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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: valnar on July 01, 2021, 07:34:55 PM
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Announced on the Zero web site.
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Looks like a street tire on the back...
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My guess is the "E" is either for "energy" or "economy"... I wonder if they plan on adding battery capacity, or cutting some corners and lowering it for a more economical version.
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They already kinda have that with the single brick FX. I'd like the E to stand for Enduro and, in fact, beef the thing up.
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They already kinda have that with the single brick FX. I'd like the E to stand for Enduro and, in fact, beef the thing up.
Enduro...yeah, maybe "E" stands for "belt less likely to break over minor speed bump".
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We don't know any specifics....maybe E is for "extended" -- extended range??
We get to play with one in person on July 13
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Appears to have a single round headlight, as a proper motorcycle should. The current FX headlights are not the best.
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Appears to have a single round headlight, as a proper motorcycle should. The current FX headlights are not the best.
Nonsense! They're fender-melting good!
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I'm going to have to second MVetter here. A single round headlight just seem old and our of place in the future we live in.
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I actually wasn't kidding. It's not uncommon for the FX bulbs to treat the sun as a magnifying glass and burn/melt the fender. There'll be little scorch marks below each headlight.
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We got the SRF. We all thought the F stood for fairing. Nope no fairing, it's a bigger street fighter look. OK.
Then we get the SRS. "Look it's the same bike but with fairings".
I guessed the FXE would be extra range or express charging to go with the E months ago.
I sure hope it doesn't turn out to be a damn Grom sized toy.
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What I need on my FXS ?
- more torque
- better front fender (had to fix it to avoid water projection)
- more powerfull lights
- some more autonomy
- more robust back fender
- better plastics (after 4 years they aged a bit)
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9kWh battery, round headlight, traction control. Those 3 things would make me sell my 2020 model.
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I'd say yes a 9-10kWh battery, sameish weight, with the 3 kw charger stuffed in would make the X bikes much more appealing to both city and now suburb riders and the extra range for off road FX guys. Throw in the SR motor and controller and now you're talking.
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I'd say yes a 9-10kWh battery, sameish weight, with the 3 kw charger stuffed in would make the X bikes much more appealing to both city and now suburb riders and the extra range for off road FX guys. Throw in the SR motor and controller and now you're talking.
Ah yes, I forgot a better charger on my list. Yeah, the current 700W would be even worse with a larger battery.
I would almost (almost!) upgrade for traction control alone, if it was smart enough to prevent spin up from simply going over a pothole. I was one of the unfortunates to had a belt break at 500 miles so now I'm paranoid about it.
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When and where are you testing out the FXE tomorrow? Where's the best place for us to look for info as it is revealed?
We don't know any specifics....maybe E is for "extended" -- extended range??
We get to play with one in person on July 13
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When and where are you testing out the FXE tomorrow? Where's the best place for us to look for info as it is revealed?
AF1 Racing is a highly respected dealer in Texas, so they get early access to goodies. I'd stay tuned to Zero's website for the Big Reveal.
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So it's an FXS with LED lights, different body work, the Cypher II system, and the same dash as the SRF/S.
And that's all.
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Yep, you beat me to it. It's a gussied up FXS. No important updates like better charger, battery, traction, etc.
That said, it IS very nice, and I'd easily buy one over an FXS. I could do without the 7.2 billboard on it.
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A little disappointing BUT (to my eyes) it is a HELL of a lot better looking than the previous FX line. Those things always looked "insect-like" to me. I guess, in order to keep the weight down, they decided NOT to give it L2 charging. Mores the pity. Looks like the street version was released first but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a more dirt-oriented one coming out shortly.
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I find it hard to believe after all this time, there isn't a vendor out there who can supply them a better integrated charger above 650W. A little thing like that would go a long way. I think the FX line is the slowest charging electric motorcycle out there, when comparing time-to-charge and battery size.
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So it's an FXS with LED lights, different body work, the Cypher II system, and the same dash as the SRF/S.
And that's all.
It’s not the same dash as the SRF and SRS, different shape, different layout and it also has buttons on the front. They also speak of a “glued” tft, I think they mean optically bonded with that. That is a better way to fix condensation in the dash then on the SRS and SRF.
