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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: TheRan on September 14, 2021, 07:20:07 PM
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Nothing too special, just the colour display and Cypher II from the FXE and FX and some new colours. Strange that they've left out the SR.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTzSVcEFLW4/
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I actually prefere the lcd display; keeping things simple.
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I actually prefere the lcd display; keeping things simple.
Me too. If everything I need to know can be clearly expressed in B/W, why do I need color??? I've heard complaints the new display does not include a clock, too.
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Nothing too special, just the colour display and Cypher II from the FXE and FX and some new colours. Strange that they've left out the SR.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTzSVcEFLW4/
I noticed the SR was left off and was curious about that too. IMO it overlaps too much with the SR/F / SR/S lineup, I wouldn't be surprised if the give it the axe for 2022.
I actually prefere the lcd display; keeping things simple.
Me too. If everything I need to know can be clearly expressed in B/W, why do I need color??? I've heard complaints the new display does not include a clock, too.
I've heard the same thing on the clock.. which is insane to me. After RPM and speed, the clock is the thing I glance at most on all of my motorcycles. I use it so often it would really affect my decision of buying a motorcycle. Its small, but its also something that is just standard on motorcycles anymore, I cant understand why they would choose to save money on that feature.
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It won't have been a decision to do with money - it's like 3 lines of code to get it on to the display - but probably a considered user interface decision. Not sure what their reasoning might be though. I look at the clock quite often too.
Cas :)
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Nothing too special, just the colour display and Cypher II from the FXE and FX and some new colours. Strange that they've left out the SR.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTzSVcEFLW4/
This smells like the updated SR that Motorcycle.com had previously reported. Maybe SR gets a bigger revamp. And we may get the DSR/X too. Hopefully these will be more than just cosmetic updates.
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The SR is in an odd position as I believe it's the least popular model of the lineup, having been sort of supplanted by the SR/F and SR/S. People are reporting Zero is not axing it, but I really wouldn't be surprised if they did.
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It won't have been a decision to do with money - it's like 3 lines of code to get it on to the display - but probably a considered user interface decision. Not sure what their reasoning might be though. I look at the clock quite often too.
Cas :)
I agree if its just code, but I read that the previous dash had a small internal battery to keep the real time clock alive, whereas the new one doesn't have an internal battery. Not sure how true that is, but it would make sense. Zero always orders off the shelf hardware, and maybe this display ticked all the requirements for them except for that? Again, just speculation.
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It won't have been a decision to do with money - it's like 3 lines of code to get it on to the display - but probably a considered user interface decision. Not sure what their reasoning might be though. I look at the clock quite often too.
Cas :)
I agree if its just code, but I read that the previous dash had a small internal battery to keep the real time clock alive, whereas the new one doesn't have an internal battery. Not sure how true that is, but it would make sense. Zero always orders off the shelf hardware, and maybe this display ticked all the requirements for them except for that? Again, just speculation.
Scuttlebut says that they originally had a battery and clock, but they discovered the battery was subpar and not easy to replace after ordering a large number, and ran out of time to get that fixed.
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What an embuggerance... that'll have some minor but irritating implications for log date/time stamps.
Cas :)
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The SR is in an odd position as I believe it's the least popular model of the lineup, having been sort of supplanted by the SR/F and SR/S. People are reporting Zero is not axing it, but I really wouldn't be surprised if they did.
See: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/zero-dsr-x-and-redesigned-sr-tabbed-for-2022-model-year.html
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What an embuggerance... that'll have some minor but irritating implications for log date/time stamps.
Cas :)
Thankfully the dash time is only seen by the owner, the mbb and bms all have their own clocks which are totally separate :)
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Nothing too special, just the colour display and Cypher II from the FXE and FX and some new colours. Strange that they've left out the SR.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTzSVcEFLW4/
I noticed the SR was left off and was curious about that too. IMO it overlaps too much with the SR/F / SR/S lineup, I wouldn't be surprised if the give it the axe for 2022.
I actually prefere the lcd display; keeping things simple.
Me too. If everything I need to know can be clearly expressed in B/W, why do I need color??? I've heard complaints the new display does not include a clock, too.
I've heard the same thing on the clock.. which is insane to me. After RPM and speed, the clock is the thing I glance at most on all of my motorcycles. I use it so often it would really affect my decision of buying a motorcycle. Its small, but its also something that is just standard on motorcycles anymore, I cant understand why they would choose to save money on that feature.
I found the clock on my LCD display to be a little too small for me to read while riding. So what I did was to order a cheap 1.5 inch diameter round battery-powered analog clock from Amazon (the have lots of them in all different colors). I Velcroed the clock to the lower section of my right rear view mirror, the section that only shows your shoulder while riding. The clock battery will last about a year. To replace it I can pull the clock off of the Velcro and replace the battery (replacing the battery is not an easy task, BTW). While the clock is not claimed to be waterproof, it has been exposed to rain without any issues. It uses a really cheap button battery.
