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Title: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: MVetter on December 01, 2021, 11:16:08 PM
Not strictly a motorcycle but hey the official video is up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3gOOT3vPJ4

Definitely Zero's powertrain and you can get it configured with either 1 or 2 monoliths worth of juice. Pretty cool!

https://ranger.polaris.com/en-us/ranger-xp-kinetic/
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Richard230 on December 02, 2021, 04:47:08 AM
Nice.  :) Having Polaris as a partner for their power trains and battery packs can't be anything but good for Zero's future - and purchasing power.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Shadow on December 02, 2021, 05:22:27 AM
The local Zero-authorized dealership in Reno NV USA circa 2016 is primarily a Polaris dealership and got dropped by Zero. ??? I'm sure this is going to make them crazy to have to service Zero drivetrain again.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: princec on December 02, 2021, 07:15:06 AM
Wow, that looks like stacks of fun. Also somehow it manages to make the Zero bikes seem even poorer value for money.

Cas :)
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Fran K on December 02, 2021, 07:33:22 AM
Right an extra 14.9 of battery called capacity for $5000 and that also includes some other upgrades.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: shayan on December 02, 2021, 10:23:05 AM
Wow, that looks like stacks of fun. Also somehow it manages to make the Zero bikes seem even poorer value for money.

Cas :)

Why?! how do we know this aint a 14.9kWh+ battery in there? ;)
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Starpower on December 02, 2021, 09:59:35 PM
It is certainly impressive, but the cost is nuts at close to that of an EV car with double the motor and 3-4X the battery and far more features.
I understand why, just hard to swallow.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Fred on December 02, 2021, 10:30:01 PM
Not to be outdone, Tesla just announced the Cyberquad (https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberquad-for-kids). Well... it's cheaper at least.  :D
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: princec on December 02, 2021, 11:52:07 PM
I'm too much of a fatty for the Tesla one :(

Cas :)
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Richard230 on December 03, 2021, 04:30:31 AM
Not to be outdone, Tesla just announced the Cyberquad (https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberquad-for-kids). Well... it's cheaper at least.  :D

Gotta start them early on the Tesla path.  ;)
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Hansi on December 06, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
I don't understand why they don't offer fast charging, at least as an option.. In my opinion it's almost as if they don't want to sell it
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: wavelet on December 06, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
I don't understand why they don't offer fast charging, at least as an option.. In my opinion it's almost as if they don't want to sell it
But they do... 9kW on the "ultimate" model (including the optional 3kW charger).  Which they call "fast charging" ;D

If you mean why no CCS DC fast charging, it's no different from why Zero bikes don't have it: System voltage is too low.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: NEW2elec on December 06, 2021, 07:45:35 PM
From Transport Evolved, they have already sold out of the planned units.
As for CCS charging, why in the world would you want CCS charging on a utility farm vehicle?  At this point no one has anything close to CCS at their house and the thing isn't road legal.
You would have to trailer it to a station to charge it.  No point at all.  Bikes are one thing but not this.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: wavelet on December 06, 2021, 08:37:59 PM
From Transport Evolved, they have already sold out of the planned units.
As for CCS charging, why in the world would you want CCS charging on a utility farm vehicle?  At this point no has anything close to CCS at their house and the thing isn't road legal.
You would have to trailer it to a station to charge it.  No point at all.  Bikes are one thing but not this.
Low-rate (~25kW) residential/destination CCS DC chargers do exist; they start at about US$7000.

it's a niche market to be sure, but it does allow charging 11kW BEVs (common in 230V-3-phase land) at double the  usual rate (or 6.6kW/7.4kW cars at triple the rate), or to share a single destination charger among more vehicles if for some reason installing multiple AC chargers at the location is not practical.

Sure, not relevant for a utility quad.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Hansi on December 09, 2021, 10:29:55 AM
These may not be road legal, but the next models might be. Why such low voltage on such relatively big battery packs? Minimum 1C, preferably 2C or higher charging option make EVs much more usable.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: wavelet on December 09, 2021, 01:09:59 PM
These may not be road legal, but the next models might be. Why such low voltage on such relatively big battery packs? Minimum 1C, preferably 2C or higher charging option make EVs much more usable.
Because these are (AFAICT) standard Zero drivetrains? Only difference is an optional monolith. Maybe different gear ratio.
The point is to re-use the Zero drivetrain as-is -- changing voltage essentially means re-doing the R&D, different components & wiring etc.
Unlikely that the R&D expense is worth it for just this product line -- I may be wrong, but I doubt this will sell in large numbers @ $25K-$30K.

When Zero finally up the voltage, it'll be to support CCS DC charging.
Title: Re: Zero-powered Polaris Offroad 4 Wheeled Utility Task Vehicle
Post by: Richard230 on December 09, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
These may not be road legal, but the next models might be. Why such low voltage on such relatively big battery packs? Minimum 1C, preferably 2C or higher charging option make EVs much more usable.
Because these are (AFAICT) standard Zero drivetrains? Only difference is an optional monolith. Maybe different gear ratio.
The point is to re-use the Zero drivetrain as-is -- changing voltage essentially means re-doing the R&D, different components & wiring etc.
Unlikely that the R&D expense is worth it for just this product line -- I may be wrong, but I doubt this will sell in large numbers @ $25K-$30K.

When Zero finally up the voltage, it'll be to support CCS DC charging.

I bet they sell well to many government agencies that are not concerned by high electric vehicle prices but are concerned about global warming and local pollution.  ;)