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Not sure if I'm missing something or if this is a mistake. If you expand to full specs, it lists MSRP as $11295, but then right below that under Build and Price, it says starting MSRP is $11795.
Also, it appears that the FXS is now only available as modular and a 7.2 FXS costs more than a 7.2 FXE. There's not enough new to entice me to trade in my FXS, but given the option between a new FXS and a new FXE, I'd definitely go for the FXE.
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Motorcycle.com reviews the 2022 Zero FXE: https://www.motorcycle.com/features/2022-zero-fxe-review-first-ride.html
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"The bike of tomorrow" looks pretty retro to me. The body work and round headlight make it look like it just drove out of the 90s or something. I could be in the minority here, but I don't like this style. I'll stick with my more futuristic looking FXS. The one thing that does invoke a future feeling is the new dash, but since it is not tied to any new tech, like cypher iii, I'm unimpressed.
The one other change that might have an impact is the new front fender. I'm undecided if that fixed fender is a plus or minus.
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I do like the style changes. I like my 2020 FXS, but not enough to change.
If that fender fixes the sunlight burning issue on the front fender, it's worth it. I would like to see an independent review comparing the lumen output of both lights though.
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The new bike isn't attracting me, set apart from the new display. If it would be possible, I would directly want to swap mine of my FXS2020 with this new one but I doubt this display will be available as an accessoire for existing FXS models.
Personally I don't like the looks of the new head light, the make the motorcycle a little common, to common. On the other hand these are finally led lights which is more in line with the electric motorcycles message, maybe Zero is changing over to led throw out there range, would again an interesting upgrade possibility if provided.
Overal the good news for me is that de FX platform is still alive and been developed without mayor changes, so add least we can be sure of further support and maybe upgrade possibilities for the existing bikes
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The new headlight will fix the fender burn issue.
That problem was the old lenses acting like magnifying glasses focusing the sunlight to a small point.
I think the FXE needs a small sort of cafe racer style fairing /wind screen. Nothing good comes from that cell phone dash being in the wind stream and rain with compounded speed force.
I guess they feel a constant stream of sandy oily rain spray from the front tire is ok for the bike too.
Sorry but no excuse for not dropping at least 1 of the 3kw J plug chargers where the "tank" is. It would really open up the bike to more uses without increasing weight much at all.
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I wonder how much weight was saved by deleting the front fender? ::) That is going to make the front of the bike a real mess after riding on a wet and dirty roadway.
The Motorcycle.com review mentioned L2 charging, but didn't provide any details. ???
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It is nice but except for some visual changes I don't see any mechanical improvement over the fxs - same specs. They still have the front fender issue - i had to adapt a Zero S fender closer to the wheel to avoid being soaked while riding on wet roads.
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Disappointed that Zero didn't give the FXE onboard level 2 charging ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQka_Jb5qc4
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I wonder how much weight was saved by deleting the front fender? ::) That is going to make the front of the bike a real mess after riding on a wet and dirty roadway.
The Motorcycle.com review mentioned L2 charging, but didn't provide any details. ???
It's 2kg heavier and the top speed is 3mph lower at 82mph (the FXS says 82mph near the top of the specs but 85mph further down).
I prefer the new styling, has a hint of Husky to it and looks more modern. As for the dash I'm not impressed, it doesn't look like it shows any additional information and will probably be harder to see in sunlight.
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It is nice but except for some visual changes I don't see any mechanical improvement over the fxs - same specs. They still have the front fender issue - i had to adapt a Zero S fender closer to the wheel to avoid being soaked while riding on wet roads.
Zero's managing board is nothing if not cheap. They never make an expensive change unless they feel they really need to. I wonder how they were talked into funding the development and production of the SR/F and SR/S? ;)
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The new bike isn't attracting me, set apart from the new display. If it would be possible, I would directly want to swap mine of my FXS2020 with this new one but I doubt this display will be available as an accessoire for existing FXS models.
I just noticed that Zero's website shows the FX and FXS with the updated display (and a funky new front piece). So, maybe they WILL offer it as an upgrade!
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I just noticed that Zero's website shows the FX and FXS with the updated display (and a funky new front piece). So, maybe they WILL offer it as an upgrade!
Interesting. Not all the pics and videos are updated with the new model, but the 360 and main image clearly show it.