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The SR is in an odd position as I believe it's the least popular model of the lineup, having been sort of supplanted by the SR/F and SR/S. People are reporting Zero is not axing it, but I really wouldn't be surprised if they did.
See: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/zero-dsr-x-and-redesigned-sr-tabbed-for-2022-model-year.html
I certainly hope they do something cool. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I have the new display installed on my 2020 DSR. I like it. The lack of clock is a bummer, I just added it to my app instead. It looks great, even in sun and is well laid out. I'd love a reason to upgrade to the DSR/X, but if it isn't a bigger battery or more power, or something like that, I'll stay with my DSR.
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I have the new display installed on my 2020 DSR. I like it. The lack of clock is a bummer, I just added it to my app instead. It looks great, even in sun and is well laid out. I'd love a reason to upgrade to the DSR/X, but if it isn't a bigger battery or more power, or something like that, I'll stay with my DSR.
Could / are you allowed to share a picture?
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I have it posted on zmog (facebook).
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My clock gets off by about 40 minutes a year. It's a bit annoying.
-Crissa
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I have it posted on zmog (facebook).
I saw the video; nice! They made it plug and play by the looks of it
My clock gets off by about 40 minutes a year. It's a bit annoying.
I have my zero for 11 months now; my clock is still correct to the minute or 2. (when i set it; it was also correct to the minute or 2; but thats because of me :P)
I can imagine the RTC will degrade over time;
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Clocks are usually as bad as the day they were made until they start failing. Yours probably just has a better quartz oscillator.
-Crissa
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I've had to adjust mine 2 or 3 times now in about 2 years of ownership, the most recent being yesterday when it was ahead by about 5 minutes.
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I've had to adjust mine 2 or 3 times now in about 2 years of ownership, the most recent being yesterday when it was ahead by about 5 minutes.
My Zero display clock gains about two minutes a month. The cheap battery-powered analog clock that I stuck to my mirror is much more accurate than that. I never have to correct the time between the yearly time shifts.
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Saw the new bikes on the Zero websites
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I don't know... that TFT display looks like something just slapped on to the bike. The old instrument panel looks far more integrated...
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I guess time will tell how water and sun resistant it is.
I hope people don't think it's a left behind cell phone and try to yank it off.
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The TFT is what the rest of the industry has been moving to for the last decade.
I don't know why anyone thinks it"s weird or special. And they' e had them on their SR line for the last two years, so they know how they're affected by sun already.
-Crissa
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I've never noticed one that wasn't in a "housing" and just sticking out there.
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I've never noticed one that wasn't in a "housing" and just sticking out there.
Probably got the idea from Tesla. Whoever designed the interior of those cars needs to be booted OUT of the automobile industry for the rest of his or her life. DUMBEST dashboard design I've EVER seen in what is supposed to be a premium automobile.
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I've never noticed one that wasn't in a "housing" and just sticking out there.
How is it not in a housing?
-Crissa
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like this from Triumph
https://cdni.autocarindia.com/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http:%2f%2fcdni.autocarindia.com%2fExtraImages%2f20171107031133_Triumph-Tiger-1200-dash.jpg&h=578&w=872&c=1
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That's how the Triumph has sketchy looking extra plastic, not how the Zero isn't in a housing.
-Crissa
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Various KTMs just have the TFT panel out there in the breeze.
Cas :)
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Various KTMs just have the TFT panel out there in the breeze.
Cas :)
Like my KTM 390 Duke - which have not have the best reliability reputation in the past. But perhaps being out in the open like that and subject to single-cylinder ICE vibrations is a little tough on the device. ???
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Various KTMs just have the TFT panel out there in the breeze.
ICE vehicles may be affected by poor aerodynamics just like EVs... but poor aerodynamics are a bigger concern for EVs. If the flat TFT is behind a windshield all is well and good. But when it is NOT behind a windscreen (like on the naked S, DS and DSR) it will have an effect and not a good one either. Motorcycles are not the most aerodynamic vehicles on the road to begin with, but every little bit helps.
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The smaller the bulb of aerodeflection, the better you aero is at middle speed is anyhow. And if you want to smooth it out, you can opt for the flyscreen or more. I have a commuter screen and it's fine at the speeds I go at. Not having extra stuff to break while I learned to ride is handy, too.
-Crissa
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Since I'm not familiar with TFT screens I have to ask: Are they "Glove Friendly" or do they require you wear a special "touch screen compliant" glove? Because I NEVER ride without a pair of gloves...
My Garmin GPS screen works on pressure, so it works with whatever glove I happen to be wearing. My phone, on the other hand, requires that I either take my glove off, or that I'm wearing a glove that works with touch screens.
Also, if the phone screen gets wet (like I'm caught in the rain) it doesn't work at all until I can dry it off again as the water affects the electric field the screen looks for when you touch it.
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Probably depends on the screen, but Zero's dash is not a touch screen.
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Touch screens on bikes is really just asking for accidents isn't it... ISTR Honda disables theirs when the Africa Twin starts moving.
