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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Fred on November 04, 2021, 10:22:05 PM
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Just got a slightly confusing email about the 2022 models. From what I can tell the SR/F (with 14.4kWh battery) is now called the SR and the "new" SR/F has a 15.6kWh battery. Am I missing something? That seems a particularly confusing move.
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Same, looks like the website has been updated.
The SR/F base comes with the 14.4+ the premium comes with the 15.6
Then the SR only has the 14.4+
Honestly they should have just dropped the SR/F name and done a base and premium SR
-Carl
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It looks like the SR has less power too. The 2022 SR/F has the same power as the existing 2020/2021 models.
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If I'm reading this right, you can pay $1800 for a software upgrade to close the power gap...
-Carl
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Ok looks like the other difference is the SR/F & SR/S have a 6kW (7kW if you pay for software) onboard while the SR has a 3kW (3.3 with software upgrade)
The software "unlocks" are an interesting strategy...
-Carl
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Oh thank GOD! The SR/S isn't available in red, so I can hold on to my savings for another year...
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Interesting.. the picture of the new SR shows a 75-10 looking motor with a 75-7 label, however the specs still say 75-10. Cant tell if they made a smaller motor using the new fin design or are limiting it in software.
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Since you can pay to unlock similar performance compared to the SRF I would say it’s the latter.
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In the tech specs both motors are listed as 75-10 but the amperage output of the controller is 750 for the SR and 900 for the SR/F. Therefore it looks, to me, like they're software limiting the power output and top speed of the controller.
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Hm, interesting... that would mean they could further restrict the model to comply with A2 licensing laws in Europe. (The original SR/F was too powerful to be allowed a restriction)
Cas :)
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The SME controller in the 3rd gen bikes does, as a friend of mine put it, "everything the SevCon does but... way better."
It has more features, options, and is easier to program. I suspect they're just starting to let it embrace its full potential in the bikes.
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As mentioned in an earlier thread, I'm now in the process of upgrading my 2020 SR/F with a ChargeTank and eMoto's double-J. I saw the Zero announcement this morning before heading to the dealer for the major expense / major surgery of this operation, and took a pause. I was concerned that there was the potential of my own personal Biketopia reaching fruition! That would be a DSR/F: a dual-sport SR/F. Where I live in Colorado, we got lotsa dirt. :P Seeing no DSR/F, my beloved baby is now in the Operating Room, undergoing the ChargeTank install. The Dub-J should arrive this weekend (thanks, Scott!), for my evening pleasure of installation sometime next week. I can't wait to see where this goes!
Zero is producing some amazing bikes, but I'd still love to see a DSR/F. Alas, it'll be a few years before I can part with the cash to own one, given what I just did to my piggy bank. :'(
- Fred
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One other thing about Zero migrating the old SR into new SR is the weight gain. The old SR was 414 lbs according to various website. Zero lists the new SR at 489 lbs. A 75 lb weight gain is a lot! Is that mainly from the charging system? I can't believe the charge tank for the old SR weighed 75 lbs.
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It's weighs 30kg more than an old SR, 20kg more than an SR with a charge tank. That's a significant amount but for that weight you do get wider tyres, more substantial suspension, and better brakes.
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You also get a natty battery case with more metal passive cooling on it too, and I expect the frame is considerably stiffer.
Cas :)
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Since the SR was always meant to be the sporty version, I'm OK with how they have upgraded it to the SR/F platform (whatever that is called). BUT, you no longer have a long-range proper light weight commuter option. The new SR weighs as much as the old one with the Battery tank. Is anyone else disappointed that they don't now offer the S with the old 14.4 pack? I would understand if they weren't making it anymore, but it's still used to build the DSR. An S won't make my current commute. Not that that is the reason I am not buying one, but as an example. This seems like the biggest oversight to me. And a DSR just isn't my style.
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They do make 14.4 non-R models, it's just they only sell them in Europe for some reason (they no longer list the 7.2 ones on the European sites but I believe they're still available). Perhaps you could get one imported if you wanted it that badly, as silly as it seems to have an American made bike shipped back over from Europe (I assume you're American).
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I have never felt the need for an R version of my S. Not only does the R designation increase the cost of insurance, but I don't need its extra performance. My S has plenty of power and acceleration for my usage. In fact, I have never needed to use full throttle on my rides. :)
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I ride almost exclusively in Street mode on the SR/F, which is what the new SR is clamped to. I would say most people wouldn't miss the extra power and torque if they're using as a commuter.
Cas :)
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I find that I use the extra power on electric bikes, but not on gas bikes. The only time I ever got close to WOT on the Multistrada was the dangerously short merge from Treasure Island to the Bay Bridge, but I crack open the throttle on the Zero SR whenever I want a little thrill. I agree that no one needs more power than the S has for commuting, but now that I have it, I don’t want to give it up. With gas bikes, I would have been just as happy with a 650cc version of the Multistrada if it had all the same comfort and features.