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I'm disappointed ! Thought there would be at least a 10% increase in range and some other improvements. The round headlight is lame unless it looks different lit up. Can't justify the price !
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Can't justify the price !
What electric bike can you get with better stats at that price?
-Crissa
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It's a beautiful bike, priced OK considering the difficulties like part shortages.
If one already has an FX or FXS it's hard to justify upgrading. The range, performance and features have not changed significantly in nearly 5 years -- an eternity.
Why go to a color LCD if it's going to show the same things?
I wish they'd throw us a bone with at least one meaningful update, such as kWh increase, faster charging, perfectly smooth integration for throttle/brake/regen, TC, lower mass, keyless operation, reverse gear, parking brake, heated grips, colorful plastics, belt guard, water resistance, fancy display graphics, USB port, Android Auto/Air Play integration, helmet lock, etc. There's no shortage of ideas, as we have expressed our wish list several times.
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It's a beautiful bike, priced OK considering the difficulties like part shortages.
If one already has an FX or FXS it's hard to justify upgrading. The range, performance and features have not changed significantly in nearly 5 years -- an eternity.
Why go to a color LCD if it's going to show the same things?
I wish they'd throw us a bone with at least one meaningful update, such as kWh increase, faster charging, perfectly smooth integration for throttle/brake/regen, TC, lower mass, keyless operation, reverse gear, parking brake, heated grips, colorful plastics, belt guard, water resistance, fancy display graphics, USB port, Android Auto/Air Play integration, helmet lock, etc. There's no shortage of ideas, as we have expressed our wish list several times.
Perhaps, with most Zero employees working from home during the past year and not being able to collaborate in person at the factory, that may have had something to do with the lack of power train improvements. Likely the TFT was plucked off of a supplier's shelf and the paint job could be accomplished by a consultant like HUGE in San Francisco, with little involvement by the Zero engineers. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the Cyber II operating system was developed by an independent consultant and not by Zero employees. Maybe there will be a substantial improvement in the FXE platform a few years in the future once things get back to normal - whenever that might be. ::)
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Perhaps, with most Zero employees working from home during the past year and not being able to collaborate in person at the factory, that may have had something to do with the lack of power train improvements.
True, except that it hasn't changed much since 2016 except for battery sizes. I'm fairly certain Zero realized that OBC was a problem years, among a few other things.
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In the past decade the Bay Area has dropped from the flagship region for premium motorcycles to something like #20, behind Greece and the rest of Europe. The blue collar has been priced out, ratty clubhouses have been sold, and those left have moved away from street riding because of lawlessness. This is visible in many of the new owners and builders of electric motorcycles being from flourishing regions like the Netherlands.
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Perhaps, with most Zero employees working from home during the past year and not being able to collaborate in person at the factory, that may have had something to do with the lack of power train improvements.
True, except that it hasn't changed much since 2016 except for battery sizes. I'm fairly certain Zero realized that OBC was a problem years, among a few other things.
True. For sure there is not Moore's law improvement.
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In the past decade the Bay Area has dropped from the flagship region for premium motorcycles to something like #20, behind Greece and the rest of Europe. The blue collar has been priced out, ratty clubhouses have been sold, and those left have moved away from street riding because of lawlessness. This is visible in many of the new owners and builders of electric motorcycles being from flourishing regions like the Netherlands.
Is that why none of those produce as many?
Until it's a product we can buy, it doesn't matter.
Not that it isn't a problem that NIMBYs are destroying the state economy by slow degrees.
-Crissa
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I think it looks great. I read somewhere that it had a 3.5hour charger option but in that video it's not on the bike apparently. That would be the only reason for me to upgrade from my FXS, I can't believe they did not do that.
To the people breaking belts over speedbumps, I have no idea how you do that. I JUMP mine over speedbumps almost every time I ride and it's still on the original belt.
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They just talking about when you add one of the Quiq external chargers chargers, same as the FX/S. I also regularly jump my bike and take it over rough terrain and have yet to snap a belt.
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Perhaps, with most Zero employees working from home during the past year and not being able to collaborate in person at the factory, that may have had something to do with the lack of power train improvements.
True, except that it hasn't changed much since 2016 except for battery sizes. I'm fairly certain Zero realized that OBC was a problem years, among a few other things.