Cas :)
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The new TFT isn't touch screen as noted above. The buttons are nice on the sides. I have no problem using them with gloves on. I'd say at least mostly glove friendly. I like it. I miss the clock and ETA displayed while the key is off. I wish it had additional functions over the old screen. I do however love the way it looks, it has a nice layout as well. Probably not worth 270 bucks, but I'd do it again, just because it makes me happy.
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The new TFT isn't touch screen as noted above. The buttons are nice on the sides. I have no problem using them with gloves on. I'd say at least mostly glove friendly. I like it. I miss the clock and ETA displayed while the key is off. I wish it had additional functions over the old screen. I do however love the way it looks, it has a nice layout as well. Probably not worth 270 bucks, but I'd do it again, just because it makes me happy.
You've made me think of a question, does the screen show anything while charging? With the old LCD it's okay because you can still see it without the backlight on but I don't think I'd want the new screen all lit up when the bike's charging outside my house at night.
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The TFT screen on my little KTM is about 6.5" inches across. So they must be getting pretty cheap. It is easy to select a number of functions using backlit buttons on the left handlebar. Yesterday I replaced my battery and naturally the clock time needed to be updated. That was easy to do once I read the owner's manual and discovered the secret. But the other thing I discovered was that the program also contained a date, which I hadn't messed with since I bought the bike in April of last year. The date set by the factory was March 3, 2018. ??? Once I reset the date correctly, a big yellow Service warning came up on the display. Since having the selling dealer perform the 600-miles servicing and getting hit with a $650 bill, I have decided to perform my own servicing from now on. So I adjusted the date back a couple of years and the Service warning vanished. ;D Not at all like my BMW that will bug you with a service warning until you take it into your dealer for the factory-approved servicing - unless you reset the service date with a GS-911 device. :(
Anyway, I mention this because TFT displays are becoming all the rage lately and having buttons (the backlit feature is really handy at night) on the left handlebar are a lot better than if some company comes up with a touch screen. While that might work in a car, it would not be safe on a motorcycle.
Personally, I think color TFT screens are a big improvement in readability compared with LCD screens. Provided that the programmers don't get carried away with complicated layers of information that must be accessed by diving into the different layers. I think most riders don't need to be overwhelmed with too much information regarding their bike shown on the display, especially while they are riding.
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The skeumorphic graphics and cluttered messes in Honda, Aprilia and Energica designs are grim beyond belief. BMW have got it worked out precisely, and KTM are also on the ball.
These screens cost very little - in the tens of dollars range including capacitative touch for 7" - and they can be rapidly developed and customised. Creating custom LCD (or worse, mechanical!) dashes for every model or even several models is orders of magnitude more expensive than "use this generic TFT panel and write a bit of software". (Relateldy, had a fair bit of fun earlier this year making an embedded 7" touch display for seismic vessel bridge rooms, it's quite similar in many ways to my other side gig making computer games)
Cas :)
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The new TFT isn't touch screen as noted above. The buttons are nice on the sides. I have no problem using them with gloves on. I'd say at least mostly glove friendly. I like it. I miss the clock and ETA displayed while the key is off. I wish it had additional functions over the old screen. I do however love the way it looks, it has a nice layout as well. Probably not worth 270 bucks, but I'd do it again, just because it makes me happy.
You've made me think of a question, does the screen show anything while charging? With the old LCD it's okay because you can still see it without the backlight on but I don't think I'd want the new screen all lit up when the bike's charging outside my house at night.
If it's anything like the SR/F I have... yes, it's on while charging, though it is "dimmed" after a while I think. The little blue LED on the official Zero charging cable though is about 100x brighter than the whole TFT and illuminates the entire neighbourhood when it flashes :S Gonna have to tape over it.
Cas :)
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Good information. Thanks, all. BUT Zero really has to work on making it look like it BELONGS there and not something they just slapped on. It looks fine on the Gen3 bikes but like an afterthought on the Gen2 bikes (probably because they ARE).
That old B/W LED screen on my 2018 "S" tells me pretty much everything I need to know. State of charge, range to empty, power/regen info, current speed and the time (which is somewhere in the ballpark; frankly I don't mind it being fast... makes it harder to be late anywhere). I have the app open on the handlebars to monitor battery, BMS and motor temperature (as well as a far more accurate clock).
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The new TFT isn't touch screen as noted above. The buttons are nice on the sides. I have no problem using them with gloves on. I'd say at least mostly glove friendly. I like it. I miss the clock and ETA displayed while the key is off. I wish it had additional functions over the old screen. I do however love the way it looks, it has a nice layout as well. Probably not worth 270 bucks, but I'd do it again, just because it makes me happy.
You've made me think of a question, does the screen show anything while charging? With the old LCD it's okay because you can still see it without the backlight on but I don't think I'd want the new screen all lit up when the bike's charging outside my house at night.
It does have a charging light that flashes. So that is good. It doesn't show the time remaining or anything else though.