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WOT is the only way that I launch on a Zero when a red light goes to green. I agree with flynnstig82r that it was very rare for me to do this on an ICE bike.
Also, IMHO, it would have made more sense to do away with the SR model when it moved to the SR/F platform and instead make that the lowest tier SRF. I'm also less enthused about upgrading my SR since that will now mean it would be an almost 20% increase in weight. I think I can hold off a few more years and see what the options are then.
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I have never felt the need for an R version of my S. Not only does the R designation increase the cost of insurance, but I don't need its extra performance. My S has plenty of power and acceleration for my usage. In fact, I have never needed to use full throttle on my rides. :)
Perfect, then how do you feel about them not offering an S with the big pack?
I wouldn't import a bike. I'd call or email and see if I could get one built. Worst case I'd go through a dealer.
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WOT is the only way that I launch on a Zero when a red light goes to green. I agree with flynnstig82r that it was very rare for me to do this on an ICE bike.
Also, IMHO, it would have made more sense to do away with the SR model when it moved to the SR/F platform and instead make that the lowest tier SRF. I'm also less enthused about upgrading my SR since that will now mean it would be an almost 20% increase in weight. I think I can hold off a few more years and see what the options are then.
Agreed on the weight. They really nailed it with the S-platform’s combination of light weight and riding characteristics. I can’t help but think that moving the whole US lineup except the 7.2 kWh S and DS over to the 500 lbs FST-platform is a step in the wrong direction. It makes me expect the DSR/X to be significantly bigger and heavier than the DSR, which might just become a software-limited version of the former.
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I have never felt the need for an R version of my S. Not only does the R designation increase the cost of insurance, but I don't need its extra performance. My S has plenty of power and acceleration for my usage. In fact, I have never needed to use full throttle on my rides. :)
Perfect, then how do you feel about them not offering an S with the big pack?
I wouldn't import a bike. I'd call or email and see if I could get one built. Worst case I'd go through a dealer.
In my case I was able to order my S with a Power Tank that was installed at the factory as the bike was built. I figured that was a much better approach than having a dealer retrofit the PT after I had bought the bike. So far it has worked out perfectly.
I have no idea why Zero has decided to (apparently) force their U.S. customers to purchase the SR/F and SR/S models if they want to ride out of town on their bikes. I guess it is a marketing plan that they feel will both generate additional income and move their U.S. customers into a more sporty platform. Whereas they likely feel that the S works well in Europe where motorcycles are used more for commuting and are not seen as styling statements as much as they are here. ???
I agree weight remains an issue. The PT brought my Zero S weight from 400 pounds for the base model to 452 pounds with the PT battery pack. Plus, the weight is installed up high and forward, making the handling a little weird and increasing front tire wear noticeably. An F or S model with a PT installed likely would be a hassle to move around. It certainly would help if they had a way to slowly back up the bike under power like Energica has.
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I'm kinda with Richard here. Zero has not provided any incentive for me to replace my 2018 S. My circumstances are different and I valued faster charging over increased range since there are PLENTY of L2 stations around where I live. A year after I purchased the bike, I had the dealer install the 6kW Charge Tank (in 2018 it was a factory only option, in 2019 they made it dealer installable to ALL of their Gen2 S/DS/SR/DSR models). Plus, by making the Charge Tank a separate item, I was able to claim my Federal tax rebate for it in 2020!
The bike has been absolutely reliable and does EVERYTHING I need it to do. I bought it primarily as a commuter and for running quick errands. The Charge Tank made it possible to have extended local rides (and I took advantage of that during last year's lock down since there was little traffic and charge stations were WIDE open for use). My office even installed L2 stations in our parking lot so I rarely even charge it at home anymore. I'm thinking of upgrading the bike with the Hollywood Electrics sport touring fairing to replace the commuter screen I have on it now. That upgrade isn't cheap, but it IS a whole lot more inexpensive than replacing the bike with an equivalent or better model from anyone (including Zero).
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Richard, the new gen 3 bikes have the ability to reverse with a software purchase on their Cypher 3 network.
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Richard, the new gen 3 bikes have the ability to reverse with a software purchase on their Cypher 3 network.
I didn't know that. Very interesting. i assume to activate that feature will be an additional cost for the software download. ??? I wonder what the cost for the download will be? As I mentioned previously, KTM offers a factory firmware download that will allow their Duke 390 to be shifted up and down without using the clutch. A year ago I was told that the cost of that firmware was $300. (BTW, in India the bikes come standard with that feature included in the purchase price, but not in the U.S.)
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It's on their website under Cypher Store. It's a parking feature for them and it looks (small print in the picture) like it costs $195.