I'm holding out hope for the actual 22MY launch later this year. If the trademark discoveries hold true, we might see a DSR/X announced, and potentially more. I'm sure we'll see an improved FX within the next five years, probably using some of the tech from the SRF in an FX like frame.
Seems to me like they're going to trickle that tech down their line. I think that's a sound strategy to get the most out of their investment. Batteries are a different beast, they're at the mercy of Farasis to provide new cells that are more energy dense in the same form factor. There's been some announcements there too this year, so maybe we'll see that soon.
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Here is a link to a long and relatively objective review of the FXE by Revzilla: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2022-zero-fxe-first-ride-motorcycle-review
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Perhaps, with most Zero employees working from home during the past year and not being able to collaborate in person at the factory, that may have had something to do with the lack of power train improvements.
True, except that it hasn't changed much since 2016 except for battery sizes. I'm fairly certain Zero realized that OBC was a problem years, among a few other things.
I'm holding out hope for the actual 22MY launch later this year. If the trademark discoveries hold true, we might see a DSR/X announced, and potentially more. I'm sure we'll see an improved FX within the next five years, probably using some of the tech from the SRF in an FX like frame.
Seems to me like they're going to trickle that tech down their line. I think that's a sound strategy to get the most out of their investment. Batteries are a different beast, they're at the mercy of Farasis to provide new cells that are more energy dense in the same form factor. There's been some announcements there too this year, so maybe we'll see that soon.
Related article here: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/zero-dsr-x-and-redesigned-sr-tabbed-for-2022-model-year.html?fbclid=IwAR319B74aS4yAMnpaIiwomWv5bitiK9qGR-YmRRs8Ui1eQnqiT3iDnaT8CY
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Can't justify the price !
What electric bike can you get with better stats at that price?
-Crissa
I'm not sure, but I put a deposit down and should have it very soon !!
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Can't justify the price !
What electric bike can you get with better stats at that price?
I'm not sure, but I put a deposit down and should have it very soon !!
Which one is that?
-Crissa
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Sorry for not clarifying, but thought you might notice the 2022 FXE in my signature.
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(You can turn off signature display in your user settings - so not everyone will see them)
Cas :)
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I figured that since you'd said the Zero was too expensive you must have meant some other competitor you were waiting on delivery of.
-Crissa
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The new FXE is in my garage now next to the gas guzzlers and has 10 miles on it. It was cold with rain, so I pulled off the little side covers to get to the seat bolts to remove it and look around.
I was unable to pair my Samsung phone with the Zero app to the bike, just like at the dealer last Wednesday! I will do some research and try again once the bike is inside the house for Winter, which will be soon.
The bike did NOT come with an owner's manual, but I found it online, so that is a good thing. No tool kit either! There is a space under the seat for some small items.
I will be looking to add BarkBusters, tank bag and my extra mount for Garmin XT soon.
According to the website, the luggage rack for it is the same as the FX and FXS but seems like some butchering of those side plates will be necessary. I found one in stock online and will try to contact them for some helpful information next week.
If anyone has any helpful hints about what I'm trying to do to this bike, I will really appreciate it! Thanks in advance! I will be off the grid for a few days tho..
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My '16 FX came with a USB flash drive with the manual. Maybe they've discontinued that?
The Zero accessory bark busters (black Cycras) have been great and are mainly for wind protection since I don't get it Dirty.
The rack did require cutting a small arc out of the left rear panel. In retrospect, I should have done a little cleaner job.
I use the Givi E340 Vision Monolock Top Case (Matte), which is sized perfectly.
I'd recommend the Koso Apollo heated grips, for which I wrote an installation article somewhere on here. They're slightly pricey, but so perfectly integrated and transformative on cooler days.
My seat won't come off without wrenching. Have they changed that too?
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My 2014S came with the owner's manual loaded on a flash drive, too. But not my 2018S. I had to download that document from Zero's website. (Paper and flash drives do cost money and cut into profits. ::) )
I might add that my 2020 KTM 390 Duke didn't come with an owner's manual, either. My dealer claimed that it might take a year before one was published for the bike. He was right. While I was able to find a 2019 manual on-line, it took a year before the 2020 manual was available to be downloaded electronically - not that anything changed much between the two years. No doubt if you were to ask the company about the lack of owner's manual, they would blame COVID, supply problems, or something similar. :(
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According to the website, the luggage rack for it is the same as the FX and FXS but seems like some butchering of those side plates will be necessary. I found one in stock online and will try to contact them for some helpful information next week.
