of the vehicles in it so far have impressive performance, including the GTX variants.
Porsche's PPE platform is a slightly different story (also used in the full-size Audi e-tron), but still quite porky, and hardly race-focused.
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There is a lot more information regarding the Ducati V21L racer prototype here, including technical details, closeup photos and a "tech talk" video. It seems like a lot of information for a racing motorcycle, unless that bike is being built as a technical demonstrator and will not be racing against other brands. ??? https://thepack.news/ducati-unveiled-the-technical-details-of-the-motoe-project-v21l-in-a-video/
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There is a lot more information regarding the Ducati V21L racer prototype here, including technical details, closeup photos and a "tech talk" video. It seems like a lot of information for a racing motorcycle, unless that bike is being built as a technical demonstrator and will not be racing against other brands. ??? https://thepack.news/ducati-unveiled-the-technical-details-of-the-motoe-project-v21l-in-a-video/
That's the same video that Fred linked above, unless I'm missing something. Still don't see anything about VAG engineers, just Ducati & Ducati Corse engineering teams.
And indeed since the MotoE series has a single supplier for the bikes which are all identical, and for the next few years it's the V21L, this bike design won't be racing against any others.
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There is a lot more information regarding the Ducati V21L racer prototype here, including technical details, closeup photos and a "tech talk" video. It seems like a lot of information for a racing motorcycle, unless that bike is being built as a technical demonstrator and will not be racing against other brands. ??? https://thepack.news/ducati-unveiled-the-technical-details-of-the-motoe-project-v21l-in-a-video/
That's the same video that Fred linked above, unless I'm missing something. Still don't see anything about VAG engineers, just Ducati & Ducati Corse engineering teams.
And indeed since the MotoE series has a single supplier for the bikes which are all identical, and for the next few years it's the V21L, this bike design won't be racing against any others.
While there is no mention of VAG engineers helping to design the Ducati's power train, I doubt that Ducati designed the bike's power components from scratch. No doubt they are experts at ICE design, but EV is an entirely new direction and they would need help from EV experts to put that bike together. That is expertise that they wouldn't initially have. The logical source of that knowledge, as well as finding and sourcing the best EV components, would most likely come from VW in one form or another.
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I’m guessing Ducati is going to target MY 2025 for a road-going version and that it will initially be a very sporty model similar to the Panigale (PanigalE?) or perhaps the Streetfighter. I expect that the Experia will continue to be the only upright sport-tourer with DCFC in the electric segment for about 5 years. Because of this, I believe that Energica will have a significant-enough advantage over established gas manufacturers that they will never catch up (unless Energica installs poor leadership and squanders their advantage like Zero did). I predict that an Experia or equivalent will be 1 year ahead of Ducati and Triumph’s offerings for the foreseeable future, which will allow them to position themselves as a low-volume premium brand, like MV Agusta. Don’t get me wrong, I’d still love to see an electric Multistrada and Tiger duking it out in that segment and keeping Energica on their toes, but I don’t think they’re going to bring these models out until c2027 or so, and I don’t expect them to be better than the MY 2027-28 Experia.
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Ducati starts production of their MotoE electric race bikes: https://thepack.news/ducatis-production-of-motoe-bikes-for-the-2023-championship-has-begun/