If anyone has any helpful hints about what I'm trying to do to this bike, I will really appreciate it! Thanks in advance! I will be off the grid for a few days tho..
The FX/FXS rack typically comes with the plastic side pieces already cut out for the rack. And you can order the color matched to your bike. However, for the FXE, you should probably contact AF1 or another larger dealer and ask if that is available for the FXE.
If you need to modify your existing panels, you should probably use a hole saw. Probably 1" would be a correct size.
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Thanks for the replies! I'm sure I will have more questions soon
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The rack is not available for the FXE yet, and the Quick Charger is out of stock also! The rack for the FX and FXS is now NA and obsolete. A new one is supposedly being designed :(
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The bike is in the house now for Winter, so I decided to take the left cover off to look around. Two different size allen wrenches and a phillips head screwdriver required to remove 6 fasteners, then the cover can be removed. ???
I installed the BarkBuster Warm Hands https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/barkbusters-blizzard-universal-handguards?sku_id=970681 (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/barkbusters-blizzard-universal-handguards?sku_id=970681). They fit good ! If I decide to get the Barkbuster rails, I can still use these
I also put the Wunderlich Handlebar Bag on from my old R1200GS https://www.wunderlichamerica.com/wunderlich-handlebar-media-bag-bmw-motorcycle.html (https://www.wunderlichamerica.com/wunderlich-handlebar-media-bag-bmw-motorcycle.html) Great product !! For anyone that want to look at their stuff. It's located in Henderson, NC. I visited this past Summer when riding in the Smokies.
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Here is a video of the handlebar bags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SahluknIcGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SahluknIcGU)
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Ok, so I finally got my phone (android) paired to the bike today and installed a BagMan tailbag that I already had. FYI a 7 mm socket is needed to remove the side plates to access the 13 mm seat bolts.
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I'd recommend the Koso Apollo heated grips, for which I wrote an installation article somewhere on here. They're slightly pricey, but so perfectly integrated and transformative on cooler days.
Thanks for that info. I'll try to find your installation article. Did you install the pricey Zero 10-05740 Accessory wire harness?
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Any recommendations for a tank bag ?
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Hi,
I'm now an owner of a 2022 Zero FXE. Saw some complaints here about system failures, sorry to hear about those.
FYI, I did order the FXS rack as they said it will fit the FXE (the catalog said was good for FXE).
Anyway it does go on, but only with 1 bolt/mount on each side. Also the little red aluminum cover plates dont go back on. I think it will work with just one bolt on each side. Will need to machine to get them to fit with rack in place.
Best,
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Welcome aboard TRex, and thanks for the information on the rack. :)
Are you planning on a tank bag and/or tail bag? I have installed both but have not ridden with them yet.
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The tank bag I installed https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084B9PSGV?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084B9PSGV?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)
Tail/seat bag https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Seat-Bag-Tail-Waterproof/dp/B07WCVQXT6/ref=sr_1_8?crid=1CMKLQ84UWQNB&keywords=motorcycle+tail+bag&qid=1640751975&sprefix=motorcycle+tail+bag%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Seat-Bag-Tail-Waterproof/dp/B07WCVQXT6/ref=sr_1_8?crid=1CMKLQ84UWQNB&keywords=motorcycle+tail+bag&qid=1640751975&sprefix=motorcycle+tail+bag%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-8)
Have not ridden the bike and won't for several months, but both items fit well and when I get the rear rack, I can slide the rear bag back
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The FXE Luggage Rack is now available to order thru your dealer.
Part # is 10-08343 Zero FXE Top Box Rack Kit, rack only @ $125 retail ! I have one on the way
For the rack and pizza box combo, The PN is 10-08344. I did not request a price.
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I finally spent a little time on the FXE rack.
The rack is at:
https://www.filipacchi.com/products/zero-fx-top-box-rack-kit
(as well as other places, with part number mentioned above).
I finally got some time to get it on there and add my own finely-fabricated custom platform to strap my computer bag on the rack. Also, mounted a helmet lock (from revzilla).
Attached a pic.